Archer: How The Cowboys Are Adding Depth, Not Leverage With Andy Dalton

darthseinfeld · May 3, 2020

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sunalsorises · May 3, 2020

If Dak being hurt was truly the reason Dallas lost to the Eagles with the division on the line then signing Andy Dalton makes sense. It just seems weird they would tender Cooper Rush instead of addressing the position before now.

visionary · May 3, 2020

It’s depth AND leverage

Great signing IMO

darthseinfeld · May 3, 2020

sunalsorises said:
If Dak being hurt was truly the reason Dallas lost to the Eagles with the division in the line then signing Andy Dalton makes sense. It just seems weird they would tender Cooper Rush instead of addressing the position before now.

Daltons contract is pretty cheap for a backup. My guess is they didnt want to spend market value on a back up QB. Dalton being willing to take 3M probably changed their minds

MarcusRock · May 3, 2020

Duh. Dak being durable all these years has been a bonus but it's foolish to not have insurance just in case, especially after hurting himself vs. the Rams last year. But it's the "we're not going to be market setters" high of the anti crowd so let them have their moment. And it will only be a moment. Lol.

bewp7 · May 3, 2020

yeah i know people do not have any sports to talk about right now but people are being silly. i just do not think most football fans realize how important backup quarterback can be for contending teams. eagles do not win the super bowl without foles...chiefs might not win the super bowl if matt moore does not win against the broncos and vikings and help the chiefs secure the bye and that is just the past few seasons for examples.

really any one who thinks this has any thing to do with dak and his contract just need to look at daltons contract...he is a backup and was signed to be the backup.

Adreme · May 3, 2020

visionary said:
It’s depth AND leverage

Great signing IMO

Dak's leverage did not go down because the situation did not change. He can still play 2 years under the franchise tag, leave and reset the market if Dallas does not offer a deal he wants. Dallas is then left with effectively no starter at QB unless Dalton sticks around and even then your starter is not that good.

ElGatoGrande · May 3, 2020

Adreme said:
Dak's leverage did not go down because the situation did not change. He can still play 2 years under the franchise tag, leave and reset the market if Dallas does not offer a deal he wants. Dallas is then left with effectively no starter at QB unless Dalton sticks around and even then your starter is not that good.

Dalton has never had an offense like this one around him,,, maybe there's a reason he's willing to take less to come here.

Super_Kazuya · May 3, 2020

LOL. The panic by insecure Dak slobberers is palpable. They are basically hyperventilating.

This is clearly a leverage move. Archer is a moron, and the media has been wrong about these negotiations for going on two years now. They know nothing. Remember when they were saying the sides were “so close” and then coming back and saying that the two sides haven’t even spoke in months? lol

FuzzyLumpkins · May 3, 2020

GROD is real try hard when it comes to the mental gymnastics to conclude Dak is on the way out but this signing doesn't carry water towards that end.

Dalton is not accepting a $3m contract with any expectation that start. Even with incentives it's not 8 figures.

Super_Kazuya · May 3, 2020

MarcusRock said:
Duh. Dak being durable all these years has been a bonus but it's foolish to not have insurance just in case, especially after hurting himself vs. the Rams last year. But it's the "we're not going to be market setters" high of the anti crowd so let them have their moment. And it will only be a moment. Lol.

“Dak will be signed any day now and you’ll be crying.” - Dak slobberers for 602 consecutive days

never gets old.

Adreme · May 3, 2020

ElGatoGrande said:
Dalton has never had an offense like this one around him,,, maybe there's a reason he's willing to take less to come here.

He has some pretty good players around him. I would say there were years with the Bengals where he had better weapons to throw to then what he has now. In fact I would say that about most of his years with the Bengals. That is not a slight against the Cowboys receiving group, the Bengals have always just been pretty good at finding weapons for the offense. I also would think their defense, some of those years, was stronger than what the Cowboys defense will be. Again not a slight to the Cowboys.

Andy Dalton has always been a giant meh. Not so terrible that you think he should be benched, but nowhere near being the guy. He probably should be a backup, because that is about where his skill level is.

CATCH17 · May 3, 2020

Oh it’s leverage..

Dallas can play the season without Dak now and have minimal if any drop off at the QB position.

FuzzyLumpkins · May 3, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
LOL. The panic by insecure Dak slobberers is palpable. They are basically hyperventilating.

