The fictional “Elite Quarterback” label

MWH1967 · Apr 9, 2020

Doug Williams ring a bell? maybe Flacco?

MaineBoy · Apr 9, 2020

keysersoze said:
No. This is a factual thread to expose THE REAL CLOWNS who toss that elite bs around trying to sound smart.
FYI. Mahomes only looked ELITE for the last 8 minutes of the super bowl. If the 49ers would’ve ran the ball instead of trying to make Garoppolo look ELITE, Mahomes would be the SB loser.
Try reading the explanations these guys gave. Instead of pushing your personal agenda.

Mahomes in the last 8 minutes of the Super Bowl defines “elite”. You think Dak could have put a team on his back with that much pressure and done that ? In your dreams maybe. And you think Mahomes would have missed a touchdown to an open receiver who got behind 2 defenders - with the Super Bowl on the line ? That miss defines why Garoppolo is not “elite”. It’s one thing that you Dak Apologists pump him up despite the game tape, but to question whether Mahomes is “elite” ? Where does your Dak butt-hurt end; now you have to try to bring “elite” QB’s down to his level. If I’m not mistaken, I think Mahomes could hit receivers in stride when he started in the league...something Dak works hard every off-season to try to achieve...4 years and counting...

cowboy_ron · Apr 9, 2020

cowboyec said:
you know.

Oh, THAT dude.

BHendri5 · Apr 9, 2020

keysersoze said:
So you’re saying Brady “was elite” until last season? And if Tampa Bay is still garbage with him he’s no longer “Elite”? Is that what you’re saying? Because if you are, I wanna know what effect coaching and playing within the perfect system had on his ELITENESS??? Lol

stop arguing with that clown

PAPPYDOG · Apr 9, 2020

MWH1967 said:
Dude......The defense let this team down . point blank. Got have both when it becomes serious my brother. The "O" is not the problem.

Guess you got a Field goal fetish bud.....

keysersoze · Apr 9, 2020

MaineBoy said:
Mahomes in the last 8 minutes of the Super Bowl defines “elite”. You think Dak could have put a team on his back with that much pressure and done that ? In your dreams maybe. And you think Mahomes would have missed a touchdown to an open receiver who got behind 2 defenders - with the Super Bowl on the line ? That miss defines why Garoppolo is not “elite”. It’s one thing that you Dak Apologists pump him up despite the game tape, but to question whether Mahomes is “elite” ? Where does your Dak butt-hurt end; now you have to try to bring “elite” QB’s down to his level. If I’m not mistaken, I think Mahomes could hit receivers in stride when he started in the league...something Dak works hard every off-season to try to achieve...4 years and counting...

Mahomes only had that chance because of dumb coaching decisions and Jimmy G’s inabilities. And since your clown azz asked.... Yes! Dak has put the team on his back in several occasions and won by passing and/or running it himself. I can tell what kind of punk you are by the way you label those who support our quarterback. All the name calling like a schoolgirl solidifies my point. If you were correct there would be no need for that childish bs. Aren’t adults supposed to disagree without disrespecting those with different views? Do us both a favor and ignore my posts until you grow your soft sissy azz up. Please. Thank you.

keysersoze · Apr 9, 2020

BHendri5 said:
stop arguing with that clown

Yea. It’s a waste of time

America's Cowboy · Apr 9, 2020

Redball Express said:
Another Dak Thread.

Disguised as Not a Dak Thread.

Reminds me of the Geico motorcycle insurance commercial.

You know the one..the guy is half man..half motorcycle.

He calls himself..

"Mo-taur

Half man half bike.

He asks somebody asks him..

"Does it ever bother you being half man half bike.?"

The motaur says " no. Does it bother you that you are not?"

Same thing here.

Does it bother Cowboy fans if they do not have an elite QB?

Or better question..is it worthy for us if Dak gets paid like one but really isn't one..elite QB.

I have to think on it.

If he is legit elite he should be paid like one.

If not then what?

To me elite indicates winning. Anything more, stats, Pro Bowls, MVP is just gravy.

Winning is the meat of the question Against top drawer talent.

Not division 1A talent.

From that point you have to have contentious agreement.

I think that about sums it up.

