Video: Ceedee Lamb route running breakdown better than Jerry Jeudy?

Super_Kazuya said:

Based on the stupidity you routinely spout, there certainly isn’t any evidence you watch football. But hey you were able to google Heyward-Bey and maybe convince a five year old that you know who he is. Nice try.

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This sounds like the last howl in the retreat, Paint Chips.

Ill give a chance to try and put together something a little better

darthseinfeld said:

This sounds like the last howl in the retreat, Paint Chips.

Ill give a chance to try and put together something a little better

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Can you add some punctuation to these things? I can barely make out what you’re babbling at this point.
I’ve embarrassed you so many times now you must be cracking up. I don’t remember you typing like Gimmee.

MarcusRock said:

I'll start off by saying I know absolutely nothing about these college kids that got drafted but if CeeDee Lamb is supposed to be the end-all, be all of this WR class and a can't miss prospect, then why was he only the 3rd receiver taken in the first round? I've seen others ask this but not seen any real explanation. Why did Ruggs and Jeudy go before him?

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Every year a player drops lower than expected. When was Tom Brady selected? I am not concerned that two other teams went in a different direction. However, I do caution that every player selected has a highlight reel and every player is playing against a lot of guys who were not drafted or even signed as UDFAs. I have concerns about every player the Cowboys took in this draft because I wonder how they will perform against NFL caliber opponents. The best highlights are where the players are facing other guys drafted in the early rounds. I think the video of Chaisson vs Thomas, for example, says a lot about Chaissonbecause he will face a lot of guys as good as or better than Thomas.

Super_Kazuya said:

Can you add some punctuation to these things? I can barely make out what you’re babbling at this point.
I’ve embarrassed you so many times now you must be cracking up. I don’t remember you typing like Gimmee.

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Lol you have never embarrassed anyone but yourself. All you ever do here is call people Dak Slobbers. You are so obsessed with the dude, it wouldn't shock me if you keep searching for look-a-likes on Grinder. All so you can hook up with him, then come here and claim you have proof that he is gay. You are that kind of dude, Paint Chips

darthseinfeld said:

Lol you have never embarrassed anyone but yourself. All you ever do here is call people Dak Slobbers. You are so obsessed with the dude, it wouldn't shock me if you keep searching for look-a-likes on Grinder. All so you can hook up with him, then come here and claim you have proof that he is gay. You are that kind of dude, Paint Chips

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lol, your feelings have been hurt by me so many times you are now concocting weird fantasy stories that likely reflect your own personal life. Look, I’m sorry for all of the times I’ve embarrassed you. It’s not personal, I rarely even keep track of the names I’m responding to. Your biggest problem is in the mirror... you just don’t know anything about football and that leads to lots of embarrassment.

Super_Kazuya said:

lol, your feelings have been hurt by me so many times you are now concocting weird fantasy stories that likely reflect your own personal life. Look, I’m sorry for all of the times I’ve embarrassed you. It’s not personal, I rarely even keep track of the names I’m responding to. Your biggest problem is in the mirror... you just don’t know anything about football and that leads to lots of embarrassment.

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Id like to know exactly when you embarrassed me. The only argument I remember getting with you, you sounded so stupid that I came to conclusion your brain is addled from eating paint chip as a kid. Hence the name Paint Chips.

I havent had any other exchanges with you worth remembering.

BoysfanfromCanada said:

Ruggs is faster and that seems to be all the Raiders care about. Jeudy and CeeDee were 1-2 best WRs, so depended on which team liked who.

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All three were considered the elite prospects, and could have gone in any order, although original projections from most had it as Judy, Lamb and Ruggs.
I wouldn't have been disappointed to have landed either of the three, but Im ecstatic that Lamb fell to us.

Super_Kazuya said:

You seem to be having a hard time with the concept that you have no idea why anybody did what. Occam’s Razor would seem to suggest that the two teams who drafted for WR thought that they, in fact, did draft the best WR in the draft.
Whoever becomes the best WR will be determined on the field, not by beer gut Bleacher Report losers.

