Brouddus names WR's the Cowboys are considering

Future said:

WR3 is a starter and passing offense is by far the most important part of a team.

There is no more pressing need than WR.

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Cowboys need a slot WR. Every year there are plenty of 4th round, 5th round, and even undrafted guys that contribute at the slot.

JBell said:

KJ Hill, Mims, Pittman, Proche, Duvernay, Reagor, Shenault were the names he mentioned.

He said we probably won't take a WR in the first 3 rounds because of how deep it is and proceeds to mention mainly guys who will be taken in the first 3 rounds lol.

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Yeah..

It's called poetic license to make yourself look like an idiot.

It's pretty obvious those WRs and QBs early in the draft are going to push some needed talent our way.

I would like to see us trade our 2nd rd pick and move up into the late 1st or early 2nd to really grab two starters.

Maybe.

The reason being is supposedly after the 20th pick..those guys are largely high high second rds and not really 1st rd talent.

Teams will be aggressively trying to move up to score a hit on a pick.

We should do the same instead of waiting for the 2nd rd pick to come to us.

kumizi said:

Cowboys need a slot WR. Every year there are plenty of 4th round, 5th round, and even undrafted guys that contribute at the slot.

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Not really. Of the 15 guys drafted after the third round last year, 3 caught 30 or more balls. One of them was Kevin Harmon, who isn't a legitimate NFL talent. All 3 were contributors on horrible passing offenses.

But the point is that Dallas can get a third WR who can be a difference-maker, not just a warm body. I don't understand the aversion to make WR a position of strength.

DFWJC said:

Sometimes the wrong reason
Derwin James in 2018 fell to 17 for no good reason, for example


But as I said, with this deep WR class, I'd try to trade down in that situation if I got a good deal. But if I didn't, I'd take the player.

Then again, maybe Dallas doesn't even have Lamb or Jedy tiered separated from a bunch of other players that would also be on the board. Different story then.

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James fell because he is a safety. Really good player but team's rate safeties as a non-premium position.
I played safety so I think you should get one that changes games but many teams don't agree with me.

And yea that second part is what I was getting at.
If a team has a really consistent Cole Beasley type WR, Jeudy doesn't make an R1 difference for them.
But in DAL with home run hitters in Cooper and Gallup, Jeudy would be a chef's kiss.
Then again so would a lot of reliable guys they can get in rounds 2 or 3.
Does DAL has any real grade difference between Jefferson and Jeudy like many do? I don't know but it'd seem on game days to be negligible.
And Jefferson might have the higher upside as future #2 to Gallup in 3 years.

WR has guys uber sexy draftees every draft.
Passing always has value and teams are producing WR galore.
As a Texas Tech fan we have spent a decade recruiting nothing 4 star caliber but WR and QB. We don't win.

Future said:

Not really. Of the 15 guys drafted after the third round last year, 3 caught 30 or more balls. One of them was Kevin Harmon, who isn't a legitimate NFL talent. All 3 were contributors on horrible passing offenses.

But the point is that Dallas can get a third WR who can be a difference-maker, not just a warm body. I don't understand the aversion to make WR a position of strength.

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LOL.
Pointing out 3 guys did it last year is proof it can be done.
WR in round 1 would be stupid. Why do you want to be obviously wrong?
Zero points line up in favor of WR at 17.
There is ZERO logic to it.

I get the guttural lure but when presented with actual facts it just looks dumb.
Don't hold on to dumb. Let it go.

But who cares what round 5 holds.
DAL got Gallup 2 years ago in round 3 with the same front office.
They don't need to anything different this year at WR.
Perhaps draft a defender that can actually play at 17.
An actual day 1 upgrade.

BTW, last year N'Keal Harry went to the Pats in round 1. He had 12 catches.
The Commanders drafted McLaurin in round 3 and he was their best pick of the last decade with 58 catches as a rookie.
SEA likewise with their best pick in 3 or 4 years w DK Metcalf late 3rd.

jterrell said:

LOL.
Pointing out 3 guys did it last year is proof it can be done.
WR in round 1 would be stupid. Why do you want to be obviously wrong?
Zero points line up in favor of WR at 17.
There is ZERO logic to it.

