Twitter: Fish is adamant Dallas wants to trade for Jamal Adams

Toro9 · Apr 21, 2020

After Earl Thomas, I'm not getting my hopes up for an elite safety.. (or any elite player) via trade. What was the last big trade they did? Joey Galloway?? Oh, I almost forgot Roy Williams, the WR.

Kwyn · Apr 21, 2020

conner01 said:
There are no sure things anywhere
But how many max contract players do you think we can afford
There is no way to build your roster with all expensive players
He will get over 14 million in a new contract
How many of those contracts can you have on one roster

You can’t have too many of them, obviously, but can you have at least two on defense? Is that too many? We have D-Law in the front seven. I think it’s reasonable to have one in the secondary.

He would instantly be our best or second best defensive player depending on how you rate D-Law.

ksg811 · Apr 21, 2020

Toro9 said:
After Earl Thomas, I'm not getting my hopes up for an elite safety.. Or any elite player. Who was the last big name they traded for? Joey Galloway?? Oh, I almost forgot Roy Williams, the WR.

Forget about Amari Cooper already?

BigTimeBlues · Apr 21, 2020

Toro9 said:
After Earl Thomas, I'm not getting my hopes up for an elite safety.. Or any elite player. Who was the last big name they traded for? Joey Galloway?? Oh, I almost forgot Roy Williams, the WR.

Depends on what you would consider a "big name"?

Bennett and Cooper are the most recent.

Stash · Apr 21, 2020

JBS said:
No argument here. Trading away 17 and cap space for adams doesn't stop me from using more resources on the defense.

It certainly does when its costing you both a 1st round pick AND top of the market salary for a strong safety. It absolutely does.

What it does do, is locks in a great player at a position of need, w available funds that can be used

Yeah, you can sign one player or several.

I choose several.

tomsanders921 · Apr 21, 2020

CalPolyTechnique said:
It’s from Fish, so take it for what it’s worth:

Emphasis on the “Dallas WANTS to try to do this.”

So if we do this, we will have the highest paid QB in the league (happening soon), 2nd highest paid rb, a top paid wr. And then we get Adams and make him the highest paid safety in the league. Not to mention the deal we just gave tank last year as well.

ksg811 · Apr 21, 2020

tomsanders921 said:
So if we do this, we will have the highest paid QB in the league (happening soon), 2nd highest paid rb, a top paid wr. And then we get Adams and make him the highest paid safety in the league. Not to mention the deal we just gave tank last year as well.

Yes, with cap space to spare both this year and in the future.

JBS · Apr 21, 2020

stasheroo said:
It certainly does when its costing you both a 1st round pick AND top of the market salary for a strong safety. It absolutely does.

Yeah, you can sign one player or several.

I choose several.

Are you suggesting that if we aquire and sign adams we can't use any other funds on defense? I'll take that bet all day

Stash · Apr 21, 2020

JBS said:
Are you suggesting that if we aquire and sign adams we can't use any other funds on defense? I'll take that bet all day

I'm not "suggesting" anything.

I'm stating the fact that trading a 1st round pick for Jamal Adams and then having to pay him in excess of $14 million a year means that there is far less cap money available for this team to continue to improve their defense.

I know that some fans want to have their cake and eat it too and think that the team can just trade away top draft commodities like nothing and print money.

The 'Madden Football Mentality' is real.

Stash · Apr 21, 2020

ksg811 said:
Yes, with cap space to spare both this year and in the future.

Sure thing...

JBS · Apr 21, 2020

stasheroo said:
I'm not "suggesting" anything.

I'm stating the fact that trading a 1st round pick for Jamal Adams and then having to pay him in excess of $14 million a year means that there is far less cap money available for this team to continue to improve their defense.

I know that some fans want to have their cake and eat it too and think that the team can just trade away top draft commodities like nothing and print money.

The 'Madden Football Mentality' is real.

Yeah, all of this would be true if the Cowboys had a slew of other players tied down to big contracts. They do not. Adding Adams and paying him wouldn't stop this team from doing anything they wanted or needed to do in the future. That is a fact.

tomsanders921 · Apr 21, 2020

ksg811 said:
Yes, with cap space to spare both this year and in the future.

