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Gaede

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Chaisson.

I get major bust vibes from Henderson. Whereas no one questions Chaisson's character, effort, or intelligence
 

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I like Chaisson. Now I have not watched him live and have only watched highlights and read about his strong character. His lack of production is a little concerning but I am hopeful that the player at the end of the year is the real guy who needed some time after injury.

for me the sack against TX was the real wow moment. He comes through the middle and the TX qb is pretty mobile and Chaisson looks like a lion going after his prey when he changes direction. There are not a lot of prospects who can move like that.
 

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If one of them are at 17. You take whoever it is. But if both of them are there. That’s tough to decide. I think you go Henderson. More of a need. And on some boards the next cb in this draft.
 

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I think there’s a good chance at least one of these guys falls to us. Even if they are both there, or only one, which one would you rather have and why?

Personally I’m a lot more concerned with our secondary than LB’er/edge so for me it’s a no brainer and I would love to get Henderson. His biggest flaw is tackling but I think that is easily coachable.

For me it's Chaisson as I still feel that there are far too many question marks about the potential pass rush.

Aldon Smith hasn't played football in several years. Randy Gregory has been in and out of football for several years now. And both need to be reinstated before they can even begin to take part in what is sure to be a shortened offseason program. Crawford is simply not suited for RDE and brings nothing in terms of pass rush.

While I definitely think that cornerback is a significant need, I think I can still get a pretty good one in rounds two and three.

And it is my belief that the team is prioritizing a strong front seven and pass rush to cover for a secondary in transition.
 

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I think there’s a good chance at least one of these guys falls to us. Even if they are both there, or only one, which one would you rather have and why?

Personally I’m a lot more concerned with our secondary than LB’er/edge so for me it’s a no brainer and I would love to get Henderson. His biggest flaw is tackling but I think that is easily coachable.

Henderson is a plug and play impact starter. Day 1 he be an excellent cover corner, the biggest worry is his lack of tackling or not being physical enough. He will need to develop on and off the field, but would be the best corner we have on the roster right now. I just cannot see him falling to 17, too many teams need CB's and it has been reported that many teams see a huge drop-off at the position after him.

I am really hoping the team does draft Chaisson. He is an ascending prospect, played his best football in the most meaningful games last season. Certainly, lack of production and a injury history makes him risky, but appears to be the right type of guy, loves football and will put in the work to get better.
 

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Chaisson by far.

Henderson gave up 5 40+ yard plays in 9 games last year, let that sink in.

Many argue that Chaisson is simply a pure bet on athleticism/upside, and to some extent he is, but I feel like he was extremely productive last year, particularly over the last half in the biggest games. With that said I'd argue Henderson is more of a gamble on athleticism/upside. His technique is sloppy and he often gets complacent/loses focus and gives up big plays, you're basically gambling that a coaching staff can mold his quickness/speed/COD into a professional CB, and if they could you'd have an elite player, but that's always a big gamble especially when you're talking about a player who already seems to be in the habit of making "business decisions".

On the flip side Chaisson is also an elite athlete but he doesn't shy away from physicality at all, and in fact he is often the one looking to physically engage OL in the running game who outweigh him by 50-60 lbs, he consistently showed the ability to set the edge, even against guys like Andrew Thomas, Isaiah Wilson and Jedrick Wills. On top of that he wore the 18 at LSU, which is reserved for their best leaders, those of the highest character/work ethic both on and off the field.

I'll gamble on that guy over the CB making business decisions and busting coverages every other game.
 

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Chaisson by far.

Henderson gave up 5 40+ yard plays in 9 games last year, let that sink in.

Many argue that Chaisson is simply a pure bet on athleticism/upside, and to some extent he is, but I feel like he was extremely productive last year, particularly over the last half in the biggest games. With that said I'd argue Henderson is more of a gamble on athleticism/upside. His technique is sloppy and he often gets complacent/loses focus and gives up big plays, you're basically gambling that a coaching staff can mold his quickness/speed/COD into a professional CB, and if they could you'd have an elite player, but that's always a big gamble especially when you're talking about a player who already seems to be in the habit of making "business decisions".

On the flip side Chaisson is also an elite athlete but he doesn't shy away from physicality at all, and in fact he is often the one looking to physically engage OL in the running game who outweigh him by 50-60 lbs, he consistently showed the ability to set the edge, even against guys like Andrew Thomas, Isaiah Wilson and Jedrick Wills. On top of that he wore the 18 at LSU, which is reserved for their best leaders, those of the highest character/work ethic both on and off the field.

I'll gamble on that guy over the CB making business decisions and busting coverages every other game.

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Chaisson.

I might even take McKinney over Henderson. Henderson flashes at times but his aversion to tackling or even trying to tackle along with the fact he seems susceptible to the big play scares me.

I am kind of hoping there is a trade down scenario for us where we can get another 2nd or 3rd rounder. But if we stick at 17, I am hoping it's one these guys:

- Chaisson
- Kinlaw
- McKinney
- One of the WRs
 

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I'd take Chaisson over Henderson. I'm pretty sure Chaisson is the 2nd best pass rusher and a heap better than 2nd round options. I'm not sure Henderson is the 2nd best corner and if he is, it's not by much compared to other 2nd round corners.
 

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my personal top 3 remain in order:
Kinlaw -- rarest of all body types.
Henderson -- fills immediate need with elite speed and physical tools to develop into a pro bowler more quickly than BJ31 did.
Chiasson -- Most upside available at that area of draft. Could be as good as Khalil Mack in 3 years. Or could bust out if he gets dinged up and doesn't develop pass rush moves.
 

