Drafted by Cowboys Cowboys Select WR CeeDee Lamb with the 17th Overall Pick

OmerV · Apr 24, 2020

charron said:
That is the exact opposite of what I said. Rodgers is a bigger part of their wins than Dak is to ours. Rodgers doesn't have the offensive weapons Dak has had but they've had fairly comparable defenses, last year theirs was certainly better than ours. We've seen what happens when Dak doesn't have a stud receiver and we've seen Rodgers find ways to make his guys into studs. Don't compare them, it's not even fair for your little boy.

If he is a bigger part of the wins, why wouldn't he also be a bigger part of the losses? Either he is the leading and dominant element of the team or he's not - you can't rationally justify saying Rodgers is the leading and dominant force when they win, but suddenly it's a team thing when they lose.

Face it, you are using a blatant double standard.

But let's try your double standard out on Dak …. In 2016 the 13 wins were "all on Dak mostly" … how does that sit with you? Or are only losses on Dak and wins on the team - opposite your double standard with Rodgers.

As for Rodgers making his receivers into studs … why is it not possible they receivers were studs that Rodgers took advantage of?

And how does an undrafted free agent having his best year as a Cowboy with Dak (Beasley) and a 3rd round pick becoming a stud with Dak, not also qualify as making his receivers a stud? What about Cobb, who had a better year last year with Dak than he has had with Rodgers since 2015?

Again, you are full of double standards.

OmerV · Apr 24, 2020

charron said:
Well I disagree. The conversation is about the offense in general more than qb centric. I didn't come on an just say dak sucks. I am saying CeeDee isn't going to catapult this offense into dropping 40+ like people think. I hope he does, but he won't. By the time he develops (assuming he does) either gallop or cooper or both will be gone.

lol - you don't think "and he still can't score TD's" as the equivalent of saying "Dak sucks". Or what about the losses are "all on Dak mostly" while not giving Dak similar credit for wins?

1972COWBOY · Apr 24, 2020

Silverz1972 said:
Guess that means dez is not coming on board

unless he is being added as a punt returner/ free safety.

Has JJ even embraced Dez as coming back or is Dez hanging out with Dak in hopes to come back ?

starfan1 · Apr 24, 2020

1972COWBOY said:
Has JJ even embraced Dez as coming back or is Dez hanging out with Dak in hopes to come back ?

Dez is done in Dallas maybe anywhere

RustyBourneHorse · Apr 24, 2020

I also like how we can now rotate WRs. We can have a lot of combinations of where we put Coop, Gallup, and now Lamb. I think McCarthy and Moore are going to have a lot of fun with this.

RustyBourneHorse · Apr 24, 2020

vnick said:
Lamb is better than OBJ and has the same ability to make crazy catches. He's that good.

Wouldn't it be nice if he pulls an OBJ catch on the Giants at their place?

mardwin · Apr 24, 2020

Bizwah said:
It's clear you don't want to like the pick. No problem. Most of us on here will enjoy the pick and enjoy watching the offense on the field.

We're going to have three scary WRs to handle. The three WR sets will be our base offense. How will teams defend this? With a nickel defense.

Zeke's gonna go off!

And to answer your question, "How many teams draft a #3 WR with a top 20 pick?" Technically it wasn't a top 20 pick (it was pick 21, I believe). But the Minnesota Vikings had Cris Carter and Jake Reed. They were two stud WRs at the time. They didn't need a WR, but took Randy Moss with pick 21. Most people thought Moss would go within the top five. Certainly he would go to Dallas at 8.

Nope....he fell. The Vikings correctly saw that Moss was too good of a talent to pass up, and took him....even though they didn't need a WR. With the three-headed monster of Carter, Moss, and Reed, the Minnesota Vikings (led by an over the hill Randall Cunningham because of an injury to Brad Johnson) went 15-1! Moss became a HOF WR.

Minnesota picked Randy Moss because they were moving on from Reed who was in his 30s. We are not moving on from Gallup and just locked Cooper for 5 years. Anyhow, if Lamb turns into a Randy Moss hey I'm ok with being wrong. I just don't understand the logic of taking a receiver in the first when this team has some serious needs in the O-line with Frederick retiring, in the secondary with losing Byron Jones and not to mention with Lee on his last leg and LVE coming from a neck injury.

RustyBourneHorse · Apr 24, 2020

luckyman76 said:
There is going to be another heavy run on WRs to start the 2nd. At 51 one of McKinney, Delpit, Fulton, Diggs, Winfield are going to be available.

I'd love it if McKinney or Winfield are there. If we can get either at 51, we will be in great shape. And especially if we follow it up with Elliott from Missouri.

RustyBourneHorse · Apr 24, 2020

mardwin said:
Minnesota picked Randy Moss because they were moving on from Reed who was in his 30s. We are not moving on from Gallup and just locked Cooper for 5 years. Anyhow, if Lamb turns into a Randy Moss hey I'm ok with being wrong. I just don't understand the logic of taking a receiver in the first when this team has some serious needs in the O-line with Frederick retiring, in the secondary with losing Byron Jones and not to mention with Lee on his last leg and LVE coming from a neck injury.

Because Lamb is a beast and Philly would've gotten him imo. And I don't think we want him in Philly.

Bizwah · Apr 24, 2020

mardwin said:
Minnesota picked Randy Moss because they were moving on from Reed who was in his 30s. We are not moving on from Gallup and just locked Cooper for 5 years. Anyhow, if Lamb turns into a Randy Moss hey I'm ok with being wrong. I just don't understand the logic of taking a receiver in the first when this team has some serious needs in the O-line with Frederick retiring, in the secondary with losing Byron Jones and not to mention with Lee on his last leg and LVE coming from a neck injury.