I get the guttural lure but when presented with actual facts it just looks dumb.
Don't hold on to dumb. Let it go.

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I don't think it's dumb at all, in fact there is some logic to it.

Dallas has two solid starters at WR, but beyond that is a whole bunch of unknown. What happens if/when Cooper's quad, or whatever, flares back up? Can Gallup hold down the #1 without a threat opposite of him?

At 17, if you have a solid blue chip prospect at WR with a top 10 grade..as opposed to a bottom tier defender..you take that top 10 grade, correct? Otherwise you'd be reaching off of need, right?

There are holes all over this team, and depth is questionable..at best..over a lot of positions. But adding another #1 caliber weapon, on an offense that could have used a few more points last year, is far from dumb.

jterrell said:

LOL.
Pointing out 3 guys did it last year is proof it can be done.
WR in round 1 would be stupid. Why do you want to be obviously wrong?
Zero points line up in favor of WR at 17.
There is ZERO logic to it.

I get the guttural lure but when presented with actual facts it just looks dumb.
Don't hold on to dumb. Let it go.

But who cares what round 5 holds.
DAL got Gallup 2 years ago in round 3 with the same front office.
They don't need to anything different this year at WR.
Perhaps draft a defender that can actually play at 17.
An actual day 1 upgrade.

BTW, last year N'Keal Harry went to the Pats in round 1. He had 12 catches.
The Commanders drafted McLaurin in round 3 and he was their best pick of the last decade with 58 catches as a rookie.
SEA likewise with their best pick in 3 or 4 years w DK Metcalf late 3rd.

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3 out of 15 is proof that you're more likely to get nothing in those rounds.

WR in round 1 is the smartest pick you can make, because WR3 is a starter and the passing game is the most important thing for a team to build.

You haven't prevented any facts, just blather about how little you understand about the NFL in 2020.

Harry was hurt all year. The post I responded to specifically mentioned AFTER round 3, so McLaurin wasn't included.

Good hustle though.

JBell said:

KJ Hill, Mims, Pittman, Proche, Duvernay, Reagor, Shenault were the names he mentioned.

He said we probably won't take a WR in the first 3 rounds because of how deep it is and proceeds to mention mainly guys who will be taken in the first 3 rounds lol.

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Getting the tool of choice, this draft, actually is important for the offense.

BigTimeBlues said:

I don't think it's dumb at all, in fact there is some logic to it.

Dallas has two solid starters at WR, but beyond that is a whole bunch of unknown. What happens if/when Cooper's quad, or whatever, flares back up? Can Gallup hold down the #1 without a threat opposite of him?

At 17, if you have a solid blue chip prospect at WR with a top 10 grade..as opposed to a bottom tier defender..you take that top 10 grade, correct? Otherwise you'd be reaching off of need, right?

There are holes all over this team, and depth is questionable..at best..over a lot of positions. But adding another #1 caliber weapon, on an offense that could have used a few more points last year, is far from dumb.

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No, there isn't any logic to it.
There's zero reason to believe you need to draft a WR round 1 AT ALL much less to be your WR3.
In fact over the past 5 seasons rounds 2 and 3 have provided BETTER WRs than round 1.
You didn't even get marginally better players, you actually got worse players in round 1.

There are also a glut of vet options in free agency right now.
The Pats just added Marqise Lee a few minutes ago but others will be there after the draft.
WR doesn't run dry.

WR3 in the NFL does NOT have round 1 value.
Not even close.