What have you been watching for the past 4 years about Dak, Red? He's led this team to more wins than any team in the past 4 years other than Tom Brady (who used to play in the easiest division in the NFL). Dak's stats consistently land him in the top 5 individually. He's improved every year. He almost threw for 5K yards with 30 TDs, 65+ completions %, Top 4 QBR, Top 10 passer rating and only 11 INTs.

So what is it that makes you believe Dak is not one of the top QBs in the league and worthy of top pay?

Everything I have stated proves you are wrong.

starman22 · Apr 9, 2020

Cowboysheelsreds053 said:
Pipen May have benefited from playing with MJ but who wouldn't have. But he was still pretty d-- good at both ends of the court.

keysersoze said:
Be honest here Pippen would’ve been basic if not for playing with MJ. It took 2-3 guys to even attempt to slow MJ down. Pippen benefitted from being an open slasher because of that. MJ would’ve beat Bird eventually as he matured and refined his game. Now that’s elite. Barkley wasn’t elite. He was a force and a freak of nature. But didn’t have what it took to get the jewelry.

I believe when MJ went to try baseball, Pippen had a pretty darn good year. Amazing even.

starman22 · Apr 9, 2020

keysersoze said:
Marino is in the HOF strictly because of numbers. He rarely had a good running back or defense and was constantly in shootouts. He was definitely a great quarterback as far as passing goes. But it’s apparent he wasn’t ELITE enough to win it all despite the team’s shortcomings.

Marino is actually an excellent example of even elite QB's needing either a running game or a defense to help out. He never won a SB.

If you don't remember when Marino came in the league, it was incredible, it just seemed like he could do nothing wrong. He was constantly breaking records. I live in Central PA and watched him in the Pitt games, and I was praying that Dallas would somehow get him in the draft! We had pretty good luck with that Pitt RB we took a few years earlier...

Redball Express · Apr 9, 2020

America's Cowboy said:
What have you been watching for the past 4 years about Dak, Red? He's led this team to more wins than any team in the past 4 years other than Tom Brady (who used to play in the easiest division in the NFL). Dak's stats consistently land him in the top 5 individually. He's improved every year. He almost threw for 5K yards with 30 TDs, 65+ completions %, Top 4 QBR, Top 10 passer rating and only 11 INTs.

So what is it that makes you believe Dak is not one of the top QBs in the league and worthy of top pay?

Everything I have stated proves you are wrong.

If I could comb the site I could answer you more clearly. Maybe you could do a search of my posts. I'm not sure if it can be done.

I'll try a short answer.

Dak has not beaten many teams with winning records. Yes he has beaten teams like the Giants and Commanders consistantly.

This year in particular..he lost frequently to teams he should have beaten. You have to look at his record.

Dak also struggles when Zeke struggles. During Zeke's suspension, Cowboy Nation was all abuzz that Dak needed to step and show he could carry the team if needed. As he had been rookie of the year in 2016..

most insisted Dak could elevate his game the needed amount to do this.

He failed miserably and we missed the playoffs.

2018 started put at 3-5 and things Cowboy were melting down. It wasn't until we traded for Amadi did Dak improve.

The belief was to fully evaluate Dak, we needed a #1 WR. That was done and Dak won some important games down the stretch including Seattle in the playoffs.

But the loss to the Rams underscored Daks non-capability to beat a good team. Yes there were other issues but Dak was throttled the whole game. No magic left. End of the season.

2019 came along. Dak added an inability to win on the road, Jets, Pat's, Titans, Buffalo and others.

When we had to end up running the table and needed desperately to beat Philly, Dak played horrible.

End of the season.

There.

I realize Dak had alot of help losing. He was injured. The defense was porous. The HC was Dead Man Walking.

Still, the bottom line for a QB is wins and losses and rings and titles.

Dak in 4 years has few of any of that.

I don't hate him. I just give him 'a vote of no confidence'. So do others, about half of the fanbase.

That was longer than I wanted to explain. Hope its clearer. And I ain't no troll about any of this.

It's just how I see it after watching for 50 years.

Yikes 50?

Yep.

starman22 · Apr 9, 2020

keysersoze said:
LMAO!!’ You know that’s always their excuse. Subpar talent huh? TO, Witten and Glenn were subpar? Marion Barber, Julius Jones and Murray subpar? Flozell Adams, Leonard Davis, Tyron Smith and Andre Gurode subpar? A Hall of Fame Coach in Parcells subpar? Really??? Lol!!!