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The Raiders drafted Henry Ruggs because they wanted a receiver that would stretch the field vertically. The receivers that were on the roster prior to the draft, namely Tyrell Williams, Hunter Renfroe and Marcell Ateman, were more possession type receivers (though Williams can stretch the field, but he was hurt most of 2019). CeeDee Lamb was a closer match to Tyrell Williams than he was a complement, and they wanted a complement.

The Broncos wanted a precise route runner to put opposite Courtland Sutton. Jeudy is a security blanket type of receiver who runs where he's supposed to, which they deemed to be critical with a young QB on board like Drew Lock. Lamb is not the precise route runner that Jeudy is, and he more resembled the style of play that they already have in Sutton and DaeSean Hamilton. They wanted the specific trait that Jeudy provided.

For those that prefer Lamb to either of those are looking at his run after the catch skill, his hands, and his ability to make plays from both the slot and out wide.

EMMITTnROY said:

It's not just Cowboys fans. The majority of draft experts and scouts considered Lamb the best WR in the draft. It was close between him and Jeudy, but more considered Lamb the guy. The Raiders are gonna Raiders and just wanted speed with Ruggs.

It's an all time deep WR class. And Lamb is considered the best of the bunch by the majority of people who do this for a living. Ruggs going first was silly. Jeudy, you can make an argument for, and thankfully the Broncos liked him more.

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That's a good point, only time will tell. I do know this, Lamb was the most exciting WR in the draft.

Does it matter who is the better route runner? I don't think so.

Juedy was productive
Lamb was productive

BOTH had multiple 1,100 yards, double digit TD seasons.

Both can run more than good routes, and both seem to be able to make key plays. So I expect both to be very good WRs in the NFL.

Now Ruggs? He is easily the question mark out of the Top-3.

In any case, we will only know once they step on the field and it is far too late to change who drafted who and where.

But some will still complain, so ..... Carry on and be miserable

Plankton said:

The Raiders drafted Henry Ruggs because they wanted a receiver that would stretch the field vertically. The receivers that were on the roster prior to the draft, namely Tyrell Williams, Hunter Renfroe and Marcell Ateman, were more possession type receivers (though Williams can stretch the field, but he was hurt most of 2019). CeeDee Lamb was a closer match to Tyrell Williams than he was a complement, and they wanted a complement.

The Broncos wanted a precise route runner to put opposite Courtland Sutton. Jeudy is a security blanket type of receiver who runs where he's supposed to, which they deemed to be critical with a young QB on board like Drew Lock. Lamb is not the precise route runner that Jeudy is, and he more resembled the style of play that they already have in Sutton and DaeSean Hamilton. They wanted the specific trait that Jeudy provided.

For those that prefer Lamb to either of those are looking at his run after the catch skill, his hands, and his ability to make plays from both the slot and out wide.

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That's nice, but none of that proves that either team a) didn't draft BPA and 2) didn't draft who they thought was the best WR available.

Everyone has different opinions on who's the best. Obviously the Cowboys and some others thought Lamb was the best, yet others didn't share that same opinion. The draft is like playing the slot man. You just don't know.

Typhus said:

All three were considered the elite prospects, and could have gone in any order, although original projections from most had it as Judy, Lamb and Ruggs.
I wouldn't have been disappointed to have landed either of the three, but Im ecstatic that Lamb fell to us.

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Right. I think that’s ultimately the real takeaway, replace “best wr in the draft” with “one of the best wrs in the draft” who no one expected to be available, and let’s just enjoy the fact we got a great talent.

Super_Kazuya said:

That's nice, but none of that proves that either team a) didn't draft BPA and 2) didn't draft who they thought was the best WR available.

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If we’re going to latch on to what the teams thought, how about the fact that lamb was dallas 6th overall prospect. Forget the media hype and draftniks, you can get excited about that right?

Proof said:

If we’re going to latch on to what the teams thought, how about the fact that lamb was dallas 6th overall prospect. Forget the media hype and draftniks, you can get excited about that right?

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I mean it sounds convenient, the guy who was the leftover is the highest guy on your board. Stephen was saying a lot of things that day. Almost every guy they drafted was a round higher on their board... sounds convenient for building hype.

On one hand these guys made a board that had Frederick way higher than anyone else... that was good. They also made a board with Taco and Trysten on it. So I'm not really moved by what their board says either way. I'm sure their draft record, when looked at objectively, has been above average of late. Specifically at WR, they drafted Terrance Williams and Gallup who to me were good picks. So yes, there is reason for excitement.