2019 Pro Bowlers:
DeAndre Hopkins* (1, 27), Houston Texans; Tyreek Hill*(5,165), Kansas City Chiefs; Antonio Brown (6, 195), Pittsburgh Steelers; Keenan Allen (3, 76), Los Angeles Chargers; JuJu Smith-Schuster (2, 62), Pittsburgh Steelers (sub for Brown) ; Jarvis Landry (2, 63), Cleveland Browns (sub for Hopkins), Julio Jones (1, 6)*, Atlanta Falcons; Michael Thomas* (2, 47), New Orleans Saints; Adam Thielen (UNDRAFTED), Minnesota Vikings; Davante Adams (2, 53) , Green Bay Packers; Mike Evans (1, 7), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (sub for Jones); Amari Cooper (1, 4), Dallas Cowboys (sub for Thomas)

DAL ALREADY has the highest drafted WR in the 2019 Pro Bowl. They gave up R1 last year for him.
The Pro Bowl is littered with non R1 picks.

You got 1000 yards from W3 last year (that cost you nothing but 4M) and missed the playoffs.
So, no, there is NO logic suggesting you need to draft WR3 at 17 unless you are a goofball.

Anyone wanting to replace a 4M WR3 with one drafted at 17 because 1000 yards receiving wasn't good enough for this team to make the playoffs has ZERO idea how to team build.
They are the kinda dumb you gotta put on ignore.

Future said:

3 out of 15 is proof that you're more likely to get nothing in those rounds.

WR in round 1 is the smartest pick you can make, because WR3 is a starter and the passing game is the most important thing for a team to build.

You haven't prevented any facts, just blather about how little you understand about the NFL in 2020.

Harry was hurt all year. The post I responded to specifically mentioned AFTER round 3, so McLaurin wasn't included.

Good hustle though.

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You are willfully ignorant.
Arguing must take at 17 is hardly saying AFTER round 3.
You have yet to make a salient point and thus go on ignore.
You have won the idiot lottery, enjoy the reward.

jterrell said:

No, there isn't any logic to it.
There's zero reason to believe you need to draft a WR round 1 AT ALL much less to be your WR3.
In fact over the past 5 seasons rounds 2 and 3 have provided BETTER WRs than round 1.
You didn't even get marginally better players, you actually got worse players in round 1.

There are also a glut of vet options in free agency right now.
The Pats just added Marqise Lee a few minutes ago but others will be there after the draft.
WR doesn't run dry.

WR3 in the NFL does NOT have round 1 value.
Not even close.

2019 Pro Bowlers:
DeAndre Hopkins* (1, 27), Houston Texans; Tyreek Hill*(5,165), Kansas City Chiefs; Antonio Brown (6, 195), Pittsburgh Steelers; Keenan Allen (3, 76), Los Angeles Chargers; JuJu Smith-Schuster (2, 62), Pittsburgh Steelers (sub for Brown) ; Jarvis Landry (2, 63), Cleveland Browns (sub for Hopkins), Julio Jones (1, 6)*, Atlanta Falcons; Michael Thomas* (2, 47), New Orleans Saints; Adam Thielen (UNDRAFTED), Minnesota Vikings; Davante Adams (2, 53) , Green Bay Packers; Mike Evans (1, 7), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (sub for Jones); Amari Cooper (1, 4), Dallas Cowboys (sub for Thomas)

DAL ALREADY has the highest drafted WR in the 2019 Pro Bowl. They gave up R1 last year for him.
The Pro Bowl is littered with non R1 picks.

You got 1000 yards from W3 last year (that cost you nothing but 4M) and missed the playoffs.
So, no, there is NO logic suggesting you need to draft WR3 at 17 unless you are a goofball.

Anyone wanting to replace a 4M WR3 with one drafted at 17 because 1000 yards receiving wasn't good enough for this team to make the playoffs has ZERO idea how to team build.
They are the kinda dumb you gotta put on ignore.

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Well, I guess that makes me a dumb goofball you've got to ignore.

It was short, but sweet while it lasted!

jterrell said:

You are willfully ignorant.
Arguing must take at 17 is hardly saying AFTER round 3.
You have yet to make a salient point and thus go on ignore.
You have won the idiot lottery, enjoy the reward.

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Read what I was responding to. It was talking specifically about after round 3.

I never said must take a WR at 17.

Call me an idiot all you want, you can't read.

If the WR is the best player on your board at 17, you take the WR. If you have a WR and defensive player rated the same at 17, you take the defensive player (DT, DE, S, CB) because the need is greater on that side of the ball.

