Kavon Frazier says "Kris Richard may have had his hand forced by Garrett"

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Right
IF he had a better resume I would commend him for him being so determine to stay. But instead, I'm questioning his sanity.

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Frazier didn't say anything bad about Garrett in the interview
he said nothing TRUE it was his GUT feelings and yet people took it as biblical statemeets..lol

Its trash magazine stuff..national inquirer most likely have theory as well..
 

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I posted a thread about the changes in scheme games 1-3 vs the rest of the season and the Garrett sabotage angle was seen as out there lol. I think we underestimate JG’s ego issues

I think many of us whom were looking at things sensibly could see Garrett wanting to assert himself in some way other than just walking around and clapping. I remember watching Garrett toward the end of the season and marveling at how much he was suppressing his tendencies in regards to clapping. It was obvious at this point he, and everyone else knew his days were numbered, he had given his "give em hell for the gipper" speech one two many times and it had grown stale.

I think a few times during the year there was great hope in our team and if I'm being honest I believe this was when Garrett couldn't help but add a very unneeded dynamic in terms of his philosophy wishes. I think there were times where we should of attacked with the pass and it was obvious to everyone, but somehow we were forcing the run over and over to no avail. No matter what anyone on this forum says, I believe that when Garrett starting feeling good about things he interfered, he couldn't help himself, he had to be able to feel like he was somehow responsible and to the peril of our team.

Once things completely fell apart after the bills game was when everything spiraled in my opinion and the Bears game was another example. Once it became toxic there was no turning back, even Dak couldn't over come toxicity that permeated our team.
 

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Why are there still threads about Jason f’n Garret? He’s gone and he ain’t coming back. Move on with your lives already.

And f Dez too. This ain’t 2014

Let me put it to you this way. It's obvious you don't want to talk about Garrett anymore and you have that right, but it's quite shallow of you to not take into account that there are many of us still hungry for information as to what was really the dynamic in the locker room and what did the players really think of Garrett's involvement. What you fail to understand is that there are still many unanswered questions in regards to Garrett's tenure that provide keys answers to our instability. The more that Jerry Jones can be exposed for enabling Jason Garrett the better it is for our franchise moving forward. Sure Jerry will still be the owner and in firm control, but any word getting out that explains the circus that went on from inner circles is interesting information.

I don't think you get that the Jones, Garrett connection is not that one of a normal coach owner relationship! It went much deeper, much darker, much more personal! This is why all these questions about Garrett and or discussions are relevant to many of us fans.
 

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I think many of us whom were looking at things sensibly could see Garrett wanting to assert himself in some way other than just walking around and clapping. I remember watching Garrett toward the end of the season and marveling at how much he was suppressing his tendencies in regards to clapping. It was obvious at this point he, and everyone else knew his days were numbered, he had given his "give em hell for the gipper" speech one two many times and it had grown stale.

I think a few times during the year there was great hope in our team and if I'm being honest I believe this was when Garrett couldn't help but add a very unneeded dynamic in terms of his philosophy wishes. I think there were times where we should of attacked with the pass and it was obvious to everyone, but somehow we were forcing the run over and over to no avail. No matter what anyone on this forum says, I believe that when Garrett starting feeling good about things he interfered, he couldn't help himself, he had to be able to feel like he was somehow responsible and to the peril of our team.

Once things completely fell apart after the bills game was when everything spiraled in my opinion and the Bears game was another example. Once it became toxic there was no turning back, even Dak couldn't over come toxicity that permeated our team.
Boy there is some shocking stupidity posted in this forum, but this stuff takes the cake. Garrett, the head coach, "interfered" with the team... lol.

Whoa, coincidentally, my boss just sent me a message asking me to do something... why is he interfering with my day?
 

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I think many of us whom were looking at things sensibly could see Garrett wanting to assert himself in some way other than just walking around and clapping. I remember watching Garrett toward the end of the season and marveling at how much he was suppressing his tendencies in regards to clapping. It was obvious at this point he, and everyone else knew his days were numbered, he had given his "give em hell for the gipper" speech one two many times and it had grown stale.

I think a few times during the year there was great hope in our team and if I'm being honest I believe this was when Garrett couldn't help but add a very unneeded dynamic in terms of his philosophy wishes. I think there were times where we should of attacked with the pass and it was obvious to everyone, but somehow we were forcing the run over and over to no avail. No matter what anyone on this forum says, I believe that when Garrett starting feeling good about things he interfered, he couldn't help himself, he had to be able to feel like he was somehow responsible and to the peril of our team.

Once things completely fell apart after the bills game was when everything spiraled in my opinion and the Bears game was another example. Once it became toxic there was no turning back, even Dak couldn't over come toxicity that permeated our team.

There comes a time when as a player, you've heard the rah-rah speeches enough times, only to get to an actual game and the heat of battle and realize that the same guy giving you the speeches doesn't have the answers on gameday. He and his chosen staff, time and time again put you in the best position to succeed as a player. And, in fact, you are at a notable disadvantage out there on the field every week. Not only are your coaches not a help, but they are a hindrance. And you get to hear it on TV, read about it on the internet and in print, and hear about it from any contemporaries you have around the league.

I'm amazed that his act lasted for as long as it did. I think that was a testament to the good traits that Garrett did have in many instances.
 

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Boy there is some shocking stupidity posted in this forum, but this stuff takes the cake. Garrett, the head coach, "interfered" with the team... lol.

