Are there really fans that would rather still have Garrett?

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Of those 500 coaches, how many of them inherited an already talented team and got to remain head coach for 10 years despite constantly underachieving?

He doesn’t get credit for having an above average regular season record. Barry Switzer did that. Wade Phillips did that.

2 playoff wins in 10 years with two franchise quarterbacks and several pro bowlers on both sides of the ball is pathetic.
You are really, really struggling with the word “objectively”. Better check to see that your elementary school diploma has the right name on it.
 

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I always looked at the Garrett era as the best of the rest, comparing it to Gailey, Campo, Parcells and Phillips.

It was still frustrating and disappointing and an extension of the mediocre era since the 90’s dynasty.

But when you compare to his recent predecessors it actually isn’t as bad as some would present. He won more division titles and playoff games than the previous 4 HC’s over a decade combined.

We came closer to finally breaking thru to a championship appearance 3 times which is twice more than the previous 4 HC’s. If we break thru in any of those then it’s probably a different mindset despite Garrett’s obvious game mgmt struggles at times and his inexperience.

No doubt it was time to move on. But I think pending how the Cowboys fare moving forward Garretts record which BTW in last 4 years only Belichick won more games, will be held in a higher esteem under the circumstances than most can now.

Most importantly , I think this era along with Garrett’s stint is more reflective on our ownership and dysfunctional organization as no one is having anymore success with this franchise.Time will tell if current HC can finally go where no HC has in the last 2+ decades.
 

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Yeah because the 2019 GB roster was identical to the 2018 one.

They added Zadarius Smith, Preston Smith, Adrian Amos and Darnell Savage in the off-season and improved their defense tremendously.

Go troll somewhere else.

what point are you even trying to make? McCarthy is a 6 win coach unless his team is loaded with talent? Aaron Rodgers, Davante Adams, Aaron Jones, 3 pro bowl lineman, and the 12th ranked pass D aren’t enough to break .500?

it’s not trolling when it’s statistical fact. He’s your coach because he was fired for failing with a playoff caliber team worse than Garrett did. He even said he planned to coach in 2019 but no one called.
 

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I always looked at the Garrett era as the best of the rest, comparing it to Gailey, Campo, Parcells and Phillips.

It was still frustrating and disappointing and an extension of the mediocre era since the 90’s dynasty.

But when you compare to his recent predecessors it actually isn’t as bad as some would present. He won more division titles and playoff games than the previous 4 HC’s over a decade combined.
Being the best turd in a punch bowl isn't much of a consolation when the standard is winning the super bowl.
 

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You are really, really struggling with the word “objectively”. Better check to see that your elementary school diploma has the right name on it.
And you are really struggling to come up with an actual counter point to my posts. A lot easier to just call people mouth breathers and pretend they don't understand what objectively means :laugh:
 

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Well since he hasn't had time to coach even ONE game, he hasn't had a chance to "overshadow" anybody yet. But I'll tell ya what, I'd place my bets on McCarthy ANY day compared to Garrett.
As for "a handful of aged DL, two kickers, the misfit MIA Smith and" ??? You can't replace a whole team in just one off season, let alone before the draft no less!

And as for "NFCCG appearance, win and a sb appearance" plus a SB WIN, MM has been there/done that already.
Garrett has never even sniffed either one.
Like I said, I'll place my bets on McCarthy long before the likes of Garrett..
Miss the point much?

