Twitter: Clay Mack says DB problem is due to scheme

vnick

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Well, not a lot of new news here, unfortunately. I don't recall who I was discussing this with, like a year ago. But the way Richard ran his Defensive Backfield was not typical. Remember, it was said more then once that the Back End of the Defense and the Front End didn't really play together a lot of the time. There was a reason that you had Co-DC responsibilities in Dallas and there was a reason that Marinelli was talking about retiring. A lot of the fan base tend to blame Marinelli and I think you can make a case that his scheme had issues but, nobody really called out Richard much. Each ran a very unique scheme, in terms of how they played their personnel. You can't really do that independently and expect to succeed. What needs to happen there is that you pick a horse and you ride with it. This, to me, is a case where we tried to play both sides against the middle. I feel like Jerry saw Payton leave, he saw Uberfluss move on, he saw Zimmer move on and they've all proven to be pretty decent coaches for other teams and this is just three. There have been more. I think that Jerry didn't want to lose Richard and so he ended up allowing autonomy on the defensive side of the football, between the two schemes and what we saw were results that cost us. You can't play defense that way. All parts of the whole need to be working in unison and we didn't have that IMO.

I think you have nailed it right here. Jerry didn't want Marinelli to leave but he also didn't want to lose Richard. I don't think Richard is a poor coach and Marinelli was good once too, though I wonder if his time is past, but the two had differing systems and by the end those systems were not cohesive and working together.
 

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agree.

JasonG would NOT leave Marinelli.

cost him big time in the end.
I felt like he kept him on as a shield. Firing him and getting another DC could have been his last lifeline here, whenever it got to that. But it was so bad both were let go same time
 

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Those of you who don't know Clay Mack, he's a big-time DB coach/trainer based in DFW. He said he doesn't think its a personnel issue with the backend. He said when he trained the Cowboys DBs in the offseason the coaches were forcing them to do only one technique instead of coaching to their strengths.



I've been saying that for months.

The scheme was a big problem, especially with Awuzie.
  • In Seattle, when Richard Sherman played the kick-step press coverage, he only had to cover the area up and down the sideline.
  • They had Earl Thomas giving him help on the inside for intermediate/deep routes.
  • They had LBs and/or the SS pick up WRs if they went inside of Sherman off the snap.
  • In 2019, they often had Awuzie out there with neither the intermediate/deep inside help or the inside underneath help.
  • Offenses would often put the slot WR on the opposite side from Awuzie. That means there is only 1 WR on Awuzie's side but 2 on the other side.
  • The Cowboys deep Safety would roll towards the side with 2 WRs which often meant away from Awuzie's side. That meant no real help for Awuzie from the FS.
 

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No one in the know is going to really let loose about the awful job the last staff did with what they had.

I'd bet the new staff knows all about it and cant wait to get rolling.

I suspect the freshness alone sets us up for a nice season.
 

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Lol, can't wait to see this team, which now by the way has less talent, but with real coaching. Yes, less talent, Byron Jones, Robert Quinn, Travis Frederick. I hated that idiot and his coaching staff and their philosophy, they should have been removed 7 years ago. Not even that big a MM fan but at least he is a real HC with real staffs and ability.
Yeah it kinda sucks we're not able to see the previous talent with the current staff. If Garrett was rightfully fired after the '18 season, we could have at least got a year of it.
 

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Well that makes sense. As I’ve stated numerous times, the young and up and coming secondary, regressed. Richard was responsible for the back 7 and all of them played awful last season sans Lee and Byron.
 

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Not as simple as the kick-step technique not being a good one. Pete Carroll has had it working well for years in Seattle. But it definitely looks like some players embraced it and did quite well like Byron Jones, while other like Awuzie may have struggled with it. There is a history of some corners struggling to adjust to the technique and it sounds like that's what happened here.

But I am curious to see what Al Harris might do with the corners he has in Dallas. He coached both Marcus Peters and Steven Nelson in Kansas City and both have gone on to play quite well.


Exactly, Jordan Lewis also doesnt seem to have a problem either.
 

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Hard for anyone to get INTs when you play with your back to the qb. It works for him but sacrifices position and awareness to make the pick.

if you"re a "GOOD" corner you can get ints playing man, Dieon did it for years in man coaverage
 

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The Autopsy on the Garrett Coaching staff 2013-2019 will be brutal. Kris Richard and Marinelli chemistry. Linehan and rigidity debacle...scheme fit philosophy.

So painful

so painful it went 13-3 in 2016.
 
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