Dak is nearly on an elite pace against winning teams!

America's Cowboy said:

It's a fact.

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You whined about someone getting a fact wrong (they did, so that's fair), but then you yourself got facts wrong. You then deflected, went off on a tangent, and just got silly.

And no, it's not a fact that the WRs are all to blame, and Dak is squeaky clean. That is what we call...stupid.

The team's struggles certainly cannot be put all on Dak (as us logical team concept people keep saying), though he definitely does share in a decent sized portion of the "blame."

Including blame for some of those "drops."

johneric8 said:

I get sick and tired of people forcing a narrative on this forum using their jaded feelings and their proverbial expert eye test. Facts are the facts up to this point regarding Dak, so let me preface my post by saying that I'm only providing factual evidence to crush the idiotic narratives that exist against our well deserving and about to be "PAID" franchise quarterback Dak Prescott.

From day 1 I've been one of his biggest fans, and I agree maybe to a fault at times, but for those of you that keep beating the drum that Dak can't win against good teams please enlighten me here a little bit. I will post the facts down below. All I'm saying is lots of guys whom aren't even on Dak's level in regards to winning percentage against good teams got paid so why not Dak? I mean, lets be frank here, Dak is on an elite pace against good teams, the numbers don't lie!

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Being at 43% is not something to crow about, just because some cherry picked QBs are worse. Some QBs on winning teams have got to be net winners against winning teams.

Show the whole list.

Having said that, it's still a team game, including coaching. It's not Dak's record, it's the team's record.

CowboyRoy said:

They beat the Eagles that won the NFC east and won the division and made the playoffs and beat the Rams that were 9-7.

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who was the coach...lol

I've said this and will say this again, judging a qb on wins is moronic, Wins are team stats, Qb is arguably the most dependant position on the field, although he touches the ball on every offensive play he still needs his players around him to win, he needs his defense, his sp. teams.

DFWJC said:

Teams have won-loss records, not QBs

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True, and Tannehill is a good example of that, big time loser at miami, big winner at Tenn. Same QB and skills , just used differently.

The other thing is this stat about beating winning teams is flawed.
If Dallas plays wash early in the season, and skins are 2-1 and dallas wins dak and dallas get credit for beating a team with a winning record, right?
And then if skins dont win another game and wind up 2-14 what did that win really mean?

I think it only means something the last few weeks of the season, and even then if a team has the div wrapped up they might not play all their players,
but anyone beating them would get credit for beating a team with a winning record.

Also you might wind up playing a team with winning record but their qb is out that week, maybe some other key players, so you beat them,
and get credit for the win.

And then sometimes the toughest games of the year may be with a team with a losing record, but they are playing good and all revved up
to beat that team that week. and if you beat them , no credit for the win because they did not have a winning record.

I think this can apply to playoff games because most of the teams in playoffs are the better teams for that season, but a few weak teams
always get in too, and you might not get to play the weak team, but instead have to play a strong team the 1st game.
The top seeds get the weakest teams usually, so winning or losing in playoffs can be used like people are using this winning record stuff.

And then like the qoute above , teams lose and win games, not qb's , at least most of the time, they are a big part of it, but unless
they throw 3 ints and fumble the ball etc, it is a team loss usually.
A few years back a qb for houston had 5 ints in a playoff game, and you could say he lost the game, I saw it and he was the main reason they lost,
but there were some other bad play by other players too.

johneric8 said:

There we go again forgetting that the rest of the team AKA Defense, helps win games, it wasn't just Romo playing well while injured but also the team holding things together.. All I'm saying the last game of the season is a horrible game to pinpoint because our team was just waiting to fail under the freckled puppets leadership.. Dak couldn't throw at all accurately in the Eagles game and he should of been held out, but Jerry wanted Garrett to keep his job.. It was all pure stupidity if you ask me.. Look, I posted this thread in the first place to disprove that Dak couldn't win against winning teams and I did that! That stats don't lie man, and if you look at Brees's stats his are accumulated over many losing and bad statistical seasons as well, so you can't cherry pick.