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Chaisson by far.

Henderson gave up 5 40+ yard plays in 9 games last year, let that sink in.

Many argue that Chaisson is simply a pure bet on athleticism/upside, and to some extent he is, but I feel like he was extremely productive last year, particularly over the last half in the biggest games. With that said I'd argue Henderson is more of a gamble on athleticism/upside. His technique is sloppy and he often gets complacent/loses focus and gives up big plays, you're basically gambling that a coaching staff can mold his quickness/speed/COD into a professional CB, and if they could you'd have an elite player, but that's always a big gamble especially when you're talking about a player who already seems to be in the habit of making "business decisions".

On the flip side Chaisson is also an elite athlete but he doesn't shy away from physicality at all, and in fact he is often the one looking to physically engage OL in the running game who outweigh him by 50-60 lbs, he consistently showed the ability to set the edge, even against guys like Andrew Thomas, Isaiah Wilson and Jedrick Wills. On top of that he wore the 18 at LSU, which is reserved for their best leaders, those of the highest character/work ethic both on and off the field.

I'll gamble on that guy over the CB making business decisions and busting coverages every other game.
It's not as if those 5 plays were him just getting straight up abused like Ja'Maar Chase did to AJ Terrell.

1 vs. Auburn - Mental lapse/blown coverage - this is his fault, but has nothing to do with his ability.

2 vs. LSU - Pick play Ja'Maar Chase TD - clearly not his fault.

3 vs. South Carolina -Flea flicker, great leaping contested catch by Bryan Edwards - He got hung out to dry by his safety who bit on the flea flicker, but showed great recovery speed and was able to contest the catch. Just a fantastic play by Edwards.

4 vs. Mizzou - Couldn't see the all-22, but he was in off coverage and could've been zone.

5 vs. FSU - Had outside leverage and looked like he was expecting help from his safety, who bit on PA.


Looking at numbers without context can lead to bad takes.
 

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It's not as if those 5 plays were him just getting straight up abused like Ja'Maar Chase did to AJ Terrell.

1 vs. Auburn - Mental lapse/blown coverage - this is his fault, but has nothing to do with his ability.

2 vs. LSU - Pick play Ja'Maar Chase TD - clearly not his fault.

3 vs. South Carolina -Flea flicker, great leaping contested catch by Bryan Edwards - He got hung out to dry by his safety who bit on the flea flicker, but showed great recovery speed and was able to contest the catch. Just a fantastic play by Edwards.

4 vs. Mizzou - Couldn't see the all-22, but he was in off coverage and could've been zone.

5 vs. FSU - Had outside leverage and looked like he was expecting help from his safety, who bit on PA.


Looking at numbers without context can lead to bad takes.


I'm not really interested in why he gave up those big plays.That's a lot of big plays from a 'shutdown' CB
 

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I'm not really interested in why he gave up those big plays.That's a lot of big plays from a 'shutdown' CB
Well then you're neglecting a big part of the evaluation process. The "why" is what matters.
 

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It's not as if those 5 plays were him just getting straight up abused like Ja'Maar Chase did to AJ Terrell.

1 vs. Auburn - Mental lapse/blown coverage - this is his fault, but has nothing to do with his ability.

2 vs. LSU - Pick play Ja'Maar Chase TD - clearly not his fault.

3 vs. South Carolina -Flea flicker, great leaping contested catch by Bryan Edwards - He got hung out to dry by his safety who bit on the flea flicker, but showed great recovery speed and was able to contest the catch. Just a fantastic play by Edwards.

4 vs. Mizzou - Couldn't see the all-22, but he was in off coverage and could've been zone.

5 vs. FSU - Had outside leverage and looked like he was expecting help from his safety, who bit on PA.


Looking at numbers without context can lead to bad takes.

Yea, I watched all those games, I also watched the Georgia game where he gave up a big PI downfield because he couldn't get his head turned. And the downfield play against LSU that should've been another TD if not for the PI that went uncalled when he clearly pulled Chase's jersey/towel. And a handful of other decent sized gains against a very mediocre FSU team.

I realize why he's in the conversation to go top 10-15, his athletic tools are undeniable and if you can clean them up you'll have an excellent player. But at the end of the day that's a hell of alot of big plays allowed in only 9 games for a guy going in the top 10-15, no matter what excuses you want to make, especially when that guy is an absolutely horrendous tackler.

If we were picking at 22, sure, I'd be way more on board, or if the other available options were a bit different, but that's too much risk for me to take a CB over an impact DL/edge rusher in either Kinlaw or Chaisson.
 

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I'm confident they would take henderson in this scenario. I'm also confident henderson will not be there

Chaisson is my pick at 17..my pick for what will happen
 

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Huh, interesting. Just catching up to this thread and initially it seemed more pro Henderson but more people started chiming in about Chaisson, I’d guess it’s split about 50/50 right now.
 

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Oh, and if he's going to give up 50 yard TD's on rub concepts against elite WR's when in man coverage as he did against Chase, he's going to be giving up a lot of TD's that are "clearly not his fault" in the NFL.
 

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This scenario, give me Chaisson over Henderson.


Chaisson will come in and help with defensive line rotation before I see Henderson coming to Dallas and starting over Lewis, Chido, or Brown at the start of this season (which most of them are in contract years).
 
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