News: Peter King on Dallas' first pick

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Maybe it wasn't an "overdraft" at all.........just better scouting. I hate when people just roll with the pundits and not realize that they could just POSSIBLY be wrong.

It was an overdraft and the reason they took him in round 1 was the 5th year option.

Dallas got very fortunate with Frederick and they evaluated him properly but he was still awful value at the time.

That doesn’t give Dallas a pass to start reaching all the time because it worked out with Frederick.
 

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It was an overdraft and the reason they took him in round 1 was the 5th year option.

Dallas got very fortunate with Frederick and they evaluated him properly but he was still awful value at the time.

That doesn’t give Dallas a pass to start reaching all the time because it worked out with Frederick.
Lol, with other teams it's skill and good scouting, with us it's because we're "very fortunate".....lol some of you guys :facepalm:
 

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Lol, with other teams it's skill and good scouting, with us it's because we're "very fortunate".....lol some of you guys :facepalm:

Well.. We do force picks like Taco too so what do we blame then?

You take risks and reach for players and you will have more Taco’s then Fredericks.

There was no need to get cute with Jaylon Smith either.

Dallas I think does have a good scouting department but they are known to get cute and Frederick is one of the few times I remember they got cute and it worked out for them.

They aren’t genius for drafting Frederick or morons for taking Taco.
 

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lol. I think you misunderstand the meaning of concise. Which was the entire point of the question. You type like foghorn leghorn

Don't be obnoxious. I'll type as I see fit. You can do the same. Otherwise, try ignore. Is that concise enough?
 
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17. DALLAS. “It’s too high for a center,” said one personnel wag, “but they love the Michigan center (Cesar Ruiz), and they could trade down a few spots and still be sure of getting him.” Interesting: a plug-and-play heir to Travis Frederick.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/04/13/nfl-draft-rumors-coronavirus-life-peter-king/

So sick of hearing this when it comes to interior OL. Somehow, the guy's who interior OL play against are worth any and every pick, but the interior OL who are charged with blocking those top picks aren't.

It's just stupid. Not too high to gamble on "potential" but too high to take a sure thing? Not saying this guy is a sure thing, I don't know anything about him. Just saying if he's by far the safest pick on the board and he's the top player, what the hell is the problem?
 

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Yes, a #1 pick would be too high . . . a 2nd or 3rd rounder would seem more fitting, imho. :grin:

I imagine it would be much more in line to take someone like Chaisson that early in the draft.
 
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LMAO at "uhh bad value for center in 1st round". If your going to be a solid day 1 starter at a position of need then that's value.

What's funny is drafting a CB or DE at #17 and then only getting 1 or 2 high level seasons out of them on the cheap rookie deal is spun as "good value" yet drafting a center and getting 4 years of high level play + extra draft pick is spun as "bad value" :rolleyes:
 
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Much rather get my impact player at 17 (do the math, one or two will be there) and then, if I'm that in love with Ruiz, trade back up into late 1st (5th year option) and get him. Me personally, think he can be had in mid-to-early 2nd.

I like Ruiz a lot but if he's the best player we get out of this draft then we are stupid.


our drafting has been bad to horrendous lately. I dont have high epectations.
 

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It was an overdraft and the reason they took him in round 1 was the 5th year option.

Dallas got very fortunate with Frederick and they evaluated him properly but he was still awful value at the time.

That doesn’t give Dallas a pass to start reaching all the time because it worked out with Frederick.
Ehhh....I gotta disagree with you.

"Value," is perceived as what actually happens vs what the media says should happen.

None of them are scouts. Granted, the scouts are wrong often, but because they didnt listen to everyone with a voice's mocks doesnt mean much.
 

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Ehhh....I gotta disagree with you.

"Value," is perceived as what actually happens vs what the media says should happen.

None of them are scouts. Granted, the scouts are wrong often, but because they didnt listen to everyone with a voice's mocks doesnt mean much.

I think that’s easy to say with hindsight but it was a reach by all standards except the Cowboys.

Fortunately for once it worked out.
 

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our drafting has been bad to horrendous lately. I dont have high epectations.
I've done some numbers. I need to take the time to write it up.

The bust numbers are astounding in the NFL draft. Its almost 50% in the top half of round one, 75% in the second half, 82% in round 2, and stunningly higher thereafter.
 

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I think that’s easy to say with hindsight but it was a reach by all standards except the Cowboys.

Fortunately for once it worked out.
I just mentioned in a previous post how high the bust rate is. Dont have time to write it up just yet.

A big part of the point is to simply find a guy who doesnt bust, forget position they play or where you get him vs where the media mocks say they should go.

Really, we all tend to forget, but its stunning how many of these guys miss.
 

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I just mentioned in a previous post how high the bust rate is. Dont have time to write it up just yet.

A big part of the point is to simply find a guy who doesnt bust, forget position they play or where you get him vs where the media mocks say they should go.

Really, we all tend to forget, but its stunning how many of these guys miss.

The problem is Dallas isn’t aggressive enough in FA to make conservative reach moves in the draft..

We need bigtime talents because that is the only real place we will get it.

If K Lavon Chaisson or Henry Ruggs are available then you take them all day every day over Cesar Ruiz at pick 17.. The only way you make Ruiz a Cowboy in the first round is a big trade down that nets us more ammo..

With Frederick they got ripped off in a trade back because they knew nobody was selecting him where we did.
 

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I don’t care how good this center is... at 17 you get the best player available.. But this front office is capable of doing anything.
 

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The problem is Dallas isn’t aggressive enough in FA to make conservative reach moves in the draft..

We need bigtime talents because that is the only real place we will get it.

If K Lavon Chaisson or Henry Ruggs are available then you take them all day every day over Cesar Ruiz at pick 17.. The only way you make Ruiz a Cowboy in the first round is a big trade down that nets us more ammo..

With Frederick they got ripped off in a trade back because they knew nobody was selecting him where we did.
A very large part of the overall problem is fans got conditioned during the Garrett ERA to want an All Pro player at every position.

Thats why using a pre salary cap scheme in the salary cap ERA never added up.

Sometimes you have to scheme to hide your weaknesses, and to take advantage of that of the opponent. That didnt happen w this last staff at all.

Different argument to a point, I get it, but the whole whackamole thing on paper gets exhausting.

You cant have a perfect team on paper. Not in these days.
 
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