seriously to say hes better when he was fired from his last team and that team then became winner again without him and the organization and qb he left were saying the same things we say about Garett , and here all the talk about obvious change is so ridiculous because he hasn't done one thing we KNOW about that is different is all speculation, as the same holes would have needed to be filled give the same FAs were on defense and Will and Jerry most likely would have brought in the same players. think about the narrative most of the bad moves all seemed to be jerrys fault, bad Gm they say, UMM, Will and Jerry are still here and still making the decsions, we have zero idea that any of these players brought in this off season were influenced by MM or Nolan..Also to that perspective this team has brought in many great Players in the past and we've had some great regular seasons and have have division wins, first round byes with garett,, so until that CHANGES , ID SLOW THE PRASIES OF THE NEW STAFF UNTIL WE SEE THEM IN THE TRUE Heat OF BATTLES, IN LIVE GAMES WHEN THE CHIPS ARE DOWN..LETS SEE THIS OBVIOUS CHANGE OF PHILOSOPHY IN GAME PLANS, PLAY CALLING , AND WHEN THE GAME PLAN FALLS APART, HOW MANY OF THOSE GAMES DO WE WIN..Lets witness how a player havig horrible day is subbed in or who they use when a crucial player gets hurt..this doesnt happen in an off season yet every play or every game we will see posts about how things are so different, until they arent because those narratives will only change in the playoffs..

fans are joke , rip garret and praise MM before he does one tangible thing for this team.. like I said throw a stale cracker to a starving person and they would praise that cracker like it was homemade bread..

tap the breaks and lets see 2-3 seasons of actual change, if MM doesnt get us past a second round and at least one SB appearance and its pretty much the same . Fans wanted JG gone so badly now they are giving credit for every little move this off season to MM, lets see how long that lasts when the players have to execute an dont..we no longer have Garett to blame and in my view most of the big losses weve had in games that mattered, 80% of the blame fell squarely on the players, not the coaches..lets see if this changes.

Im glad we have a new direction and some new hope but that all it is at this point..
 

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I always looked at the Garrett era as the best of the rest, comparing it to Gailey, Campo, Parcells and Phillips.

Take away the fluff and how many times has Garrett had the Cowboys in the conversation for a championship? Twice maybe? Once a first round bye.

C'mon now, better than Parcells? Did you write that? He took over a garbage can and in just 4 years built a team even wade couldn't screw up in 2007. Until the playoffs of course.

He's not the best of the rest. He's one of the many besides Parcells that contributed to how poorly the Cowboys have done since 1996.
 

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I always looked at the Garrett era as the best of the rest, comparing it to Gailey, Campo, Parcells and Phillips.

It was still frustrating and disappointing and an extension of the mediocre era since the 90’s dynasty.

But when you compare to his recent predecessors it actually isn’t as bad as some would present. He won more division titles and playoff games than the previous 4 HC’s over a decade combined.

We came closer to finally breaking thru to a championship appearance 3 times which is twice more than the previous 4 HC’s. If we break thru in any of those then it’s probably a different mindset despite Garrett’s obvious game mgmt struggles at times and his inexperience.

No doubt it was time to move on. But I think pending how the Cowboys fare moving forward Garretts record which BTW in last 4 years only Belichick won more games, will be held in a higher esteem under the circumstances than most can now.

Most importantly , I think this era along with Garrett’s stint is more reflective on our ownership and dysfunctional organization as no one is having anymore success with this franchise.Time will tell if current HC can finally go where no HC has in the last 2+ decades.

Given the talent level that he had at QB, I am sorry I cannot agree with you. He fell short at all levels that I can see. He was without question a guy, just a guy, that scored millions on Jerry's tab.
 

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I always looked at the Garrett era as the best of the rest, comparing it to Gailey, Campo, Parcells and Phillips.

It was still frustrating and disappointing and an extension of the mediocre era since the 90’s dynasty.

But when you compare to his recent predecessors it actually isn’t as bad as some would present. He won more division titles and playoff games than the previous 4 HC’s over a decade combined.

We came closer to finally breaking thru to a championship appearance 3 times which is twice more than the previous 4 HC’s. If we break thru in any of those then it’s probably a different mindset despite Garrett’s obvious game mgmt struggles at times and his inexperience.

No doubt it was time to move on. But I think pending how the Cowboys fare moving forward Garretts record which BTW in last 4 years only Belichick won more games, will be held in a higher esteem under the circumstances than most can now.

Most importantly , I think this era along with Garrett’s stint is more reflective on our ownership and dysfunctional organization as no one is having anymore success with this franchise.Time will tell if current HC can finally go where no HC has in the last 2+ decades.

