How many playoffs game did Dalton win?

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Are you talking about him being our franchise Quarterback or being a guy on a $3m 1-year deal to be our second string backup to Dak?

Do you make similar arguments stating that Tony Pollard is trash because he’s not Barry Sanders?

What about Blake “The Belldozer” Bell? He’s a backup tight end? Why isn’t he as good as Witten in his prime?

I don’t get why you, and others. Are trying to make this out to be something it’s not. As a backup QB, Andy Dalton has *exactly* the type of experience you want. He’s smart, has been a starting QB for almost a decade, can be a good mentor and teacher to a guy like DiNucci, should be able to come in and at least manage a couple of games or so and give us a chance to win.

No one expects to be able to ride him to a perfect season and a Super Bowl championship.
So we’ve had the debate vs “experienced” back up we know isn’t good vs. drafting someone who may turn out to be good, right?

Did we pay Pollard $3 million for a year to come in with potential to make more or did we draft him?

Dalton is not good. I’d rather roll with an unknown who might possibly turn out to be good if given the chance.
 

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Well, perhaps he sees an opportunity to become a starter in Dallas? The real question is, who's idea was it to sign for a year? Was it the teams or was it Dalton's? Either way, Dalton has a good chance of being the starter this season, in Dallas, for a number of games. If Dak holds out, he's the starter. If Dak signs but doesn't show up for several games, he's the starter. If Dak gets injured after having held out, he's a starter so he has a really good chance of showcasing his skills in an Offense with way more tools then anything he ever had in Cincy. If Dak ultimately moves on, there is the possibility of an extension as well. I don't think it hurts that he already has a home in Dallas and that his family does not have to adjust. Remember, Dalton has young children that will need to go to school at some point and the situation around Dallas is probably much better for his family. Remember, Jordan Dalton is also from Texas so you figure it's easier all the way around for them.
  1. I’m almost certain the one year deal was Dalton and his agent. He said, straight up, thet Cincy holding him as long as they did prevented him from having a chance to compete for a starting job with the rest of the free agent class. He wants this to be a one a-year deal where he gets to stay in his hole town, with his family, and be a backup while earning 3 million.
  2. Zero percent chance Dalton is the starter over Dak unless Dak holds out. That won’t happen because the franchise tag decision was really forced by Dak’s team because they want to delay his contract signing until 2021 when Mahomes and Watson enter their fifth year options and are able to negotiated their 200m deals.
    Well, perhaps he sees an opportunity to become a starter in Dallas? The real question is, who's idea was it to sign for a year? Was it the teams or was it Dalton's? Either way, Dalton has a good chance of being the starter this season, in Dallas, for a number of games. If Dak holds out, he's the starter. If Dak signs but doesn't show up for several games, he's the starter. If Dak gets injured after having held out, he's a starter so he has a really good chance of showcasing his skills in an Offense with way more tools then anything he ever had in Cincy. If Dak ultimately moves on, there is the possibility of an extension as well. I don't think
So we’ve had the debate vs “experienced” back up we know isn’t good vs. drafting someone who may turn out to be good, right?

Did we pay Pollard $3 million for a year to come in with potential to make more or did we draft him?

Dalton is not good. I’d rather roll with an unknown who might possibly turn out to be good if given the chance.
We drafted Pollard to come in and be a backup to Zeke. He’s able to start if Zeke were to suffer an injury

We signed Dalton to come in and be a backup to Dak. He’s able to start if Dak were to suffer an injury.

We drafted DiNucci to be a project QB. McCarthy has always valued having a raw young talent to develop over time. Maybe it hits, maybe it doesn’t.

One of these things is not like the other. One of these things is not quite the same.

It’s bewildering to me how discussions on this board include such far fetched other-planet realities such as Dalton challenging for the starting job or DiNucci being one season away from being Johnny Unitas.

That’s fantasy stuff and there’s not an NFL front office in the league who would entertain either idea.

But here in the FanZone, it’s commonplace
 

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  1. I’m almost certain the one year deal was Dalton and his agent. He said, straight up, thet Cincy holding him as long as they did prevented him from having a chance to compete for a starting job with the rest of the free agent class. He wants this to be a one a-year deal where he gets to stay in his hole town, with his family, and be a backup while earning 3 million.
  2. Zero percent chance Dalton is the starter over Dak unless Dak holds out. That won’t happen because the franchise tag decision was really forced by Dak’s team because they want to delay his contract signing until 2021 when Mahomes and Watson enter their fifth year options and are able to negotiated their 200m deals.