Reed was a 1000 yard receiver the year before Moss was taken.

No one expected Moss to fall.

I agree our needs on defense are greater than WR. But when you pick at 17, and your sixth best player is available...it's a no brainier.

Plus, the draft isn't even over. Who knows what players we still may draft?

RustyBourneHorse · Apr 24, 2020

Typhus said:
@CowboyRoy, you may not have been elated on day 1,, but you will feel better about everything after day 2 and 3,, just hang in there bro.
Deep draft, plenty of time to address the D.
Lamb was a great pick!.. and we got to punch the eagles right in the nads…

Anytime we can punch the Eagles in the nads is a good day.

mardwin · Apr 24, 2020

Carter said:
They can let Cooper or/and Gallup go in 2 years time to save a ton of Cap Space.

Lamb is not a 3rd WR hes 10x better than Gallup already and will soon challenge Cooper for #1 WR. Cooper had a very disappointing second half of the season. If he cant clean that up Lamb is the #1 next season.

Drafting for Need always fails when u have a Top 10 Talent available at 17. You take BPA.

This Pick should also open up Spaces for Zeke/Pollard so its Win-Win.

You lost me with the 10x better than Gallup suggestion when there's no receiver in the NFL that's 10x better than Gallup. Gallup is a 2nd-year receiver that has been playing on a run-first offensive scheme splitting time with Cooper on the other side and still managed 1100 yards in year #2. Gallup is a guy that constantly beats his corner deep, take a moment to watch some film to rebut.

mardwin · Apr 24, 2020

phildadon86 said:
I’m not even surprised you’re the one complaining. We just secured a top ten talent at 17 and you’re complaining.

Ranking is subjective, there were other teams ahead of us that didn't see him as a top 10 talent. If we would have lost Cooper in free agency I would have been delighted, but guess what? we just paid a guy $100M and the other one is the leading receiver on the team. This **** ain't fantasy football. You don't take a WR in the first round unless you going to move on from somebody.

mardwin · Apr 24, 2020

Chocolate Lab said:
Dude. Gallup is the number 3 now. Lamb is much closer to Cooper than Gallup in talent.

At what point in his two years has Gallup shown that he is less than a #2? Productivity determines what you are and based on that logic Gallup is closer to a #1 than a #3.

OmerV · Apr 24, 2020

mardwin said:
Minnesota picked Randy Moss because they were moving on from Reed who was in his 30s. We are not moving on from Gallup and just locked Cooper for 5 years. Anyhow, if Lamb turns into a Randy Moss hey I'm ok with being wrong. I just don't understand the logic of taking a receiver in the first when this team has some serious needs in the O-line with Frederick retiring, in the secondary with losing Byron Jones and not to mention with Lee on his last leg and LVE coming from a neck injury.

There are, without a doubt, pros and cons with this pick. I understand them not going with a center - the talent level wasn't worth that high a pick - but I thought they would go defense. We clearly need improvement on that side of the ball. I think they just had such a high grade on Lamb's talent that they felt they couldn't let it go by. Many were surprised he was still available at 17. I just hope they go heavy on defense the rest of the draft, and maybe sign another key free agent.

mardwin · Apr 24, 2020

Furboy said:
Because Lamb is a beast and Philly would've gotten him imo. And I don't think we want him in Philly.

Assumptions... There were 3 other receivers picked after Lamb. Just because you had a guy ranked X on your board it doesn't mean someone's board agrees.

Chocolate Lab · Apr 24, 2020

mardwin said:
At what point in his two years has Gallup shown that he is less than a #2? Productivity determines what you are and based on that logic Gallup is closer to a #1 than a #3.

I meant Gallup would now be the third best WR on the team.

So by your definition and complaining about using a top-20 pick on a #3, you think Lamb is an average third best WR on a team? No, he's much better than that.

Sounds like you are just a huge Gallup fan. Which is fine, but that doesn't mean he's close to Lamb.

mardwin · Apr 24, 2020

Chocolate Lab said:
I meant Gallup would now be the third best WR on the team.

So by your definition and complaining about using a top-20 pick on a #3, you think Lamb is an average third best WR on a team? No, he's much better than that.

Sounds like you are just a huge Gallup fan. Which is fine, but that doesn't mean he's close to Lamb.

I think you are misunderstanding my position. I'm not questioning the guy's talent, let me make that clear. My questioning was about comprehending the strategy of how are we going to maximize his value to the team when we have two stud receivers and a set of RBs that are pretty good at catching the football from the backfield. I doubt Dak is going to force the football to a rookie when his 1,2,3 options are on the field. The return on #17 needed to be a starter and I don't mean a rotational guy which the role of a #3 receiver normally is.

FLcowboy · Apr 24, 2020

morat1959 said:
SOS! JJ is still large and in charge. Looks like we got another puppet for a HC. McKinney and Chaisson sitting right there to help on a D that’s been awful for years and JJ goes for the splash pick. We’ll never win anything!

Is a first round WR arguably a better pick than a second round defensive pick, or the reverse?

RustyBourneHorse · Apr 24, 2020

mardwin said:
Assumptions... There were 3 other receivers picked after Lamb. Just because you had a guy ranked X on your board it doesn't mean someone's board agrees.

Tbh, I thought Lamb would go to the Giants at 4. I was excited when he fell to us. I'm looking forward to seeing what we do to the rest of the draft. I think Lamb will take the top off the defence. We needed to get a WR at some point to replace Cobb. So, imo, we took the best WR in the draft. What this means is that defences can't double anyone on our offense because the others will scorch them. And Zeke should benefit heavily from this too. It's a new day for our team.

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