Defensive Formations - New Cowboys D-Coordinator

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New Cowboys D-Coordinator Mike Nolan's 2014 Atlanta Falcons Defensive formations:

Side Note:
- These are just for demonstration. Not saying the 2014 Falcons were great.
- The Falcons defense had very limited talent in 2014.
- They had 3 starters go to IR. Both inside LBs were UDFA types.
- They had some "name" players at the end of their careers.

Nolan used hybrid DE/LB type players.
#17 Kroy Biermann (6-3, 255) - The primary hybrid
#93 Malliciah Goodman (6-4, 276)
#94 Jonathan Massaquoi (6-2, 265)


Standard 4-2-5 Nickel (#71 at DE)

Big 4-3 (#71 at OLB)

3-3-5 vs 3 WRs

3-2-6
 

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looks like 4 men on the line all the time. No 3-4 looks with both OLB on the line like Parcells would do. I like the 3-4 elephant formation though, its good for blitzing and dog looks.

I am more interested in what happens after the snap. Where and how he blitzes, what coverages he uses, and the like.
 

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i'd like to take Nolan's work as DC per his Baltimore Ravens dayz, into reviewing work as well.
His whole entire body of work - what player preferences and schemes he used to work with , in both teams.
What did he do when he had top talent to work with - was he at his best in those days.
:cool:
 

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With the LBs we have in LVE, Jaylon and Sean Lee (or even Joe Thomas) I've always loved the idea of the 3-3-5.

And with the group of RDE candidates we have in Smith, Gregory, Anae and Armstrong you have to think that Big 4-3 will get a lot of snaps also.
 

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looks like 4 men on the line all the time. No 3-4 looks with both OLB on the line like Parcells would do. I like the 3-4 elephant formation though, its good for blitzing and dog looks.

I am more interested in what happens after the snap. Where and how he blitzes, what coverages he uses, and the like.

The general concept seems to be to use a use a formation that is 1/2 step bigger.


By 1/2 step bigger I'm referring to the ratio of front players (DL and LBs) vs DBs and/or the small DE at LB.

The big 4-3 with the DE/LB hybrid at OLB is bigger than a normal 4-3.

The 3-4 vs 3 WRs is a 1/2 step bigger than going to the 4-2-5 Nickel (4 DBs vs 5) but the extra OLB gives some flexibility in coverage over a 4-3.

The 3-3-5 is a 1/2 step bigger than than a 4-1-6 (5 DBs vs 6) but gives more flexibility than a 4-2-5 in coverage.

Mike Nolan had another formation where the Safeties crowd the line and #71 drops deep into the middle of the field in coverage.

He had #71 doing a little bit of everything. The draft pick Anae played a similar DE/LB hybrid role in college and has almost identical size to #71.

The reason for Mike Nolan's varied fronts appears to be focused on different methods to stop the run without sacrificing too much in coverage.

The #1 problem for the 2019 Cowboys defense and the Cowboys defense vs the Rams in the 2018 season playoff game was stopping the zone run.
- Marinelli's scheme had a weak spot vs zone runs and he wouldn't change his DL scheme.
- In 2019 Kris Richard tried to solve the problem by variations in the back 7, but without changing the DL scheme it just made things worse.
- Offenses were able to routinely get 2 OL out to block LBs when they ran the outside zone which has a cut back to the inside option for the RB.
- The biggest weakness was when the outside zone run started towards the side where the 1tech was aligned.
- Both the 1tech and the 3tech are 1 gap further from the outside when the run is to the side of the 1tech.
- Marinelli had the 1tech quickly jump towards the outside which put him in a bad leverage situation when the RB cut back inside behind him.
- In the Cowboys vs Rams playoff game the Rams started their runs towards the side of the 1tech almost 100% of the time.
- In the Rams vs Patriots Super Bowl, the Rams only ran a small number of times to the side of the 1tech DT because of a small alignment adjustment that Belichick made.

