News: Landon Collins: I'd rather hit Barkely than hit Zeke

aria · Apr 16, 2020

I’d rather hit Barkley but try to tackle Zeke if that makes sense.

kskboys · Apr 16, 2020

This argument really comes down to which Zeke we get this year. If we get the fat Cabo version, he's much easier to tackle. If we can get a toned in shape version, Zeke is harder to tackle by a mile.

nightrain · Apr 16, 2020

aria said:
For our sake, I hope he breaks the bank!

Wouldn't be surprised to see him traded after this season. Got the new Hoodie-like influence in NY nowadays.

BigCatMonaco · Apr 16, 2020

CalPolyTechnique said:
If you’re an idiot you would surmise that.

Equally idiotic is to try and act like dynamic play-making doesn’t matter.

That’s the problem with some of the Zeke is-the-greatest-RB-ever crowd. You waaaay overplay the importance of first-downs and pass protection (which are all important) and underplay primary aspects that are fundamental at any of the skilled offensive positions (RB, WR, TE): making plays.

You think Zeke converting two first downs on an 80-yard drive that doesn’t result in a TD, is somehow more valuable than a RB breaking one loose for a 65-yard TD run.

Zeke is a fantastic RB, but the argumentation to try and prop him up is laughable.

Zeke isn’t a big play threat?

and Michael Thomas just gets first downs on volume.

amari is the dynamic big play threat who isn’t as consistent.

If you can’t see the comparison, you’re willfully ignorant.

CalPolyTechnique said:
If you’re an idiot you would surmise that.

Equally idiotic is to try and act like dynamic play-making doesn’t matter.

That’s the problem with some of the Zeke is-the-greatest-RB-ever crowd. You waaaay overplay the importance of first-downs and pass protection (which are all important) and underplay primary aspects that are fundamental at any of the skilled offensive positions (RB, WR, TE): making plays.

You think Zeke converting two first downs on an 80-yard drive that doesn’t result in a TD, is somehow more valuable than a RB breaking one loose for a 65-yard TD run.

Zeke is a fantastic RB, but the argumentation to try and prop him up is laughable.

last I checked Zeke has more 70+ and 80+ yard TD scores than Saquon, while being multiples more consistent.

kskboys · Apr 16, 2020

Holy crapp. Someone thinks 1st downs and pass protection aren't all that important. New low for the site.

BigCatMonaco · Apr 16, 2020

Proof said:
Not quite sure what point you’re making with the yards after catch?

His catch totals we’re inflated by checkdowns almost always behind the line of scrimmage.

where as Zeke has multiple 70+ yard receiving scores, Barkley’s longest TD catch that wasn’t a trick pass from Odell is a whopping 13 yarder.

BigCatMonaco · Apr 16, 2020

kskboys said:
Holy crapp. Someone thinks 1st downs and pass protection aren't all that important. New low for the site.

They love saquons long runs that helped his team to a combined 8 wins in two seasons.

kskboys · Apr 16, 2020

BigCatMonaco said:
They love saquons long runs that helped his team to a combined 8 wins in two seasons.

1st downs and pass protection are what Brady/Belly have used to win what, 8 super bowls?

aria · Apr 16, 2020

nightrain said:
Wouldn't be surprised to see him traded after this season. Got the new Hoodie-like influence in NY nowadays.

I just don’t see it happening UNLESS the current GM gets fired, which he should have been already. He’s notorious for keeping his own guys and that pick would look even worse if they did trade him.

nalam · Apr 16, 2020

ultron said:
Zeke never gets hurt, Barkley does. Zeke is the better overall RB but the media likes to hype up Barkley as the next big thing yet he has no rushing titles & zeke would’ve easily had 3 if he wasn’t “Goodelled” his sophomore season.

seems that he hasn’t learned anything from being Goodelled ... he is still doing stupid things like the Vegas incident ...

mattjames2010 · Apr 16, 2020

Barkley isn't a bruiser. Different style of runners.

Proof · Apr 16, 2020

BigCatMonaco said:
His catch totals we’re inflated by checkdowns almost always behind the line of scrimmage.

where as Zeke has multiple 70+ yard receiving scores, Barkley’s longest TD catch that wasn’t a trick pass from Odell is a whopping 13 yarder.