Hardline said:

You don't draft for need.
If you have a shot at a top WR you take him.

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My thoughts exactly!!

darthseinfeld said:

Click the video at the top. TBH didn't even read the article lol

https://www.si.com/nfl/cowboys/news/nfl-draft-rumor-cowboys-will-pass-on-receivers-at-17

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Cowboys will pass on Wideouts at 17 Thread --- and they take Wideout at 17! Go ahead and delete yourself smart guy!

jterrell said:

No, there isn't any logic to it.
There's zero reason to believe you need to draft a WR round 1 AT ALL much less to be your WR3.
In fact over the past 5 seasons rounds 2 and 3 have provided BETTER WRs than round 1.
You didn't even get marginally better players, you actually got worse players in round 1.

There are also a glut of vet options in free agency right now.
The Pats just added Marqise Lee a few minutes ago but others will be there after the draft.
WR doesn't run dry.

WR3 in the NFL does NOT have round 1 value.
Not even close.

2019 Pro Bowlers:
DeAndre Hopkins* (1, 27), Houston Texans; Tyreek Hill*(5,165), Kansas City Chiefs; Antonio Brown (6, 195), Pittsburgh Steelers; Keenan Allen (3, 76), Los Angeles Chargers; JuJu Smith-Schuster (2, 62), Pittsburgh Steelers (sub for Brown) ; Jarvis Landry (2, 63), Cleveland Browns (sub for Hopkins), Julio Jones (1, 6)*, Atlanta Falcons; Michael Thomas* (2, 47), New Orleans Saints; Adam Thielen (UNDRAFTED), Minnesota Vikings; Davante Adams (2, 53) , Green Bay Packers; Mike Evans (1, 7), Tampa Bay Buccaneers (sub for Jones); Amari Cooper (1, 4), Dallas Cowboys (sub for Thomas)

DAL ALREADY has the highest drafted WR in the 2019 Pro Bowl. They gave up R1 last year for him.
The Pro Bowl is littered with non R1 picks.

You got 1000 yards from W3 last year (that cost you nothing but 4M) and missed the playoffs.
So, no, there is NO logic suggesting you need to draft WR3 at 17 unless you are a goofball.

Anyone wanting to replace a 4M WR3 with one drafted at 17 because 1000 yards receiving wasn't good enough for this team to make the playoffs has ZERO idea how to team build.
They are the kinda dumb you gotta put on ignore.

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Bro, why you calling people dumb?

First of all, literally every mock draft in existence had Lamb as a top 10 pick.

Second of all, the Eagles tried to trade up to pick 11 to get Lamb but at the last moment decided the cost was too high, they apparently had to throw in next year's 1st. So the Eagles had him rated in the top 10 as well.

Third, the Cowboys had Lamb graded out as the 6th best player in the entire draft.

What you are not realizing my friend is that Dallas didnt draft a WR3, they drafted a WR1 that can play as a WR3 or as a WR1 because that is what he did at Oklahoma. Want proof? He scored 7 TDs lined up at slot and he scored 7 TDs lined up outside last year, so he can do both.

Sydla said:

If the WR is the best player on your board at 17, you take the WR. If you have a WR and defensive player rated the same at 17, you take the defensive player (DT, DE, S, CB) because the need is greater on that side of the ball.

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Exactly.

You don't pass on a player that is 6th overall in your talent evaluation of all players in order to draft a player that is 15th or 20th on your overall talent draft board.

kumizi said:

Cowboys need a slot WR. Every year there are plenty of 4th round, 5th round, and even undrafted guys that contribute at the slot.

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The Cowboys had basically nothing at outside WR behind Cooper and Gallup.

It would have been easier to do a slot WR by committee than to replace find an injury replacement for Cooper or Gallup on the outside.

We made the right pick. Nice job FO.

xwalker said:

Exactly.

You don't pass on a player that is 6th overall in your talent evaluation of all players in order to draft a player that is 15th or 20th on your overall talent draft board.

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I never thought it would play out like this when I said it yesterday. LOL.