The fictional “Elite Quarterback” label

Typhus · Apr 10, 2020

America's Cowboy said:
What have you been watching for the past 4 years about Dak, Red? He's led this team to more wins than any team in the past 4 years other than Tom Brady (who used to play in the easiest division in the NFL). Dak's stats consistently land him in the top 5 individually. He's improved every year. He almost threw for 5K yards with 30 TDs, 65+ completions %, Top 4 QBR, Top 10 passer rating and only 11 INTs.

So what is it that makes you believe Dak is not one of the top QBs in the league and worthy of top pay?

Everything I have stated proves you are wrong.

I wouldn't say even close to everything..

Aviano90 · Apr 10, 2020

Playmaker247 said:
Wait people are actually arguing in this thread that elite is not a subjective term? It's literally the most subjective term out there. Hence why arguing whether someone is elite or not is stupid because there is no definitive criteria.

Elite has become so overused, I've seen people begin using "Legendary" to describe the truly great QBs. Eventually legendary will become watered down and a new term will have to be used.

starman22 · Apr 10, 2020

Aviano90 said:
Elite has become so overused, I've seen people begin using "Legendary" to describe the truly great QBs. Eventually legendary will become watered down and a new term will have to be used.

We have already overused so many, generational is another. Every couple years a "generational" running back emerges.

Whirlwin · Apr 10, 2020

Outlaw Heroes said:
Which part lost you? I’ll see if I can get my 5-year old to help translate for you.

Did you flunk sandbox. Is that what you’re saying

Whirlwin · Apr 10, 2020

keysersoze said:
Wow!!! Now you’re resulting to lame insults? Lol

That’s what happens when you flunk sandbox.

G2 · Apr 10, 2020

Aviano90 said:
Elite has become so overused, I've seen people begin using "Legendary" to describe the truly great QBs. Eventually legendary will become watered down and a new term will have to be used.

I've got a list going of misused/overused phrases. Elite is on it.

Whirlwin · Apr 10, 2020

keysersoze said:
LMAO!!’ You know that’s always their excuse. Subpar talent huh? TO, Witten and Glenn were subpar? Marion Barber, Julius Jones and Murray subpar? Flozell Adams, Leonard Davis, Tyron Smith and Andre Gurode subpar? A Hall of Fame Coach in Parcells subpar? Really??? Lol!!!

Tony Romo was a class self-centered individual. That’s why he had BFS. I’ve always supported him. But when the game was on the line you knew he was going to make a mistake.

ABQCOWBOY · Apr 10, 2020

This is the dumbest article honestly. Of course he deserves a new contract but nobody is denying that.

"Just Pay The Man!" Whatever.........

keysersoze · Apr 10, 2020

Whirlwin said:
Tony Romo was a class self-centered individual. That’s why he had BFS. I’ve always supported him. But when the game was on the line you knew he was going to make a mistake.

This is true. These guys just can’t face reality and are very bitter because Dak didn’t punk out and bow down to Romo by relinquishing his job to their fallen hero. This bs is really weird because to be honest so far their careers kinda mirror each other’s. So to place Romo on an imaginary pedestal is ridiculous. Dak has accomplished the same if not more than Romo in his first 4 seasons. Oh yea!!! I forgot. Dak has 13 all pros and a shut down defense to help him. LMAO :lmao2:

keysersoze · Apr 10, 2020

Whirlwin said:
That’s what happens when you flunk sandbox.

Yes. Ignorance is bliss. Lol

keysersoze · Apr 10, 2020

Flamma said:
Ok. Then why pay these guys a ridiculous sum? Hell, Jim Plunkett won two super bowls and he was the backup. Just get any average to good QB and tap into that "variety of reasons" to win a championship.