This is clearly a leverage move. Archer is a moron, and the media has been wrong about these negotiations for going on two years now. They know nothing. Remember when they were saying the sides were “so close” and then coming back and saying that the two sides haven’t even spoke in months? lol

I fail to see how it provides any leverage. Dalton signed for backup money. If you actually look at what VFA starting QBs even the bad ones sign for it should be obvious.

Do you honestly think that Dak and his reps are worried that Dalton is taking their job. By your logic, when the Cowboys signed Kosar in the early 90s it was a comment on Aikman.

And I REALLY like how you take what is obviously Dak's camp and the Cowboys brass with two different narratives, acting like "they" were the same entity, and that you can glean anything meaningful from media posturing.

America's Cowboy · May 3, 2020

It's definitely not leverage for the Cowboys signing Dalton, because all they would be doing (if leverage was the case) would be disrespecting and pissing off Dak. All that would do is encourage Dak to sit out several games to start the 2020 season and prove to the Cowboys how badly they truly need to sign Dak to what he wants.

speedkilz88 · May 3, 2020

sunalsorises said:
If Dak being hurt was truly the reason Dallas lost to the Eagles with the division on the line then signing Andy Dalton makes sense. It just seems weird they would tender Cooper Rush instead of addressing the position before now.

Rush's tender makes no difference. They can cut him today if they want.

There wasn't an Andy Dalton available until now. They took the opportunity when it arrived. He's only getting 3 million if he isn't needed.

Philmonroe · May 3, 2020

Adreme said:
He has some pretty good players around him. I would say there were years with the Bengals where he had better weapons to throw to then what he has now. In fact I would say that about most of his years with the Bengals. That is not a slight against the Cowboys receiving group, the Bengals have always just been pretty good at finding weapons for the offense. I also would think their defense, some of those years, was stronger than what the Cowboys defense will be. Again not a slight to the Cowboys.

Andy Dalton has always been a giant meh. Not so terrible that you think he should be benched, but nowhere near being the guy. He probably should be a backup, because that is about where his skill level is.

Oh I see the Dak bias in some because where is the coaching excuses that Dak always gets? Them two are the same player and I’m willing to bet a grand total of 1 big dollar if Dak holds out there will be no drop off in our usual 8-8 &9-7 trajectory we normally get with Dak

America's Cowboy · May 3, 2020

FuzzyLumpkins said:
I fail to see how it provides any leverage. Dalton signed for backup money. If you actually look at what VFA starting QBs even the bad ones sign for it should be obvious.

Do you honestly think that Dak and his reps are worried that Dalton is taking their job. By your logic, when the Cowboys signed Kosar in the early 90s it was a comment on Aikman.

And I REALLY like how you take what is obviously Dak's camp and the Cowboys brass with two different narratives, acting like "they" were the same entity, and that you can glean anything meaningful from media posturing.

No use talking to him. He simply doesn't get it (or have it) in the cabeza. Just good for entertainment purposes.

:popcorn:

Super_Kazuya · May 3, 2020

FuzzyLumpkins said:
I fail to see how it provides any leverage. Dalton signed for backup money. If you actually look at what VFA starting QBs even the bad ones sign for it should be obvious.

Do you honestly think that Dak and his reps are worried that Dalton is taking their job. By your logic, when the Cowboys signed Kosar in the early 90s it was a comment on Aikman.

And I REALLY like how you take what is obviously Dak's camp and the Cowboys brass with two different narratives, acting like "they" were the same entity or that you can glean anything meaningful from media posturing.

Of course he is going to be the backup, It doesn’t matter what Dalton signed for. If Dak plays this year then the worst case scenario is that he’s going to make over 30 million on the franchise tag. The salary of the two will dictate who starts, not any kind of pretend implied competition between the two.
The leverage is that the Cowboys can credibly stick to whatever line in the sand they’ve drawn in face of a holdout and not have to pretend they’re confident in a QB group that has never made an NFL start.

FuzzyLumpkins · May 3, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
Of course he is going to be the backup, It doesn’t matter what Dalton signed for. If Dak plays this year then the worst case scenario is that he’s going to make over 30 million on the franchise tag. The salary of the two will dictate who starts, not any kind of pretend implied competition between the two.
The leverage is that the Cowboys can credibly stick to whatever line in the sand they’ve drawn in face of a holdout and not have to pretend they’re confident in a QB group that has never made an NFL start.

They could do that anyway. They have a history of holding the line under less favorable circumstances.

Do you have any idea how Dalton performed last season? His YPA, pick rate, and completion percentage has been below average to bottom quartile for the last 3 years.

It's entertaining that your faction is hitching your hopes to that wagon.

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