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What was his record last year against teams with winning records?

Wood said:

Winless against winning teams in 2019.

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Rams, and Eagles had winning records and the Cowboys were 2-1 versus those teams in 2019. You really need to look at the records when the Cowboys played the team and how the team finished the season. The Bears were 6-6 when they played the Cowboys won and became 7-6 then finished the year 8-8. The Bills were 8-3 vs the Cowboys 6-5. Bills finished 10-6 and Cowboys finished 8-8. Bills won one game and the Cowboys won 2 games after playing each other. Every game counts.

rocyaice said:

Right. Wants to give Romo all the credit for W's but none for losses. I hate it here lol.

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No, I have him credit for playing with a punctured lung and also throwing the pass that basically won the that game. I can just about GM five you a list of total Romo chokes during the first part of his career. The last half of his career was a different matter. When Romo stopped trying to do too much , which caused stupid mistakes, he was a great QB. Unfortunately, some of the posters on this board don’t consider that he improved and was elite towards the end of his career. Those same posters have also insulted and degraded other Dallas HOF QBs in an attempt to build Dak up. This approach is pathetic. Oh yes, Dak is much better than the HOF , three time Super Bowl winning QB that was known as one of the most accurate QBs in NFL history. Yeah, Dak is really that great. Lol

Kevinicus said:

You whined about someone getting a fact wrong (they did, so that's fair), but then you yourself got facts wrong. You then deflected, went off on a tangent, and just got silly.

And no, it's not a fact that the WRs are all to blame, and Dak is squeaky clean. That is what we call...stupid.

The team's struggles certainly cannot be put all on Dak (as us logical team concept people keep saying), though he definitely does share in a decent sized portion of the "blame."

Including blame for some of those "drops."

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Oh no, Dak is never responsible for any bad play. He can.’the be. He is comparable to Brady.

Surely the record of the team at the end of the season is what is used for this stat?

I do agree that at what time of the season each team plays one another is also of huge importance.

E.g. when the Cowboys played the Dolphins last season, they were absolutely dreadful. They had conceded over 100 points in their opening two games and only put up ten points themselves!!! They beat the Eagles having won two of their prior four games and subsequently won in Foxboro. It was still a bad loss for the Eagles but the Miami Dolphins team that the Cowboys and Eagles faced were night and day and both teams scored 31 points versus the Dolphins.

CowboyRoy said:

Its just a bunch of trolls that dont understand QB play or football. Just put up the stats that blow away their dumb theories, laugh, and move on. Kinda just like you did here.

But dont think you are ever going to change the mind of the "TRAIL OF TEARS". Nothing but a bunch of lost cry babies. Still havent gotten over Romo being passed over by Dak. And then being wrong for 4 years is just too much for them to stomach.

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Haven't spoken to you in a long time, but I have to say... you are dead on correct with this post.
Bravo!

PAPPYDOG said:

One look at the video verifies the Greatness of Dak and how he played flawlessly against the Eagles for the division title!!
How dare those haters point their fingers at Dak???

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Worse than I remember! Dear me.

jnday said:

No, I have him credit for playing with a punctured lung and also throwing the pass that basically won the that game. I can just about GM five you a list of total Romo chokes during the first part of his career. The last half of his career was a different matter. When Romo stopped trying to do too much , which caused stupid mistakes, he was a great QB. Unfortunately, some of the posters on this board don’t consider that he improved and was elite towards the end of his career. Those same posters have also insulted and degraded other Dallas HOF QBs in an attempt to build Dak up. This approach is pathetic. Oh yes, Dak is much better than the HOF , three time Super Bowl winning QB that was known as one of the most accurate QBs in NFL history. Yeah, Dak is really that great. Lol

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I don't think he improved I think the just got a better supporting cast starting with the offensive line and the emphasis on the run. Romo benefited from that. Romo ain't no HOF QB to even disrespect. Unless you're talking about Aikman.....but you're reaching. Saying that Aikman isn't the greatest quarterback of all time isn't a slight towards Aikman that's just what it is. Aikman had a stacked team. Just like Emmitt ran behind a great line. Doesn't make them bad.

jnday said:

This team has been ruined since the mid 90’s. Dak has had little effect on ruining this team. The sad part of this situation is that he will ruin the future of this team and you will be cheering him on while he does it. I quit having high hopes about 20 years ago, so he hasn’t effect my hopes any way it goes.