Pretty much my view. Garrett wasn't as horrific as some claim. We had the 13-3 season in 2016 although the decision to go with a rookie QB over an All Pro QB in the play offs was brainless and Garrett likely had a part to play in that.

His in game adjustments were embarrassing.

Yet I don't expect a massive change with McCarthy - nobody came a knocking for his services last season and there were reasons for that...a dated and stale offense which Rodgers had to salvage off his own back and speaking of backs...massages during team meetings.
 

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I can't believe some people are actually defending the Garrett era. It's baffling to me, especially when comparing his resume to McCarthy's. You have one guy who never made a NFC Championship game in nine seasons as a head coach compared to a guy who made four of them in his entire career with the Packers, including winning a Super Bowl. Sure, he had Rodgers and there's no doubt that made it easier for him, but Garrett had Romo and Dak, two quarterbacks who he could've won a championship with.

Is it all Garrett's fault? No, Jerry and co. played a part in that with their dysfunctional front office and bone-headed moves over the years. But great coaches can overcome that stuff. Garrett wasn't terrible and wasn't one of the worst head coaches in the league, he was just simply average (hence the multiple 8-8 seasons). We should've moved on after 2015 and it was damn sure time to move on after this past season.
 

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And you are really struggling to come up with an actual counter point to my posts. A lot easier to just call people mouth breathers and pretend they don't understand what objectively means :laugh:
The fact that you don't understand what the word objectively means is the whole point. You're mad because your emotional outbursts don't line up with reality. I might actually agree with your take, but it's irrelevant to the original statement about Garrett's objective performance.
 

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The fact that you don't understand what the word objectively means is the whole point. You're mad because your emotional outbursts don't line up with reality. I might actually agree with your take, but it's irrelevant to the original statement about Garrett's objective performance.
Good God, keep repeating the same BS.......
 

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Take away the fluff and how many times has Garrett had the Cowboys in the conversation for a championship? Twice maybe? Once a first round bye.

C'mon now, better than Parcells? Did you write that? He took over a garbage can and in just 4 years built a team even wade couldn't screw up in 2007. Until the playoffs of course.

He's not the best of the rest. He's one of the many besides Parcells that contributed to how poorly the Cowboys have done since 1996.
I’d agree Bill resurrected us from the 5-11 Funk into a playoff contender again but in the end didn’t have a better record or anymore playoff success which Garrett is being bashed for.

When I say “best of the rest“ , I’m referring to his record not coaching ability.
 

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Pretty much my view. Garrett wasn't as horrific as some claim. We had the 13-3 season in 2016 although the decision to go with a rookie QB over an All Pro QB in the play offs was brainless and Garrett likely had a part to play in that.

His in game adjustments were embarrassing.

Yet I don't expect a massive change with McCarthy - nobody came a knocking for his services last season and there were reasons for that...a dated and stale offense which Rodgers had to salvage off his own back and speaking of backs...massages during team meetings.
I always try to retain some hope . And MM definitely brings a better resume and experience . No doubt was time to move on from Garrett.

But to bash him more than any of the other HC’s this era who came in with much more expertise and experience is short sighted IMO.

I think some fans just became more frustrated because of a longer tenure which was on Jerry. But up until last years collapse we had seen improvement with 3 division titles in 5 years and stronger push in playoffs. Not bad for a puppet who should have never been HC.
 

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what point are you even trying to make? McCarthy is a 6 win coach unless his team is loaded with talent? Aaron Rodgers, Davante Adams, Aaron Jones, 3 pro bowl lineman, and the 12th ranked pass D aren’t enough to break .500?

it’s not trolling when it’s statistical fact. He’s your coach because he was fired for failing with a playoff caliber team worse than Garrett did. He even said he planned to coach in 2019 but no one called.
You stated LaFleur took over that GB and lead them to 13 wins, while providing zero context. The '18 and '19 rosters were vastly different, which I pointed out. And nice cherry picking on the "12th ranked" stat. They were 22nd in points given up (you know, the more important stat when judging a defense) in '18, and 8th in '19 thanks to the major additions I mentioned in a previous post.