You realize these are all offensive players? That should be the point everyone should take from this is that it takes a team to win. At some point your defense is going to have to put you in position to win the game.

America's Cowboy · Apr 10, 2020

Redball Express said:
If I could comb the site I could answer you more clearly. Maybe you could do a search of my posts. I'm not sure if it can be done.

I'll try a short answer.

Dak has not beaten many teams with winning records. Yes he has beaten teams like the Giants and Commanders consistantly.

This year in particular..he lost frequently to teams he should have beaten. You have to look at his record.

Dak also struggles when Zeke struggles. During Zeke's suspension, Cowboy Nation was all abuzz that Dak needed to step and show he could carry the team if needed. As he had been rookie of the year in 2016..

most insisted Dak could elevate his game the needed amount to do this.

He failed miserably and we missed the playoffs.

2018 started put at 3-5 and things Cowboy were melting down. It wasn't until we traded for Amadi did Dak improve.

The belief was to fully evaluate Dak, we needed a #1 WR. That was done and Dak won some important games down the stretch including Seattle in the playoffs.

But the loss to the Rams underscored Daks non-capability to beat a good team. Yes there were other issues but Dak was throttled the whole game. No magic left. End of the season.

2019 came along. Dak added an inability to win on the road, Jets, Pat's, Titans, Buffalo and others.

When we had to end up running the table and needed desperately to beat Philly, Dak played horrible.

End of the season.

There.

I realize Dak had alot of help losing. He was injured. The defense was porous. The HC was Dead Man Walking.

Still, the bottom line for a QB is wins and losses and rings and titles.

Dak in 4 years has few of any of that.

I don't hate him. I just give him 'a vote of no confidence'. So do others, about half of the fanbase.

That was longer than I wanted to explain. Hope its clearer. And I ain't no troll about any of this.

It's just how I see it after watching for 50 years.

Yikes 50?

Yep.

Do you even know why we lost most of those games in 2019? A majority of the time, it wasn't because of Dak. On YouTube, several well known sports critics have posted videos explaining which players were at fault for those losses. You and that half of the fan base should do some research, rewatch videos and pay attention to those explaining what's happening in those videos. It would greatly help you understand things better and why this team and front office is 100% sold on Dak (as are other team's coaches and other retired great minds).

Playmaker247 · Apr 10, 2020

Wait people are actually arguing in this thread that elite is not a subjective term? It's literally the most subjective term out there. Hence why arguing whether someone is elite or not is stupid because there is no definitive criteria.

Aviano90 · Apr 10, 2020

Elite should be a banned word on the forum.

PAPPYDOG · Apr 10, 2020

Aviano90 said:
Elite should be a banned word on the forum.

keysersoze · Apr 10, 2020

Playmaker247 said:
Wait people are actually arguing in this thread that elite is not a subjective term? It's literally the most subjective term out there. Hence why arguing whether someone is elite or not is stupid because there is no definitive criteria.

keysersoze · Apr 10, 2020

starman22 said:
I believe when MJ went to try baseball, Pippen had a pretty darn good year. Amazing even.

Did Pippen reach the finals without MJ? Nope!!! In fact he was traded to Houston with Barkley and Olajuwan and still came up short. He then went to Portland and still no cigar. So it’s pretty obvious that Pippen was influenced by MJ but was not a champion without him.

keysersoze · Apr 10, 2020

starman22 said:
Marino is actually an excellent example of even elite QB's needing either a running game or a defense to help out. He never won a SB.

If you don't remember when Marino came in the league, it was incredible, it just seemed like he could do nothing wrong. He was constantly breaking records. I live in Central PA and watched him in the Pitt games, and I was praying that Dallas would somehow get him in the draft! We had pretty good luck with that Pitt RB we took a few years earlier...

But he wasn’t elite enough to carry his team to a championship. Was he?

keysersoze · Apr 10, 2020

starman22 said:
You realize these are all offensive players? That should be the point everyone should take from this is that it takes a team to win. At some point your defense is going to have to put you in position to win the game.

Exactly!!! So what is the criteria for labeling a quarterback ELITE if they all need a good supporting cast on both sides of the ball?

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