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He hasn’t “effect” your hopes?

I think you meant “affected”, with an A.

Didn’t you recently claim to be a MENSA member???????

rocyaice said:

I don't think he improved I think the just got a better supporting cast starting with the offensive line and the emphasis on the run. Romo benefited from that. Romo ain't no HOF QB to even disrespect. Unless you're talking about Aikman.....but you're reaching. Saying that Aikman isn't the greatest quarterback of all time isn't a slight towards Aikman that's just what it is. Aikman had a stacked team. Just like Emmitt ran behind a great line. Doesn't make them bad.

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I am talking about Aikman and the total disrespect shown to him by Cowboy fans in an effort to build Dak up. Running down a Cowboy legend like Aikman to make Dak look food is pathetic. Romo, in the other hand, was a different situation. Early in his career, he would try to force passes, panic under pressure and rush plays which earned him the label choker. Later in his career, he starter playing much smarter and started depending on other players that he could trust. The last five years or so of his career, he became much more mature and he was as good as any QB in the league. If anything, I was not a Romosexual. I started threads labeling him as a choke artist, so it took years of good play for me to buy in on Romo being a top QB . One small point to consider is that Romo was accurate enough to bring our the best in WR Dez Bryant. Romo could throw back shoulder passes, fades to the back corner of the end zone and slants that were in the money and hit Dez in stride which produced some big plays for the Cowboys.

I believe some of Dak's struggles against the top teams was brought upon by coaching (or a complete lack thereof) .

Too often the opposition would jump out ahead and Prescott would be forced to play come-from-behind.Another thing related to coaching is dumb penalties at the absolute worst time(s).............................And we all know game planning and adjustments , whether in game or at halftime,were virtually nonexistent .

Plus having the worst special teams in all of football isn't very helpful..............................

jnday said:

I am talking about Aikman and the total disrespect shown to him by Cowboy fans in an effort to build Dak up. Running down a Cowboy legend like Aikman to make Dak look food is pathetic. Romo, in the other hand, was a different situation. Early in his career, he would try to force passes, panic under pressure and rush plays which earned him the label choker. Later in his career, he starter playing much smarter and started depending on other players that he could trust. The last five years or so of his career, he became much more mature and he was as good as any QB in the league. If anything, I was not a Romosexual. I started threads labeling him as a choke artist, so it took years of good play for me to buy in on Romo being a top QB . One small point to consider is that Romo was accurate enough to bring our the best in WR Dez Bryant. Romo could throw back shoulder passes, fades to the back corner of the end zone and slants that were in the money and hit Dez in stride which produced some big plays for the Cowboys.

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I'm not sure what you are talking about in regards to Aikman being disrespected. Are you letting what one guy said determine how bunch of people feel about him? Especially on this site?

mattjames2010 said:

Same record as Garrett the past 4 years. Guess we should have kept him. Guess Garrett was really good against winning teams.

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What's Garrett record without Dak or Romo?

America's Cowboy said:

Hey, ignoramous, try to follow along. That video and thread PROVING the WRs dropped a league-leading amount of passes proves you wrong. Dak is not without blame with a few of his passes, but them receivers greatly contributed to them 2019 losses.

I know such facts are eating you alive, but I enjoy watching you not be able to accept such facts like a big boy.

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Notice that the vast majority of the passes in that video were in wins.

Also note how you are again focused on your deflection and tangents.

Wood said:

Winless against winning teams in 2019.

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Coach who got fired