Whoa, coincidentally, my boss just sent me a message asking me to do something... why is he interfering with my day?

Yes he interfered. Remember, rumor has it that it was jones whom had basically made him a walk around rah rah coach and because of his lack of success and his responsibilities were stripped down. He still had pull though and is one of the best influencers that you will ever see. Remember Kellen Moore was a rookie coordination flying by the seat of his pants, so Garrett persuading him to alter his normal thinking could be an easy thing to do. Remember the offense was Garrett's thing and he believed he always had the answers even until the end of his tenure. Defensively I just believe that they suffered because Richard and Marinelli weren't at all on the same page because they had no one looking over them that could help the situation. Garrett had lost the team, but he could still get to Kellen.
 

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I believe it. And I believe Kellen Moore also had his hand forced as well. Its insane......its literally like Garrett sabotaged himself last season.

Garrett always relied on the philosophy of just beating the man across from you. Simplicity was a tenant of his tenure. It's one of the reasons he also wanted Marinelli, who traditionally runs a very vanilla scheme. Unfortunately, it's not '92 and there is a salary cap now, so you have to actually scheme.
 

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Yes he interfered. Remember, rumor has it that it was jones whom had basically made him a walk around rah rah coach and because of his lack of success and his responsibilities were stripped down. He still had pull though and is one of the best influencers that you will ever see. Remember Kellen Moore was a rookie coordination flying by the seat of his pants, so Garrett persuading him to alter his normal thinking could be an easy thing to do. Remember the offense was Garrett's thing and he believed he always had the answers even until the end of his tenure. Defensively I just believe that they suffered because Richard and Marinelli weren't at all on the same page because they had no one looking over them that could help the situation. Garrett had lost the team, but he could still get to Kellen.

so were Richard and Marinelli on the same page in 2018 when everyone was asking for Richard to be the coach?...lol

just stop....lol
 

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There comes a time when as a player, you've heard the rah-rah speeches enough times, only to get to an actual game and the heat of battle and realize that the same guy giving you the speeches doesn't have the answers on gameday. He and his chosen staff, time and time again put you in the best position to succeed as a player. And, in fact, you are at a notable disadvantage out there on the field every week. Not only are your coaches not a help, but they are a hindrance. And you get to hear it on TV, read about it on the internet and in print, and hear about it from any contemporaries you have around the league.

I'm amazed that his act lasted for as long as it did. I think that was a testament to the good traits that Garrett did have in many instances.

100%. Garrett did have some good traits and one of those was his ability to keep an even demeanor, but we both know that this only led to average play. What you're saying is right on in the sense that they players lost hope completely in the coaching staff as a whole, they gave them no confidence or tactical advantage.
 

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so were Richard and Marinelli on the same page in 2018 when everyone was asking for Richard to be the coach?...lol

just stop....lol

Actually, yes, much more so... The team totally switched up the style of defense they were playing and went away from some of things richard preached. As time went on things got more and more complicated and they lost their way. This also can be attributed to not having a head coach whom is able to fix things.
 

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Actually, yes, much more so... The team totally switched up the style of defense they were playing and went away from some of things richard preached. As time went on things got more and more complicated and they lost their way. This also can be attributed to not having a head coach whom is able to fix things.

no they didn't, what inn the heck were you watching...lol as Frazier said it was the same in 2018 as 2019, you didn't even listen to the podcast...lol if you did you wouldn't be posting such foolish stuff....lol
 

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Yes he interfered. Remember, rumor has it that it was jones whom had basically made him a walk around rah rah coach and because of his lack of success and his responsibilities were stripped down. He still had pull though and is one of the best influencers that you will ever see. Remember Kellen Moore was a rookie coordination flying by the seat of his pants, so Garrett persuading him to alter his normal thinking could be an easy thing to do. Remember the offense was Garrett's thing and he believed he always had the answers even until the end of his tenure. Defensively I just believe that they suffered because Richard and Marinelli weren't at all on the same page because they had no one looking over them that could help the situation. Garrett had lost the team, but he could still get to Kellen.
He's the coach, he can't interfere. How old are you, 12?

Can you point me to an article where Jerry point out exactly what Garrett's duties were? As funny as the ones that you are making up are, if we're going to have a discussion about it I'd like to be working from facts.
 

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Actually, yes, much more so... The team totally switched up the style of defense they were playing and went away from some of things richard preached. As time went on things got more and more complicated and they lost their way. This also can be attributed to not having a head coach whom is able to fix things.

You shouldn't waste your time.
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He's the coach, he can't interfere. How old are you, 12?

Can you point me to an article where Jerry point out exactly what Garrett's duties were? As funny as the ones that you are making up are, if we're going to have a discussion about it I'd like to be working from facts.

I will avoid getting roped into insults brother, but I will say that from the start I believe what I'm saying based on pretty strong evidence from how things just naturally unfolded with the Cowboys. And to answer your question on how a head coach can interfere it's really quite simple. If your owner takes away parts of your responsibility as a manager or coach and you violate his wishes you are in fact interfering with his request. And if you need facts it was Jones himself that came out and said to Kellen Moore after he was hired that if anyone did indeed not give you your space to control the offense or implement what you wanted to please let him know. This was said by Jerry himself on one of the local radio shows! This isn't conspiracy, this was Jones laying down guidelines that he wanted Kellen to have full reign to work. Why would Jones make this remark? He did so because he know Garrett's tendencies would make it difficult to let go.
 

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so basically he is just making stuff up cause the defense wasn't working well.
 
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