Dallas has too many slow WRs, need to add speed!

TheMarathonContinues · May 1, 2020

Creeper said:
Bob Hayes would have run under 4.2 if there was such a thing back then. Randy Moss ran a 4.25. Devin Hester a 4.24 and Tyreek Hill a 4.24 as well. Speed is no guarantee of success, but it helps quite a bit. The thing about a guy with speed is not what he can do catching passes or running sweeps. Its also how his speed affects the defense to that others can succeed.

The Eagles have 2 sub-4.3 guys now and DeSean Jackson who ran a 4.35. Clearly they are trying to copy the Chiefs.
If anyone is interested:

Jourdan Lewis - 4.54
Chidobe Awuzie - 4.43
Anthony Brown - 4.35
Maurice Canaday - 4.49
Reggie Robinson - 4.44
Diggs did not run at the combine, but he is not reputed to be a fast guy. I doubt he runs under 4.5

For what it's worth Byron Jones ran a 4.40 on h is pro day.

The best corner in the league in Stephen Gilmore ran a 4.4 about 8 years ago. Chances are he's even slower now. 40 times is not a reflection of how you will play in this league.

starfrombirth · May 1, 2020

rocyaice said:
The best corner in the league in Stephen Gilmore ran a 4.4 about 8 years ago. Chances are he's even slower now. 40 times is not a reflection of how you will play in this league.

Also Devin Hester was not a good receiver... dangerous return man but CB's could sit 15 yds deep on go routes every play.

America's Cowboy · May 1, 2020

12+88=7 said:
According to you this team has problems EVERYWHERE, except at QB. Funny how that is.

You would be worse than Jerry as a GM. Think about that.

He's right. Dak is not a problem at QB. Wisen up.

Gangsta Spanksta · May 1, 2020

Dak_Attack_09 said:
Dallas has accumulated too many WRs that are lesser clone of each other and really do not compliment the players on the roster fully.

This offense needs true speed and right now just about every team has WRs that runS 4.4 NFL WRs. Dallas should acquire someone like J.J Nelson 4.2 forty time that can blow the top off defense consistently.

Another option is to trade Gallup who really is a #3 with CD in the building and the front office shouldn’t overpay for a consistent ball dropping #3 receiver.

Al Davis is that you?!? O.O

SSoup · May 1, 2020

BrAinPaiNt said:
This is why you see guys who perform in the underwear olympics sometimes get drafted over other players with superior talent only to see them fail.

John Ross III
Donte Stallworth
Chris Johnson
Rondell Montez
Dri Archer
Jerome Mathis
Marquis Goodwin
Stanford Routt
Jalen Myric
JJ Nelson
DeMarcus Van Dyke
Jacoby Ford

All of those players were speed demons from the Combine.
One or two MIGHT be a future HOF but that is a big Might.

The majority of them turned out to be either complete nobodies or a slight blip on the radar.

Straight line speed looks good on paper but for the most part does not beat out playing speed and talent.

Yes.

Gallup averaged 15.4 yards per catch in 2018 and 16.8 in 2019. A little thing called good route running. He's creeping on a 17 yard average last season and dummies are acting like he's some slow plodder because he's a football player instead of a sprinter at a track meet. I have terrible news for the people fetishizing speed over route running. We'd have been much worse if you put Tavon Austin on the field instead of any of our actual route-running professional wide receivers.

gjkoeppen · May 1, 2020

Dak_Attack_09 said:
They are average when you compare them to other top WRs in the league who run fast as them if not faster.

And because Cooper as YOU say is just average speed is why he was the top free agent receiver rated as number 3 in all of the free agents this off season. Micheal Irvin wasn't a speed receiver but was feared by every defensive coordinator in the league.
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conner01 · May 1, 2020

Dak_Attack_09 said:
You don’t think defenders don’t study tapes and know offensive scheme based on personnel?

Ask the ones trying to chase cooper around
Speed is great
Great route running gets you open
The greatest receiver of all time was not a fast guy but he got open and caught the ball

conner01 · May 1, 2020

SSoup said:
Yes.

Gallup averaged 15.4 yards per catch in 2018 and 16.8 in 2019. A little thing called good route running. He's creeping on a 17 yard average last season and dummies are acting like he's some slow plodder because he's a football player instead of a sprinter at a track meet. I have terrible news for the people fetishizing speed over route running. We'd have been much worse if you put Tavon Austin on the field instead of any of our actual route-running professional wide receivers.

Gallup is very good at selling double moves
Cooper is a technician at route running
Lamb is a very good route runner
And none of them are slow, they just aren’t 4.3 runner
Few of the greatest receivers ever were the fastest revivers when they played
Jerry rice wasn’t exceptionally fast

Dak_Attack_09 · May 1, 2020

starfrombirth said:
To be fair Chris Johnson was a monster until injuries got him. He was a rushing champion 1 year and in the running the rest... again until injuries. Bo Jackson was another underwear olympics champion and was destined for sure fire HOF until his hip joint exploded. But yeah, I agree with you speed isn't everything but it's nice to have it whenever you can.

conner01 said:
Ask the ones trying to chase cooper around
Speed is great
Great route running gets you open
The greatest receiver of all time was not a fast guy but he got open and caught the ball

So what happened to those 8 away game or when he faced a top CB like Gilmore & Lattimore?