You pay because it’s market value for quarterbacks who have yet to commandeer a losing season. It’s funny how Romo got paid and none of you cried about it. In all actuality Romo needed more to succeed. Every damn season you guys were sniveling about Romo needing something and someone else to be successful. No matter what we gave him he never won more than a wildcard game. Then after Dak engineered an 11 game win streak you guys want Romo to step in and finish the season based on fairytales about what he COULD’VE DONE, that he hasn’t done in his previous 10 seasons. This bs is just silly and ignorant.

keysersoze · Apr 10, 2020

Streetwise said:
Elite is best of the best. Not the top 10 to fit a narrative or to argue a player isn't "worth" what the fan suggests. Market value with regard to a QB isn't based on ranking, it's based on what a team needs. If every team refused to pay a QB that wasn't Marino they would never have a competitive team.

blueblood70 · Apr 10, 2020

Typhus said:
That would have definitely made it much more difficult on Mahomes.

more difficulty nearly impossible he shipped alex smith off , hadn't won a SB EVER and been 15years since Reid's last SB appearance..Mahomes steps in wins MVP and is a offside penalty away from sealing a game to go to a SB in mahomes MVP Rookie season.. Mahomes then hands reid his first SB, correct? in 15years in between sbs with his system and he had other great teams but guess what he didnt have, Mahomes,,the people saying hes overrated and was the system and weapons are delusional..

the system is prolific but without the QB to run it and make ridiculous comebacks in the first 2 rounds of the plays when the defense was horrible in the first halfs, it takes player like Mahomes, an élite qb to overcome that and thats the difference between a Greta QB and Elite one not the SB win but the ability's to take over game with the chips down and nearly no hope and win b2b playoff games to get to the sb..

the system gave them a shot at the playoffs but an elite player gets you there..Mahomes got the chiefs and Reid over the proverbial hump that Smith and McNab could not,,

Dak is smith and Mcnab

you want overrated its Jackson in Baltimore, hes a system guy because they developed a system for Jackson, that hard to defends and player to run it but IMO Mahomes was th MVP again Jackson was hot but got shut down easily AGFAKIN in the payoffs.. Elite wins those games, overrated system guys like Jackson look great until they meet resistance and can not do anything else but that system..Mahomes can go rouge and on pure instinct and talent take a sure loss and turn it into a win in the BIG GAMES..

Whirlwin · Apr 10, 2020

blueblood70 said:
more difficulty nearly impossible he shipped alex smith off , hadn't won a SB EVER and been 15years since Reid's last SB appearance..Mahomes steps in wins MVP and is a offside penalty away from sealing a game to go to a SB in mahomes MVP Rookie season.. Mahomes then hands reid his first SB, correct? in 15years in between sbs with his system and he had other great teams but guess what he didnt have, Mahomes,,the people saying hes overrated and was the system and weapons are delusional..

the system is prolific but without the QB to run it and make ridiculous comebacks in the first 2 rounds of the plays when the defense was horrible in the first halfs, it takes player like Mahomes, an élite qb to overcome that and thats the difference between a Greta QB and Elite one not the SB win but the ability's to take over game with the chips down and nearly no hope and win b2b playoff games to get to the sb..

the system gave them a shot at the playoffs but an elite player gets you there..Mahomes got the chiefs and Reid over the proverbial hump that Smith and McNab could not,,

Dak is smith and Mcnab

you want overrated its Jackson in Baltimore, hes a system guy because they developed a system for Jackson, that hard to defends and player to run it but IMO Mahomes was th MVP again Jackson was hot but got shut down easily AGFAKIN in the payoffs.. Elite wins those games, overrated system guys like Jackson look great until they meet resistance and can not do anything else but that system..Mahomes can go rouge and on pure instinct and talent take a sure loss and turn it into a win in the BIG GAMES..

Do you really think the offside penalty was the reason they lost . Nothing to do with him running backwards for his life most of the day. The kid is a big game Hail Mary Choke They should’ve given the award to the full back from San Francisco even though they lost. Stop with this Mahomes hero garbage. McNabb was a decent quarterback. If he doesn’t get drunk the night before the Super Bowl you might win that game. Yep Prescotts a winner make no mistake about it. Go watch the Super Bowl again. Overthrows on the throes aiming the football. It was brutally painful to watch how bad he was. Although I’m glad Kansas City one because I don’t want to San Francisco to have another ring. The wide receiver should’ve got it way before Mahomes. LMAO. Watch the tape again delusional.