MarcusRock said:

I'll start off by saying I know absolutely nothing about these college kids that got drafted but if CeeDee Lamb is supposed to be the end-all, be all of this WR class and a can't miss prospect, then why was he only the 3rd receiver taken in the first round? I've seen others ask this but not seen any real explanation. Why did Ruggs and Jeudy go before him?

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I thought Lamb was WR1 by a lot but no one thought WR in this class had a Randy Moss.
Everyone has some weaknesses, lots had strengths.

Lamb played in an Air Raid and many NFL teams are scared of Air Raid WRs.
Think Dallas' own Mike Crabtree.
System can elevate WRs.
He is a 4.5 flat guy in an Air Raid. There's your knocks.

He also had some Gallup-like drops on deep balls.
He attacks the ball and has strong hands but he's not really a pure high point back shoulder fade like Dez type.
He's 200 not 220.
He's very quick and makes people miss but he doesn't fly by everyone.
He has good but not great speed.

Jeudy played in a more pro style offense. So he ran more common NFL routes. Outs, In's, Slants, outs and up.
He is not as quick as Lamb and doesn't really do much after the catch but is a hair faster.
He is a technician though. He runs those routes the same every time. A precision offense will love this dude.
Troy Aikman would see Michael Irvin in him minus maybe some toughness.
But if you actually watched Mike h got tackled a lot inside the 5.
He didn't have that quickness to make a guy miss in a phone booth. JJ is the same but Lamb has that quickness.
But if you want a technical route runner likely to get open almost every play JJ could have been your #1 WR easily.

Ruggs to me wasn't a top 5 WR in this class.
I watched a lot of Bama games and he did absolutely nothing on about 80% of his snaps but occupy space.
He is insanely fast though and when they got him the ball it looked almost exactly like Tavon Austin in college.
He just ran away from everyone, angle or not. TD Crimson Tide.
If you felt offensive speed was your biggest problem then he is an easy guy to love.
I'm just not ever drafting a WR round 1 with under 100 career catches.
BUT 25 TDs is pretty darn sexy. --Keep in mind Lamb actually had 33 AND averaged 3 yards MORE per reception than the instant TD guy....
I thought he was an R2 guy.

MarcusRock said:

I'll start off by saying I know absolutely nothing about these college kids that got drafted but if CeeDee Lamb is supposed to be the end-all, be all of this WR class and a can't miss prospect, then why was he only the 3rd receiver taken in the first round? I've seen others ask this but not seen any real explanation. Why did Ruggs and Jeudy go before him?

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You sound like Mickey now. Lol. If he’s so good. Why’s he available?

Super_Kazuya said:

I mean it sounds convenient, the guy who was the leftover is the highest guy on your board. Stephen was saying a lot of things that day. Almost every guy they drafted was a round higher on their board... sounds convenient for building hype.

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It wasn't just Stephen who was saying the Cowboys were drafting players who were rated much higher than they were drafting. Everyone was.

Serious question, why would they need to build hype for anything?

Super_Kazuya said:

I mean it sounds convenient, the guy who was the leftover is the highest guy on your board. Stephen was saying a lot of things that day. Almost every guy they drafted was a round higher on their board... sounds convenient for building hype.

On one hand these guys made a board that had Frederick way higher than anyone else... that was good. They also made a board with Taco and Trysten on it. So I'm not really moved by what their board says either way. I'm sure their draft record, when looked at objectively, has been above average of late. Specifically at WR, they drafted Terrance Williams and Gallup who to me were good picks. So yes, there is reason for excitement.

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I mean it’s fairly consistent with pre draft rankings and big boards for whatever that’s worth. And then the fact they are in dire need of defensive players and the guy they wanted was there for the taking (Chaisson) and they went with lamb. Clearly they thought highly of him. Whether he’s the best or not, he’s a stud. I’m pretty stoked

big dog cowboy said:

It wasn't just Stephen who was saying the Cowboys were drafting players who were rated much higher than they were drafting. Everyone was.

Serious question, why would they need to build hype for anything?

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Jerry and Stephen are hucksters, that's what they do... I don't begrudge them it.