Chaisson vs UGA

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That first series was so bad i turned it off. He is def another Taco to me. Meaning a guy who dallas likes that i tried to force myself to like but i cant. Thomas treated him like a child. Anybody who saw the full game. Did it get any better? :facepalm:


Interesting you posted this as I just watched his tape against UGA and he was getting stoned by Thomas for a good portion of the game. Granted every player has bad games but was hoping to see him win a few more reps.

Disagree on the Taco comp though as I don’t think thats a good comparison.
 

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I didnt compare him to Taco as far as his game. Since you didnt act like a little girl like calpoly I'll explain. I mentioned taco because i felt the same about both of them. Guys that dallas liked that i tried to force myself to like. And yes, i wanted to see more from him vs Thomas.
Interesting you posted this as I just watched his tape against UGA and he was getting stoned by Thomas for a good portion of the game. Granted every player has bad games but was hoping to see him win a few more reps.

Disagree on the Taco comp though as I don’t think thats a good comparison.
 

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I didnt compare him to Taco as far as his game. Since you didnt act like a little girl like calpoly I'll explain. I mentioned taco because i felt the same about both of them. Guys that dallas liked that i tried to force myself to like. And yes, i wanted to see more from him vs Thomas.

Oh I see what you mean...

I find myself in the same boat with Chaisson. At this point I’ll be on board with the pick but he’s not my preference. I think he’s a risk/reward player with the tools to be a solid pro I just wish it would’ve translated to more on the field.
 

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Thomas controlled him most of the game but that's pretty standard when talking about a top 10-12 pick LT who may very well be the first OL off the board. Of course on the other side is Isaiah Wilson who is seemingly going to be a top 50 pick and possibly even a late 1st.

At the end of the day Chaisson beat Wilson clean for a sack with an inside spin (Q3/5:56) and beat Thomas for what was a sack for all intents and purposes (Q3/:11). Chaisson got the jump on Thomas with his burst several times but Thomas usually recovered to get back to even with his length, on this particular play Thomas couldn't recover and Chaisson showed great bend to close on the QB. In the boxscore it's an incomplete pass but the eye test tells you that it was 1/10th of a second from a sack or even strip sack, and I'm not totally convinced his hand was moving forward before the ball was out.

Chaisson is raw as far as his pass rush plan/stringing together counter moves so it's not a surprise that Thomas often was able to recover using his length against Chaisson's initial burst, but ultimately Chaisson put up a sack and missed another by a split second against possibly two first round OT's.

What I personally love about his game is that he's very fundamentally sound against the run for his size/age/experience level and doesn't back down against guys outweighing him by 60+ lbs. There are several times where he goes 1-on-1 against either Thomas or Wilson and sets the edge without giving any ground, resulting in runs for little to no gain.

Combine that with the pass rush upside and natural explosiveness that he brings off the edge and that's why I'm taking him 100 times out of 100 over pretty much anybody that's likely to be available at 17. Kinlaw is the one guy I'd take over him, assuming the top WR's are gone.

Other impressive plays in case you're interested:

Q1: 7:54 (sets the edge 1-on-1 vs. Thomas, stacks/sheds and strings the run out to the sideline, goes for no gain), 2:48 (reads screen immediately, doesn't unnecessarily engage Thomas, explodes directly into backfield and knocks down pass)

Q2: 8:40 (sets edge 1-on-1 vs. Wilson, doesn't provide escape route to RB with middle clogged who is forced to dive head first into pile for no gain), 1:46 (gets jump on Thomas with his burst but as he usually does Thomas recovers to stop him from a free run at the QB, Chaisson does gets near the QB and starts working back inside but the ball is out in 2 seconds, it's hard to say Chaisson directly forced the poor decision but it was a rushed decision and a relatively poor one to throw a jump ball towards Stingley who was in better position than the WR when the ball was released, and it was made with Chaisson bearing down and the only LSU rusher near the QB, end result is an INT)

Q3: 7:07 (beats Wilson with a quick inside club, forces early/errant throw), 6:58 (sets the edge again 1-on-1 vs. Thomas on zone RPO action, doesn't get pushed off the LOS even an inch, stacks and holds for several seconds before shedding and again stringing run out to the sideline for little gain)
 
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That first series was so bad i turned it off. He is def another Taco to me. Meaning a guy who dallas likes that i tried to force myself to like but i cant. Thomas treated him like a child. Anybody who saw the full game. Did it get any better? :facepalm:

Turns off after one series....