Nice try though.
 

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Scapegoating is when you get rid of someone to appease the masses. There we made a change, next years gonna be great. We all know how that went every single time. Garrett's not the problem, this guy is. And that guy and that guy and on and on it goes. By year 8 you didn't see it coming? it's as scapegoating as it could possibly get. Called it Dak Friendly, but really it was Garrett friendly. Poor decisions to begin with then you backpedal and call it a quality move. LOL Who's next, cause we know who's not going. Someone running this team finally woke up that's for sure, cause it was pathetic which sums up the Garrett era pretty good. No offensive score in that Philly game? That's your HCing career against the ropes. And he got knocked out just like we expected it to happen. Just like it's been happening for a decade plus. Sad that people still defend this clown.
 

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........Im glad we have a new direction and some new hope but that all it is at this point..
I'm glad you finally said SOMETHING that was right. But if McCarthy can beat 8-8, he'll be hot on Garret's mediocre trail.
 

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I always looked at the Garrett era as the best of the rest, comparing it to Gailey, Campo, Parcells and Phillips. It was still frustrating and disappointing and an extension of the mediocre era since the 90’s dynasty.But when you compare to his recent predecessors it actually isn’t as bad as some would present. He won more division titles and playoff games than the previous 4 HC’s over a decade combined.
We came closer to finally breaking thru to a championship appearance 3 times which is twice more than the previous 4 HC’s. If we break thru in any of those then it’s probably a different mindset despite Garrett’s obvious game mgmt struggles at times and his inexperience. No doubt it was time to move on. But I think pending how the Cowboys fare moving forward Garretts record which BTW in last 4 years only Belichick won more games, will be held in a higher esteem under the circumstances than most can now.
Most importantly , I think this era along with Garrett’s stint is more reflective on our ownership and dysfunctional organization as no one is having anymore success with this franchise.Time will tell if current HC can finally go where no HC has in the last 2+ decades.

"Close" only counts in horse shoes and hand grenades. Point is, Garrett DIDN'T "break thru to a championship appearance" in 10 years, despite some good opportunities.
As for Garrett being the "best of the rest" as you put it, I might be wrong, but I suspect Parcells would've bested Garrett's mediocre record if he'd stuck around longer.
I'd REALLY like to have seen what Tony Romo could've done with 10 years of Parcells instead of 10 years of Garrett! Oh well......
 

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Scapegoating is when you get rid of someone to appease the masses. There we made a change, next years gonna be great. We all know how that went every single time. Garrett's not the problem, this guy is. And that guy and that guy and on and on it goes. By year 8 you didn't see it coming? it's as scapegoating as it could possibly get. Called it Dak Friendly, but really it was Garrett friendly. Poor decisions to begin with then you backpedal and call it a quality move. LOL Who's next, cause we know who's not going. Someone running this team finally woke up that's for sure, cause it was pathetic which sums up the Garrett era pretty good. No offensive score in that Philly game? That's your HCing career against the ropes. And he got knocked out just like we expected it to happen. Just like it's been happening for a decade plus. Sad that people still defend this clown.

Yeah I actually think this team quit on Garrett last year, despite numerous claims that they played hard for him.
 

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I am sure there are, look at all the difference of opinions on Romo still. On Dak & Zeke, though on Zeke it is all personal it seems. As no one thinks he is a bad player. But many think he is in relation to the size of his contract, as in overpaid. Again that is their opinion, as entitled to it.

So no doubt some are upset Garrett is gone. There are those probably hating McCarthy, maybe based on his tenure with GB, as they avidly hate everything GB. I do not like GB either as Packers and Steelers are my 2 most hated teams (bestie division foes). However, MM does not bother me just because he is ex GB coach. I like it because he can't be any worse, and is a proven winner for long term.
Zeke has devolved into a very good power back. Is what it is. Memories of 2016 are just that, memories.
 
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