Should Dallas trade for WR: Curtis Samuel?

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Dak_Attack_09 said:
This guy is the missing piece for the offense, a speed and quick receiver than can play slot, outside or line up in the backfield for tosses and jet sweeps. This is the type of Gadget player McCarthy covets for his scheme.

5'-11" 200 lbs 40 time: 4.3 sec

I wouldn't mind giving up 3rd or 4th rounder.

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Another person that thinks nothing about using multiple draft picks for a single player and this one hasn't even been to a single Pro Bowl. This draft there will be the biggest selection of receivers in many years yet you think spending 2 picks somehow makes sense. I thank God that you actually have nothing to do with the Cowboys.
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Dak_Attack_09 said:
I think a 3rd round this year and a future late round pick next year would do it.
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Another person that thinks nothing about using multiple draft picks for a single player and this one hasn't even been to a single Pro Bowl. This draft there will be the biggest selection of receivers in many years yet you think spending 2 picks somehow makes sense. I thank God that you actually have nothing to do with the Cowboys.
 

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No. This is a deep WR draft. We could draft two at cheaper salaries and be primed for go when Cooper and Gallup are ready to leave - or when we're ready to show them to door.
 
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Techsass said:
I'm perfectly OK with that, but I'm still not understanding why WR has become everybody's biggest need all of the sudden.
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Yea, probably/maybe because its been so long since a SB trophy (25 years), these youngins dont know what it takes to win superbowls......DEEE-FENSE!, DEEE-FENSE! Clap Clap,
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Techsass said:
I'm perfectly OK with that, but I'm still not understanding why WR has become everybody's biggest need all of the sudden.
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Its not our biggest need. In fact, its one of our biggest strengths. All these guys do is say "if all the good defensive players are gone". When the truth is that there will most likely be one sitting right there.

Taking a WR that high would be monumentally dumb. We essentially took a WR with our first pick last year (Cooper). The only team dumb enough to take WR with their first round pick two years in a row was Detroit and they were laughed at for it.

If all good defensive players are gone, then the first thing you do is try and get a great trade back scenario. ONLY if these two things happen should they take the WR.
 
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If all the D is gone and if one is still there and as long as you are not reaching, Yes you take him. Yes the trade back is great BUT it takes 2 to tangle and you may have it where no one is willing to move up. But you are not moving down unless someone is willing to pay you to move up and give up an extra pick.
 
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Techsass said:
I'm perfectly OK with that, but I'm still not understanding why WR has become everybody's biggest need all of the sudden.
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Because we can't ignore the position like we did in 2017 and '18. We lost Cobb and need someone to replace him. Defense seems to be on everyone's mind right now. But scheme plays a role. There's a reason we don't get turnovers and I don't think it's because everyone on D sucks.
 

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Flamma said:
Because we can't ignore the position like we did in 2017 and '18. We lost Cobb and need someone to replace him. Defense seems to be on everyone's mind right now. But scheme plays a role. There's a reason we don't get turnovers and I don't think it's because everyone on D sucks.
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We aren't going to, or at least shouldn't ignore it, but we're talking about a slot receiver. I don't think that's a round 1 or 2 position. Sure there might be somebody that completely redefines the role, but I'm not seeing it right now.
 
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@Dak_Attack_09 Would you rather have Samuel, a proven player looking for serious coin soon, or would you rather have KJ Hill or some other WR in the 3rd or 4th round of this draft, an unproven player with a lot of upside who would be on a rookie contract?

I think the consensus in this thread is to draft a WR and pass on Samuel.
 
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Techsass said:
We aren't going to, or at least shouldn't ignore it, but we're talking about a slot receiver. I don't think that's a round 1 or 2 position. Sure there might be somebody that completely redefines the role, but I'm not seeing it right now.
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I agree. I do not think we should draft a WR in the first two rounds. I think we can get a pretty good one in the 3rd. The 2nd only being a possibility if BPA is heavily in favor of WR. Remember what this thread is about. Trading a pick for a WR that wants to be paid next year. If they're entertaining a 2nd or 3rd pick, why not just draft one instead?
 
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There seems to be some kind of belief with many that a receiver that you draft in the third round or later is automatically going to turn out just fine.

I'm not necessarily in support of this trade scenario, but just because you take a player even from a strong class doesn't mean you are going to get what you are hoping for. For that matter, there are first- and second-round players that fail every year as well. That doesn't mean you don't draft them or have expectations for them, but it doesn't mean a position is automatically fixed just because we drafted a player.
 

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gimmesix said:
There seems to be some kind of belief with many that a receiver that you draft in the third round or later is automatically going to turn out just fine.

I'm not necessarily in support of this trade scenario, but just because you take a player even from a strong class doesn't mean you are going to get what you are hoping for. For that matter, there are first- and second-round players that fail every year as well. That doesn't mean you don't draft them or have expectations for them, but it doesn't mean a position is automatically fixed just because we drafted a player.
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Time for McClay & co. to branch out from their spectacular Oline niche & find us some other future household names.
 
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Techsass said:
Time for McClay & co. to branch out from their spectacular Oline niche & find us some other future household names.
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As always, I hope we hit on all of them, but expect us to find two, maybe three, starters at most.
 
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Dak_Attack_09 said:
Looks like your counter argument is weak and will be ignored.
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You posed a question in the thread title. Then fail to make the sale. I'm not counter arguing anything. I'm just pointing out how your guy is not being bought by the readers because you fail to sell him to your intended audience. But something tells me you already knew this because you reacted to my post with defensiveness. Attempting to deflect from your post what you already know is true of it by assigning that weakness to my point. That's a childish move and won't work because it attempts to deny what everyone already sees in your sales pitch... it's weak.
 
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No....Don't need to be on the books for more help there. This years draft is golden. Rookie contracts have to be part of the equation now, especially regarding 3rd and 4th on the depth chart.
 
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At the mentioned price of a third this year and a late rounder in 2021. I think I would be highly interested depending on how many years of control we would have with his contract or if we could sign him to a reasonable 3-4 year deal that’s agreed to before the trade.
 
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