Great evaluation.

Aikman started out 1-15, we should have cut him.
 

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Chaisson is 20. He is raw. He has zero technique.
But he is still beating NFL caliber OTs with just his athleticism.

And not sure whom said Taco but Taco's issue was effort.
Chaisson doesn't have an motor issues.

Chaisson looks a lot like Demarcus Ware did.
 

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I didnt compare him to Taco as far as his game. Since you didnt act like a little girl like calpoly I'll explain. I mentioned taco because i felt the same about both of them. Guys that dallas liked that i tried to force myself to like. And yes, i wanted to see more from him vs Thomas.

So you didn’t like him after one series and couldn’t finish watching the game because you were so upset by it.

You sound completely emotionally stable.

I’m giving you a hard time because that’s silly.
 

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So you didn’t like him after one series and couldn’t finish watching the game because you were so upset by it.

You sound completely emotionally stable.

I’m giving you a hard time because that’s silly.
I was upset? Bro hop off my nuts lol. In here making up **** to suit your trash arguments. You came in here acting like a sarcastic little girl, i checked you on it. Move on lame
 

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I was upset? Bro hop off my nuts lol. In here making up **** to suit your trash arguments. You came in here acting like a sarcastic little girl, i checked you on it. Move on lame

You started the thread rambling like an emotional lady.

It’s cute that you’re trying to flip it on me now.

Button pushed.
 

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Oh I see what you mean...

I find myself in the same boat with Chaisson. At this point I’ll be on board with the pick but he’s not my preference. I think he’s a risk/reward player with the tools to be a solid pro I just wish it would’ve translated to more on the field.
I definitely have him in the boom or bust category.

Pass rushers are so important and so tough to find that they may not be able to not take the risk, and you never have enough of them.

Those Giants teams that beat Brady were all about pressuring him with 4 guys. Those teams were stacked with depth with edge rushers.
 

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I was upset? Bro hop off my nuts lol. In here making up **** to suit your trash arguments. You came in here acting like a sarcastic little girl, i checked you on it. Move on lame

Hey, we're all pretty active on this draft board and there's consistently only one antagonist and it's you. The rest of us disagree, for sure, but are able to do so without insults
 

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That first series was so bad i turned it off. He is def another Taco to me. Meaning a guy who dallas likes that i tried to force myself to like but i cant. Thomas treated him like a child. Anybody who saw the full game. Did it get any better? :facepalm:


He’s a completely different player then Taco.

Chaisson is a fantastic prospect.. If he busts he busts but the guy checks all the boxes of what you want from that position.

He’s only 20 years old.
 

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Just watched. It tough to say the guy has no skills.

He is a pressure player for sure, and his level of success will depend on all those factors that make guys bust or thrive....system, coaching, comfort, getting money and mailing it in, having to work hard for first time, and all down the line...

He reminds me a lot of Bruce Irvin.

Skinny pass rusher. Not awful, not great.
 

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Just watched. It tough to say the guy has no skills.

He is a pressure player for sure, and his level of success will depend on all those factors that make guys bust or thrive....system, coaching, comfort, getting money and mailing it in, having to work hard for first time, and all down the line...

He reminds me a lot of Bruce Irvin.

Skinny pass rusher. Not awful, not great.


I disagree again..


You guys are completely misevaluating this player.