We drafted Pollard to come in and be a backup to Zeke. He’s able to start if Zeke were to suffer an injury

We signed Dalton to come in and be a backup to Dak. He’s able to start if Dak were to suffer an injury.

We drafted DiNucci to be a project QB. McCarthy has always valued having a raw young talent to develop over time. Maybe it hits, maybe it doesn’t.

One of these things is not like the other. One of these things is not quite the same.

It’s bewildering to me how discussions on this board include such far fetched other-planet realities such as Dalton challenging for the starting job or DiNucci being one season away from being Johnny Unitas.

That’s fantasy stuff and there’s not an NFL front office in the league who would entertain either idea.

But here in the FanZone, it’s commonplace
If we had a conversation about why I didn’t like the signing, why did you ask me a question about not liking Pollard because he isn’t Barry Sanders? It’s apples and potatoes.

Do you just believe everyone should agree with every decision?
 

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So we’ve had the debate vs “experienced” back up we know isn’t good vs. drafting someone who may turn out to be good, right?

Did we pay Pollard $3 million for a year to come in with potential to make more or did we draft him?

Dalton is not good. I’d rather roll with an unknown who might possibly turn out to be good if given the chance.
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  1. I’m almost certain the one year deal was Dalton and his agent. He said, straight up, thet Cincy holding him as long as they did prevented him from having a chance to compete for a starting job with the rest of the free agent class. He wants this to be a one a-year deal where he gets to stay in his hole town, with his family, and be a backup while earning 3 million.
  2. Zero percent chance Dalton is the starter over Dak unless Dak holds out. That won’t happen because the franchise tag decision was really forced by Dak’s team because they want to delay his contract signing until 2021 when Mahomes and Watson enter their fifth year options and are able to negotiated their 200m deals.

We drafted Pollard to come in and be a backup to Zeke. He’s able to start if Zeke were to suffer an injury

We signed Dalton to come in and be a backup to Dak. He’s able to start if Dak were to suffer an injury.

We drafted DiNucci to be a project QB. McCarthy has always valued having a raw young talent to develop over time. Maybe it hits, maybe it doesn’t.

One of these things is not like the other. One of these things is not quite the same.

It’s bewildering to me how discussions on this board include such far fetched other-planet realities such as Dalton challenging for the starting job or DiNucci being one season away from being Johnny Unitas.

That’s fantasy stuff and there’s not an NFL front office in the league who would entertain either idea.

But here in the FanZone, it’s commonplace
It was also a fantasy to think that a 4th round pick like Dak would get a shot until the 2 QBs ahead of him had an injury. QBs are coming out of college more ready than in years past.
 

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It gets tiring seeing all the Dak bashing and then over the top Dak defending, man. :) Most people see Dalton's signing for what it is...to backup Dak. Some pull out all the stops to trash him because apparently it's some kind of threat to Dak. That's kind of ridiculous. There are definitely guys out there that pull out all the stops if they think Dak has been threatened, insulted, or show disrespect in any way.

Dak has his problems. He has things he needs to work on. I've no doubt he'll work on them. If he wants a short contract and that's the main issue, it is probably best for him to play under the tag this year...if the Cowboys kill it, he's strengthening his position. As it stands, his negotiation position has weakened a bit. Like Romo, Dak is going to have people just not like him for whatever reason.


I see it as sign players and let the best man win. Why wouldn't a true fan of the TEAM...want that. If it';s Dak then let it be Dak....If it's Andy that cheer him on as hard as you can.


Why should we just automatically assign Andy his back up role. We let Dak keep Tony's job out of superstition. That doesn't work.

I'm not saying a bad game get's you benched for the year...BUT.....Let the best players fight for the job.
 

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It was also a fantasy to think that a 4th round pick like Dak would get a shot until the 2 QBs ahead of him had an injury. QBs are coming out of college more ready than in years past.
Depending on who is responding, that was either pure luck or a curse.

Put me down for luck. Fourth round QB’s very rarely become pro-bowl level QB’s.

Now we have people who, because of one thread last week with a few highlights, proclaiming a 7th round pick from a small school that has a grand total of two NFL players to ever have substantial careers, to be the second coming of Johnny Unitas.

mans for that, they are willing to roll the dice on the entire season hinging on Dak having a another injury free season

Eventually, Dak’s gonna get hurt. Even Fabre, the NFL Ironman, got hurt.
 