Dak_Attack_09 · May 1, 2020

SSoup said:
Yes.

Gallup averaged 15.4 yards per catch in 2018 and 16.8 in 2019. A little thing called good route running. He's creeping on a 17 yard average last season and dummies are acting like he's some slow plodder because he's a football player instead of a sprinter at a track meet. I have terrible news for the people fetishizing speed over route running. We'd have been much worse if you put Tavon Austin on the field instead of any of our actual route-running professional wide receivers.

I want a WR that can run routes with speed.. it’s a given that your supposed to be able to run routes as receiver.

Too bad Gallup can run all the routes he wants to, but if he keeps dropping those balls it’s useless.

Kwyn · May 1, 2020

Dak_Attack_09 said:
They are average when you compare them to other top WRs in the league who run fast as them if not faster.

Last time I checked, wide receivers don’t cover other wide receivers

Also, you must have some weird definition of “top WR“ because our three guys 40 times are similar to or better than the *actual* top WR’s in the league

Michael Thomas - 4.57
Julio Jones - 4.39
Deandre Hopkins - 4.57
Davante Adams - 4.56
Odell Beckham - 4.43
Chris Godwin - 4.42
Stefon Diffs - 4.46
Mike Evans - 4.53
Jarvis Landry - 4.77

Amari Cooper - 4.42
Ceedee Lamb - 4.51
Michael Gallup - 4.51

Idgit · May 1, 2020

I’ve never understood this argument. What you need are mismatches against their coverage players. If you can beat zone in general, and if your WRs can beat the guy in front of them in man, what difference does it make if they’re doing it with precise route running or with speed, or by stealing 50/50 balls. It doesn’t matter how you beat a CB if you can consistently beat him.

fivetwos · May 1, 2020

I'm positive some of these threads are started to see how much trouble can be caused.

PJTHEDOORS · May 1, 2020

Kwyn said:
Amari Cooper - 4.42
Ceedee Lamb - 4.51
Michael Gallup - 4.51

Gallup - 4.45 at pro day.

Kingofholland · May 1, 2020

Dak_Attack_09 said:
Dallas has accumulated too many WRs that are lesser clone of each other and really do not compliment the players on the roster fully.

This offense needs true speed and right now just about every team has WRs that runS 4.4 NFL WRs. Dallas should acquire someone like J.J Nelson 4.2 forty time that can blow the top off defense consistently.

Another option is to trade Gallup who really is a #3 with CD in the building and the front office shouldn’t overpay for a consistent ball dropping #3 receiver.

Our receivers aren't really slow and have plenty of speed to stretch the field and go the distance. Sub 4.4 Straight line speed is way overrated and yet the Al Davis types can't stay away.

Sandyf · May 1, 2020

Dak_Attack_09 said:
Dallas has accumulated too many WRs that are lesser clone of each other and really do not compliment the players on the roster fully.

This offense needs true speed and right now just about every team has WRs that runS 4.4 NFL WRs. Dallas should acquire someone like J.J Nelson 4.2 forty time that can blow the top off defense consistently.

Another option is to trade Gallup who really is a #3 with CD in the building and the front office shouldn’t overpay for a consistent ball dropping #3 receiver.

Smith runs a 4.3, Gallup has run in the 4.4s, have the speed no reason to sign anyone else or a ridiculous trade of possibly is our #1 in a couple of years.

xwalker · May 1, 2020

JW82 said:
So you want to trade an 1100 yard ascending receiver for a guy who has 1400 career yards in 5 years. Step into my office, you're fired..you're rehired, just so I can fire you again!

Unfortunately everyone is allowed to create threads. There are no minimum knowledge of football requirements...

xwalker · May 1, 2020

Sydla said:
I think it's safe to say this guy starts the dumbest threads.

I don't know which is the saddest, trolls that start bad threads or people that actually believe the complete nonsense that they post...
:hammer:

xwalker · May 1, 2020

CowboysBravesSpurs said:
Such a stupid thread lmao. Obviously some kid who plays way too much Madden. Imagine thinking 4.4 is the average speed in the NFL. LOL. Stay in school kid.

xwalker · May 1, 2020

JBell said:
Mike Williams led all WR’s in yards per catch last year and he’s a 4.5 guy. AJ Brown was 2nd and runs a 4.49. Kenny Golladay was 3rd and runs a 4.5.

Our own Michael Gallup was 7th and runs a 4.5.

CeeDee had over 21 yards a catch last year. Explosive plays won’t be a problem for our trio of WR’s. Even Jarwin is capable of big plays.

Put down the Xbox controllers.

Dallas has too many slow WRs, need to add speed!

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