I don't think we can afford to give up the first pick in the draft without knowing what's going to happen with Gregory and aldon Smith. I would rather draft a pass rusher. Getting pressure on the QB is the most important aspect of a defense in today's nfl. You can never have too many pass rushers

Stash · Apr 21, 2020

JBS said:
Yeah, all of this would be true if the Cowboys had a slew of other players tied down to big contracts. They do not. Adding Adams and paying him wouldn't stop this team from doing anything they wanted or needed to do in the future. That is a fact.

That is a lie.

You know it, I know it, and anyone who who bothers to look at this team's cap numbers knows it.

Lie to yourself, not to me.

ksg811 · Apr 21, 2020

stasheroo said:
I'm not "suggesting" anything.

I'm stating the fact that trading a 1st round pick for Jamal Adams and then having to pay him in excess of $14 million a year means that there is far less cap money available for this team to continue to improve their defense.

I know that some fans want to have their cake and eat it too and think that the team can just trade away top draft commodities like nothing and print money.

The 'Madden Football Mentality' is real.

So there's no cap space to sign Adams to $12 million AAV (net extension) but there is $20m AAV for Byron Jones and a lottery ticket? That $8m can get you Everson Griffen. I'd much rather have Adams and Griffen than Jones and Chaisson, and I'm a big fan of Chaisson. Never mind the additional $8m in space we'd get for finally dumping Crawford.

ksg811 · Apr 21, 2020

tomsanders921 said:
I don't think we can afford to give up the first pick in the draft without knowing what's going to happen with Gregory and aldon Smith. I would rather draft a pass rusher. Getting pressure on the QB is the most important aspect of a defense in today's nfl. You can never have too many pass rushers

They're getting reinstated. Even with the questions, there are plenty of FA pass rushers still available for cheap. Adams makes an impact at every level of the defense. He's a 2 time all-pro for a reason. He would come in and instantly be the best player on the defense and change the culture with his play, work ethic, and leadership.

Stash · Apr 21, 2020

tomsanders921 said:
I don't think we can afford to give up the first pick in the draft without knowing what's going to happen with Gregory and aldon Smith. I would rather draft a pass rusher. Getting pressure on the QB is the most important aspect of a defense in today's nfl. You can never have too many pass rushers

And I think that's exactly what this team prefers to do. Their #1 target right now is K'Lavon Chaisson. If he's there at #17, I very much believe that he will be their pick.

My feeling is that they are trying to strengthen their front seven and pass rush as much as possible to help cover for an underwhelming secondary that is in transition.

Stash · Apr 21, 2020

ksg811 said:
So there's no cap space to sign Adams to $12 million AAV (net extension)

Where did you get this phoney number from?

but there is $20m AAV for Byron Jones and a lottery ticket?

Is Jones here? And show us where he got paid $20 million a year. More phoney numbers.

That $8m can get you Everson Griffen. I'd much rather have Adams and Griffen than Jones and Chaisson, and I'm a big fan of Chaisson.

Why is Jones being mentioned? There's no do-over on that, they made their decision.

JBS · Apr 21, 2020

stasheroo said:
That is a lie.

You know it, I know it, and anyone who who bothers to look at this team's cap numbers knows it.

Lie to yourself, not to me.

Hahaha. It's not a lie because there is nobody else on the roster that's in line to get paid. It will prevent them from going out and splurging in free agency, but guess what, they don't do the anyways.. So it won't stop them from doing anything

tomsanders921 · Apr 21, 2020

ksg811 said:
They're getting reinstated. Even with the questions, there are plenty of FA pass rushers still available for cheap. Adams makes an impact at every level of the defense. He's a 2 time all-pro for a reason. He would come in and instantly be the best player on the defense and change the culture with his play, work ethic, and leadership.

But even if they get reinstated, they haven't played in this league for a long time. To make matters worse, the off-season program is now pretty much non existent as far as practices and team workouts go. I don't think u can count on either one of those guys as your early season starter, if at all this season

Stash · Apr 21, 2020

JBS said:
Hahaha. It's not a lie because there is nobody else on the roster that's in line to get paid.

That doesn't let them - or more importantly you - off the hook. Everybody's salaries are going up. Cooper's cost nearly doubles. More facts that you want to try to ignore in your 'Madden football' pursuit of a name. So yeah, it is a lie. Untrue. False.

It will prevent them from going out and splurging in free agency, but guess what, they don't do the anyways.. So it won't stop them from doing anything

It also prevents them from keeping anyone that might be due for free agency. Like maybe the entire rest of the secondary. But hey, maybe Adams can play all four positions himself?

But keep lying to yourself.

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