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In 2019 Dak was 2 yards away from breaking the Cowboys all-time record for passing yards in season.


... and went 4-8 against teams not named the Giants or Commanders. Doesn't mean a hill of beans.
 

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So you were good with Dak from 2016-2018 but in 2019 when talk about big money started it made you change your mind?

Like in the real working world, you get paid what you're worth to your employer. He wouldn't be worth that much money if I was Jerry but, who knows, Jerry may still pay him. If I was ranking Dak he would fall between 8 and 15 which is not top 5 money for sure.
 

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Like in the real working world, you get paid what you're worth to your employer. He wouldn't be worth that much money if I was Jerry but, who knows, Jerry may still pay him. If I was ranking Dak he would fall between 8 and 15 which is not top 5 money for sure.
But you were happy with his play considering he was only making $4 million for 4 years and that was a tremendous value for a QB ranked 8-15?
 

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Well, perhaps he sees an opportunity to become a starter in Dallas? The real question is, who's idea was it to sign for a year? Was it the teams or was it Dalton's? Either way, Dalton has a good chance of being the starter this season, in Dallas, for a number of games. If Dak holds out, he's the starter. If Dak signs but doesn't show up for several games, he's the starter. If Dak gets injured after having held out, he's a starter so he has a really good chance of showcasing his skills in an Offense with way more tools then anything he ever had in Cincy. If Dak ultimately moves on, there is the possibility of an extension as well. I don't think it hurts that he already has a home in Dallas and that his family does not have to adjust. Remember, Dalton has young children that will need to go to school at some point and the situation around Dallas is probably much better for his family. Remember, Jordan Dalton is also from Texas so you figure it's easier all the way around for them.

If Dak isn't careful, it'll be Dalton getting the big contract from Dallas, not him. Yikes.
 

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Dalton was a sound signing providing some insurance the season isn’t necessarily over if Dak goes down or holds out. Nothing more.
 

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Depending on who is responding, that was either pure luck or a curse.

Put me down for luck. Fourth round QB’s very rarely become pro-bowl level QB’s.

Now we have people who, because of one thread last week with a few highlights, proclaiming a 7th round pick from a small school that has a grand total of two NFL players to ever have substantial careers, to be the second coming of Johnny Unitas.

mans for that, they are willing to roll the dice on the entire season hinging on Dak having a another injury free season

Eventually, Dak’s gonna get hurt. Even Fabre, the NFL Ironman, got hurt.


It wasn't luck. Dak got handed a dman good team. Something not many rookie QB's get. He's had some good stats but did he raise the team above him? Or...did the team raise him. It's a sincere question for us to ask ourselves there;s not true answer.
 

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But you were happy with his play considering he was only making $4 million for 4 years and that was a tremendous value for a QB ranked 8-15?

Like I said, you have to start working from the bottom and work up if you can unless you start at the top. Dak was a 4th round draft pick for a reason. Brady was definitely worth his money, Dak not so much.
 

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It wasn't luck. Dak got handed a dman good team. Something not many rookie QB's get. He's had some good stats but did he raise the team above him? Or...did the team raise him. It's a sincere question for us to ask ourselves there;s not true answer.
The luck part of it is the fact that Dak played well. Whether you give him 100% credit 0% credit or somewhere in between is the debate.

There are plenty of fourth round WB’s who would have come in and bombed, no matter how good the team was, destroying the teams season and then gotten cut before the playoffs were finished.

We got lucky in that Dak was, at a minimum, pretty good.
 

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The luck part of it is the fact that Dak played well. Whether you give him 100% credit 0% credit or somewhere in between is the debate.

There are plenty of fourth round WB’s who would have come in and bombed, no matter how good the team was, destroying the teams season and then gotten cut before the playoffs were finished.

We got lucky in that Dak was, at a minimum, pretty good.
I think we got "lucky" because we had a dman good team. Juggernaut even....offensively. Dak was what I would call the buss driver and he did quite well in that regard. At least for the regular season.

I do agree....all debatable. But if you can point to a consistent stat that Dak had for that year...that proves he was very intregal.....Im listening. Just no turnovers isn't a very good meter. I'll work with you on it....not trying to trap ya.
 
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