Twitter: Clay Mack says DB problem is due to scheme

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Our defensive strategy was all over the place and the disconnect between Richard and Marinelli was a disaster. I’m glad both are gone

One comment I want to make though is about private coaches

Ive never been a big fan of personal private coaches because, in addition to skills training, they are paid to tell the player what they want to hear. The player, having paid for their advice is, of course, going to give it hefty consideration.

Many times it’s a great relationship and player, team and personal trainer are on the same page but in a year with a completely new coaching staff, I would like all of our players to be focused on absorbing what the coaches are trying to teach them and not so much on voices outside the organization.

Mack may develop a good relationship with the Cowboys staff but he was clearly in his clients ears telling them that the previous staff was clueless.

not really trying to knock his hustle but I guess I kinda am :p

just my two cents

You're not wrong. Some are very, very good at what they do, but they are half trainer and half hype man. It's in their best interest to talk up their clients because that helps them get new clients. If you advertise that you work with Chidobe Awuzie and Byron Jones, and the general feeling of the (sometimes ignorant) public is that those guys "don't get pics,so they aren't any good", it's not surprising that the guy who trains them would want to blame someone else.

Private trainers have way more sway and if you doubt that, dig into the reasons behind the Belichick-Brady divorce. I've witnessed Bucky Brooks (hey Bucky if you're reading this) hype the guys he personally trained in Manhattan Beach on the NFLNetwork, as well as be less complimentary of USC & UCLA players who opted to train with other companies. A little too self-serving for me.

Last thing, the tweet is kind of misleading. While I agree that the scheme was a huge problem for this defense these past few seasons, what this guy is talking about is technique and not really schematic.
 

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You're not wrong. Some are very, very good at what they do, but they are half trainer and half hype man. It's in their best interest to talk up their clients because that helps them get new clients. If you advertise that you work with Chidobe Awuzie and Byron Jones, and the general feeling of the (sometimes ignorant) public is that those guys "don't get pics,so they aren't any good", it's not surprising that the guy who trains them would want to blame someone else.

Private trainers have way more sway and if you doubt that, dig into the reasons behind the Belichick-Brady divorce. I've witnessed Bucky Brooks (hey Bucky if you're reading this) hype the guys he personally trained in Manhattan Beach on the NFLNetwork, as well as be less complimentary of USC & UCLA players who opted to train with other companies. A little too self-serving for me.

Last thing, the tweet is kind of misleading. While I agree that the scheme was a huge problem for this defense these past few seasons, what this guy is talking about is technique and not really schematic.
Just recently Mack also did an interview, with the same podcasters, talking about how *intimitely* connected he is to Jamal Adams and how excited they all were as they anticipated a possible trade to the Cowboys. It wasn’t “Jamal was”, it was “we were”.

You mentioned trainer and hype man and I think there’s a third aspect ... “life coach”. I have no doubt most of these trainers offer advice on everything from diet and nutrition to avoiding sex before games to recommending certain passages in the good book.

He’s here in Dallas and losing Jokes and Kavon, leaving him with a stable of Chido, who may not be retained next year, has him trying to rebuild.

100% guarantee that he sent tweets and texts on Friday and Saturday fo Diggs and Robinson and had Jones, Adams and Chido do the same, All suggesting these guys immediately buy a 52 week package of personalized training sessions, a full library of motivational DVD’s and a 3 month supply of the “Mack Attack Rejuvenation and Maxxx Performance Supplement Kits”

Maybe he gets results. He claims Adams as a client, and Jones is good and for huge money. How much do their success goes to him will never be known. It likely doesn’t matter much as long as those guys *like* him and will *endorse* him.

Connecting and gaining these young athletes as clients is likely as much about personal charisma and salesmanship than it is about the product they deliver.

I hope I’m just being a jaded and cynical ******* about this but the line is loooooong of people trying to get in the pockets of these young men and i question that anyone who is offering more than personalized strength and conditioning is benefiting these guys any more than their position coaches can.

If they had what it takes to be a coach in the NFL they’d be there doing it.

Most of his clients are the parents of kids and the NFL connections largely serve as advertisement for those parents who dream of their child becoming a pro athlete

here’s a snip from his website. (I had the extra xxx’s above before I saw his llz’s, I swear

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    Clay Mack is a Skills Consultant, NFL Combine Specialist, DB/LB Specialist in Technique Skill/Agility and specializes in Functional Movement Development for All Sports. He improves draft status and combine performance.He has helped to produce...
    • 3 FIRST ROUND PICKS
      6 DRAFTED IN TOP 3 ROUNDS
      12 PLAYERS DRAFTED
 

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Some more BS. these are turnovers for 7 of 10 years he was here.

2010 #10, 2011 #16, 2013 #13 , 2014 #2, 2016 #19, 2017 # 17 , 2018 # 16th

So you pick out a few decent seasons and claim he's the bestest? Lol.