Thanks for explaining but I’m still confused how that relates to your original comment. And honestly I’m really not concerned with catch totals or ego had the longest td reception. Barkley had more total yards, higher ypc and more tds. These are pretty solid metrics with which to form a comparison.

Whirlwin · Apr 16, 2020

J12B said:
https://giantswire.usatoday.com/202...UX5PBlH-WJYOA9cxsR6KjLHOu2pSLgjYaazR-nz477Xls

#21

The difference is, you can’t hit Barclay

nightrain · Apr 16, 2020

aria said:
I just don’t see it happening UNLESS the current GM gets fired, which he should have been already. He’s notorious for keeping his own guys and that pick would look even worse if they did trade him.

Gettleman is a clown, but if Judge has taken any influence from Belichick and has any say with the roster, Barkley will be shopped, imo.

aria · Apr 16, 2020

nightrain said:
Gettleman is a clown, but if Judge has taken any influence from Belichick and has any say with the roster, Barkley will be shopped, imo.

Huh...very interesting take! I guess we’ll hav to wait and see. As dumb as I think it would be for the Giants to resign him, even though I think he’s a great RB, I hope you’re right and I’m wrong. I wouldn’t want to have to face him if he actually had a good O line.

Speaking of which, I’ll be curious to see if they go Tackle or Simmons with the first pick. I almost think Gettleman will have to go tackle to protect his other first overall picks or he’ll look even worse. If we already had this conversation, excuse me. Some of these start running together.

As for our other NFCE rivals, Washington is going Young and that defense could potentially be very scary, especially with a defensive guru as their new coach and I think Philthy will most likely go WR.

nightrain · Apr 16, 2020

aria said:
Huh...very interesting take! I guess we’ll hav to wait and see. As dumb as I think it would be for the Giants to resign him, even though I think he’s a great RB, I hope you’re right and I’m wrong. I wouldn’t want to have to face him if he actually had a good O line.

Speaking of which, I’ll be curious to see if they go Tackle or Simmons with the first pick. I almost think Gettleman will have to go tackle to protect his other first overall picks or he’ll look even worse. If we already had this conversation, excuse me. Some of these start running together.

As for our other NFCE rivals, Washington is going Young and that defense could potentially be very scary, especially with a defensive guru as their new coach and I think Philthy will most likely go WR.

Giants are going to trade back and get multiple picks, imo. They will be looking for a stud defender with that #4 pick and if their guy ain't there (he goes top 2), someone is going to want a shot at one of the QBs. Again, that's the Belichick way. Smart and forward thinking.

CalPolyTechnique · Apr 16, 2020

BigCatMonaco said:
Zeke isn’t a big play threat?

and Michael Thomas just gets first downs on volume.

amari is the dynamic big play threat who isn’t as consistent.

If you can’t see the comparison, you’re willfully ignorant.

last I checked Zeke has more 70+ and 80+ yard TD scores than Saquon, while being multiples more consistent.

Cool story bro.

Correct. Zeke is nowhere near the playmaker Barkley is. It’s not even up for debate.

How many 40+ yard plays does Zeke have than Barkley? Let me know if you need help with that. Barkley flips the field. Barkley has 14 in two seasons to Zeke’s 6 for his career.

How many fumbles does Zeke have in just the past two seasons? I’ll help you: Zeke has 9 vs. 1 for Barkley.

But let me guess, durability is more important than ball security, lol.

aria · Apr 16, 2020

nightrain said:
Giants are going to trade back and get multiple picks, imo. They will be looking for a stud defender with that #4 pick and if their guy ain't there (he goes top 2), someone is going to want a shot at one of the QBs. Again, that's the Belichick way. Smart and forward thinking.

Given the opportunity, they should trade back with all the needs they have but I’ve also read their GM has never traded back. I don’t know how much inout their new coach will have which was a puzzling move in itself.

aria · Apr 16, 2020

Whirlwin said:
The difference is, you can’t hit Barclay

Low chance in space.

TheMarathonContinues · Apr 16, 2020

nightrain said:
Giants are going to trade back and get multiple picks, imo. They will be looking for a stud defender with that #4 pick and if their guy ain't there (he goes top 2), someone is going to want a shot at one of the QBs. Again, that's the Belichick way. Smart and forward thinking.

There's a lot to take from Bellicheat. Some good some bad. His drafting isn't a thing I'd take from him.

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