Whirlwin · Apr 10, 2020

Just think how many games Prescott won in spite of Jason Garrett. No one wants a dink and dunk. But then we open it up and we lose. If that doesn’t tell you it was about the scheme I can’t help you. Go Cowboys

Whirlwin · Apr 10, 2020

blueblood70 said:
more difficulty nearly impossible he shipped alex smith off , hadn't won a SB EVER and been 15years since Reid's last SB appearance..Mahomes steps in wins MVP and is a offside penalty away from sealing a game to go to a SB in mahomes MVP Rookie season.. Mahomes then hands reid his first SB, correct? in 15years in between sbs with his system and he had other great teams but guess what he didnt have, Mahomes,,the people saying hes overrated and was the system and weapons are delusional..

the system is prolific but without the QB to run it and make ridiculous comebacks in the first 2 rounds of the plays when the defense was horrible in the first halfs, it takes player like Mahomes, an élite qb to overcome that and thats the difference between a Greta QB and Elite one not the SB win but the ability's to take over game with the chips down and nearly no hope and win b2b playoff games to get to the sb..

the system gave them a shot at the playoffs but an elite player gets you there..Mahomes got the chiefs and Reid over the proverbial hump that Smith and McNab could not,,

Dak is smith and Mcnab

you want overrated its Jackson in Baltimore, hes a system guy because they developed a system for Jackson, that hard to defends and player to run it but IMO Mahomes was th MVP again Jackson was hot but got shut down easily AGFAKIN in the payoffs.. Elite wins those games, overrated system guys like Jackson look great until they meet resistance and can not do anything else but that system..Mahomes can go rouge and on pure instinct and talent take a sure loss and turn it into a win in the BIG GAMES..

The 49ers keep Smith. He wins that Super Bowl. He doesn’t throw an interception at the end of the game

blueblood70 · Apr 10, 2020

Whirlwin said:
Do you really think the offside penalty was the reason they lost . Nothing to do with him running backwards for his life most of the day. The kid is a big game Hail Mary Chalk. They should’ve given the award to the full back from San Francisco even though they lost. Stop with this Mahomes hero garbage. McNabb was a decent quarterback. If he doesn’t get drunk the night before the Super Bowl you might win that game. Yep Prescotts a winner make no mistake about it

just stop..there can be arguments for many qbs and Mahomes need sto last awhile longer to cement him into a HOF type career but at this point hes Elite , period...he has the IT factor, hes has the ability to bring his team down by 21 to a good playoff team and did it in like 10mins , that was him, sure its nice when you marry that kind of talent to a brilliant system and have star players around him but McNab and Smith never got reid to a SB win did they? it took mahomes with Reids system to get that win..

the facts are all in front of you..
trust me I dont hand that term out a lot and for sure IMO Aikman wasn't Elite, he was great and part of a great team that had an Elite back, some elite OL, and some elite defenders to go with Jimmy for that ride..

its not tangible you can just see elite when you see it and Mahomes is that guy..are we saying hes the best qb of all time , not yet, NO but dude rights now is #1 in the NFL in my book followed by a close second to Wilson..

im taking Brees and Brady oit of the argument as they are the last year or two of their careers, so the comps go to the new blood..

Whirlwin · Apr 10, 2020

blueblood70 said:
just stop..there can be arguments for many qbs and Mahomes need sto last awhile longer to cement him into a HOF type career but at this point hes Elite , period...he has the IT factor, hes has the ability to bring his team down by 21 to a good playoff team and did it in like 10mins , that was him, sure its nice when you marry that kind of talent to a brilliant system and have star players around him but McNab and Smith never got reid to a SB win did they? it took mahomes with Reids system to get that win..

the facts are all in front of you..
trust me I dont hand that term out a lot and for sure IMO Aikman wasn't Elite, he was great and part of a great team that had an Elite back, some elite OL, and some elite defenders to go with Jimmy for that ride..

its not tangible you can just see elite when you see it and Mahomes is that guy..are we saying hes the best qb of all time , not yet, NO but dude rights now is #1 in the NFL in my book followed by a close second to Wilson..

im taking Brees and Brady oit of the argument as they are the last year or two of their careers, so the comps go to the new blood..

You just don’t get it.Put the bowl up for grabs just like Aaron Rodgers. If Mahomes doesn’t have the speed at Wide out he doesn’t even make the playoffs

blueblood70 · Apr 10, 2020

Whirlwin said:
The 49ers keep Smith. He wins that Super Bowl. He doesn’t throw an interception at the end of the game

no ifs and buts and even with a SB win like Eli, Alex was not elite just a very solid QB like Dak, rivers, romo, and Stafford....

Dak can win a SB this year and im not going to call him élite..ive already seen his talent and its not special/.

blueblood70 · Apr 10, 2020

Whirlwin said:
You just don’t get it.

um you just dont get it :facepalm:

see how this works lol :angry:

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