I will throw in 2010 even though that was Wade's D because it makes your argument look better. Ranked 2nd worst in INTs from 2010-2019. Facts don't lie.

http://pfref.com/tiny/l60RO
 

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But we had issues before Richard as well. Richard did fix some issues like moving Byron to CB but we still had the same issue of decent coverage and little interceptions.
 

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Patrick Conn@PatSportsGuy


Doing some research this morning and came across this stat that will make you sick. Since 2011 (When JG became HC)

Cowboys INT created (95) which is dead last and only team with less than 100.

Passer rating allowed (93.1) 4th highest.

Completion % 65.3 2nd highest


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eres your random BS stats people make up. Suck it.

I posted a comprehensive set of stats many months ago that showed Garrett's history against the pass so he probably grabbed it from there. The numbers were downright depressing. The numbers he posted were part of it.
 
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But we had issues before Richard as well. Richard did fix some issues like moving Byron to CB but we still had the same issue of decent coverage and little interceptions.

We couldn't even get the lucky pass bounce off the helmet for an int which is why i am 100% convinced it had to do with us tipping our coverages off. Garrett had stated on multiple occasions that we don't purposely disguise our coverages because he wanted a simpler approach for the players. In today's NFL where other coaches spend a ridiculous amount of effort trying to confuse QBs we took a more gladiator-like approach of "here we are - come get some". 9 years of being statistically one of the easiest teams to pass against speaks for itself on that approach.
 

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Rob's whole scheme was off for today's NFL. Front 4, attack! Go get the QB, play the run on the way if you can, but get to the QB as fast as possible to force him to get the ball out quickly or take the sack. But you DB's, play safe over the top just in case. Play off cover 2 zone on the back end and keep the guys in front of you.
How were they ever supposed to stop a receiver on a quick hit when they're 10yds off the line at the snap? It made zero sense to me.
 

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We couldn't even get the lucky pass bounce off the helmet for an int which is why i am 100% convinced it had to do with us tipping our coverages off. Garrett had stated on multiple occasions that we don't purposely disguise our coverages because he wanted a simpler approach for the players. In today's NFL where other coaches spend a ridiculous amount of effort trying to confuse QBs we took a more gladiator-like approach of "here we are - come get some". 9 years of being statistically one of the easiest teams to pass against speaks for itself on that approach.


Weve gone through multiple Db coaches with and Dc's with different approaches. None made much difference, mostly due to a lack of talent on that side of the ball. We were good at time but not great. Yup Heath was watching the/ playing the defender then it bounced off his helmet and then the next game he was watching the ball and he ran into the guy. That 100% sucked for Heath. With everything going on if training camp is affected i wouldn't be surprised to see more simplistic style to start the year.
 

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Due to the lack of adjustments, I always wondered if coaches and players actually watched film to self-evaluate. I might add "stay the course" on schemes that weren't working yet we refused to change.
 

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yes the culture from garrett the cancer.
do it his way or the highway
the cancer spread from top down.
lost out on players because they dont fit
lost out on players because they are not rkg
players performed far from optimally due to coaches not adapting to players' strength and weakness.

Not sure exactly what Garrett thought was "The right kind of guy", maybe just scheme wise, but like you said we passed up a lot of better talent so many times due to Garrett's RKG garbage.
Grrrrr Sooooo glad that guy is out of here!!
 

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If Clay is right that is an indictment on Richard. I'm buying it tho. Chido was nice at University of Colorado. He's not even a shadow of that dude in the pros.

Play players to their strengths and stop forcing circles into square holes. Previous coaching staff didn't do that and it showed. No way in bleep they should have gone 8-8 with all that talent. SMH
 

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He looked like total garbage against every other team last season. He looked like Staubach/Montana/Brady combined against us. I’M FREAKING GLAD THAT ENTIRE FREAKING STAFF IS FREAKING GONE.
I remember watching Vince Young against us. There were so many who thought he was good based on that performance.
 

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If Clay is right that is an indictment on Richard. I'm buying it tho. Chido was nice at University of Colorado. He's not even a shadow of that dude in the pros.

Play players to their strengths and stop forcing circles into square holes. Previous coaching staff didn't do that and it showed. No way in bleep they should have gone 8-8 with all that talent. SMH
Chido didn't get picks in college. Only 3 in 44 career games.
 

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He looked like total garbage against every other team last season. He looked like Staubach/Montana/Brady combined against us. I’M FREAKING GLAD THAT ENTIRE FREAKING STAFF IS FREAKING GONE.

He went from star qb against us to seeing "ghosts" against the Pats. :huh:
 

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Chido didn't get picks in college. Only 3 in 44 career games.

Did not know that.. 1 pick every 14.66 games in college.
In the pros he has 3 picks in 41 games which is 1 pick every 13.6 games.

I think it's clear he's not a ball hawk unless a coach can instill a new style of coverage that suddenly turns him into one.
 

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I have been saying all along that the "Bend but don't break" scheme. Is a problem that henders the defense.
 
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