1. He is 20 years old.

2. He is showing all the traits to do whatever you need at a high level.

He can rush the passer, hold the edge, and drop into coverage.. He is a complete football player as far as potential upside.

3. Speed and athleticism with size? Check and check

He has a lot of Von Miller in his game if anything but looks more Defensive End like when he gets in a 3 point stance and shows ability to bend the edge.


He checks all of the boxes and has superstar potential.. If you’re facing one of these mobile QBs then a player like Chaisson is going to keep a guy like that contained.


I think if he goes back to school and hits 9 or 10 sacks then he is a top 10 and possibly top 5 pick.

With the value that pass rushers have I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go top 10 in this draft.
 

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I disagree again..


You guys are completely misevaluating this player.

1. He is 20 years old.

2. He is showing all the traits to do whatever you need at a high level.

He can rush the passer, hold the edge, and drop into coverage.. He is a complete football player as far as potential upside.

3. Speed and athleticism with size? Check and check

He has a lot of Von Miller in his game if anything but looks more Defensive End like when he gets in a 3 point stance and shows ability to bend the edge.


He checks all of the boxes and has superstar potential.. If you’re facing one of these mobile QBs then a player like Chaisson is going to keep a guy like that contained.


I think if he goes back to school and hits 9 or 10 sacks then he is a top 10 and possibly top 5 pick.

With the value that pass rushers have I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go top 10 in this draft.
Compelling argument.
 

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I disagree again..


You guys are completely misevaluating this player.

1. He is 20 years old.

2. He is showing all the traits to do whatever you need at a high level.

He can rush the passer, hold the edge, and drop into coverage.. He is a complete football player as far as potential upside.

3. Speed and athleticism with size? Check and check

He has a lot of Von Miller in his game if anything but looks more Defensive End like when he gets in a 3 point stance and shows ability to bend the edge.


He checks all of the boxes and has superstar potential.. If you’re facing one of these mobile QBs then a player like Chaisson is going to keep a guy like that contained.


I think if he goes back to school and hits 9 or 10 sacks then he is a top 10 and possibly top 5 pick.

With the value that pass rushers have I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go top 10 in this draft.
I was about to say the same thing.

If he goes back to school....assuming the NCAA would be playing....he could conceivably be a top 10 pick. At 20 years old, he's still going to develop physically. All reports say he's a hard worker, and a team leader.

If Gregory and Smith get reinstated, he wouldn't necessarily have to carry the load. He could develop here.
 

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Just watched. It tough to say the guy has no skills.

He is a pressure player for sure, and his level of success will depend on all those factors that make guys bust or thrive....system, coaching, comfort, getting money and mailing it in, having to work hard for first time, and all down the line...

He reminds me a lot of Bruce Irvin.

Skinny pass rusher. Not awful, not great.
Good comp
 

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I disagree again..


You guys are completely misevaluating this player.

1. He is 20 years old.

2. He is showing all the traits to do whatever you need at a high level.

He can rush the passer, hold the edge, and drop into coverage.. He is a complete football player as far as potential upside.

3. Speed and athleticism with size? Check and check

He has a lot of Von Miller in his game if anything but looks more Defensive End like when he gets in a 3 point stance and shows ability to bend the edge.


He checks all of the boxes and has superstar potential.. If you’re facing one of these mobile QBs then a player like Chaisson is going to keep a guy like that contained.


I think if he goes back to school and hits 9 or 10 sacks then he is a top 10 and possibly top 5 pick.

With the value that pass rushers have I wouldn’t be surprised to see him go top 10 in this draft.
Whoa....I'm neutral here!

I have no issue if they take him at 17. He plays the second most important position on the field IMO.

No one has ANY idea of he will bust or not, and I dont pretend to.

All these guys are like that. I wouldn't be shocked if Chase Young busts.

Really, go back and look at the top 10 of drafts from years back and recall what we thought of those guys before the draft.

In fact, based on pure numbers alone..its likely that one of guys like Young or Okudah will bust.
 
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