In the 2018 season Super Bowl, Belichick made a small alignment/assignments adjustment from the base 4-3 and 4-2-5 that he had been using that season.
- Belichick's adjustment screwed up the Rams precision zone blocking scheme and removed the weakness of the 4-3 and 4-2-5 vs the outside zone.
- The Rams resorted to trying to run inside zone or man blocking which took away the advantage that had gotten them to the Super Bowl.
- Belichick moved one of the behind the DL LBs to the outside and up near the line.
- He had that big LB play outside contain and the DE on that side would play the B gap inside the OT.
- Belichick would keep the LB there even when the slot WR was on that side.
- In Nickel, he often swapped the SS and Nickel CB with the NCB back as one of the 2-deep Safeties and the SS up near the line.
- The Rams focus vs the Cowboys had been to box out the LBs horizontally.
- LB stays inside the OL block, the RB stays outside. LB stays outside the OL block, the RB cuts back inside.
- Belichick's adjustment put the LB outside and limited the LB's need to move a significant distance horizontally.
- With the DE playing the B gap instead of C gap, it squeezed down the gaps in the DL.
- The 1tech could stay in his A gap instead of trying to just towards the outside against the outside zone run.
- In 2019 Belichick went back to a base 3-4 on 1st downs and short yardage.
- In 2019 he mixed it up on 2nd and 3rd downs with 3-4, 4-2-5, 2-5, 1-5-5 and even a 0-6-5 and 0-5-6.
- As you indicated the coverage has to be in sync with the front.
- In the 2018 season Super Bowl Belichick played a lot of 2 deep Safety often with the SS and Nickel CB swapped.
- Mike Nolan also used a base 2 deep Safety look as a base. Each Safety has the option to move up towards the line based on the offensive alignment to their side.

Cowboys and the hybrid DE/LB:

- As mentioned previously, the draft pick Anae played a hybrid DE/LB role in college.
- I could see Jaylon or Randy Gregory taking some of those responsibilities.
- Jaylon appeared to be 250+ in 2019.
- They did have Jaylon play somewhat of a hybrid role in 2019 when they would pull a DT on passing down and replace the DT with a LB.
- See my next post for a screenshot of that alignment.
- Jaylon basically replaced the DT and another LB replaced Jaylon's normal role. Jaylon primarily aligned in one of the wide gaps on either side on the lone DT.
- Jaylon would often pass rush either from the inside or outside in that formation.
 

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With the LBs we have in LVE, Jaylon and Sean Lee (or even Joe Thomas) I've always loved the idea of the 3-3-5.

And with the group of RDE candidates we have in Smith, Gregory, Anae and Armstrong you have to think that Big 4-3 will get a lot of snaps also.
Anae played a hybrid DE/LB role in college.

Gregory has LB athleticism.

Jaylon and LVE have 3-4 LB size.

Lee and Joe Thomas are better than average 3rd and 4th LBs on a base 4-2-5 team.
 

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Good breakdown. Who do you think would play Biermann's role on the Cowboys? My first thought would be Aldon Smith, but some have mentioned he's close to 300 lbs currently. Thought this would be an ideal spot for Chaisson if they drafted him. Gregory would make the most sense as he is a legitimate pass rusher, where Jaylon is more of a good blitzer.
 

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The general concept seems to be to use a use a formation that is 1/2 step bigger.

By 1/2 step bigger I'm referring to the ratio of front players (DL and LBs) vs DBs and/or the small DE at LB.

The big 4-3 with the DE/LB hybrid at OLB is bigger than a normal 4-3.

The 3-4 vs 3 WRs is a 1/2 step bigger than going to the 4-2-5 Nickel (4 DBs vs 5) but the extra OLB gives some flexibility in coverage over a 4-3.

The 3-3-5 is a 1/2 step bigger than than a 4-1-6 (5 DBs vs 6) but gives more flexibility than a 4-2-5 in coverage.

Mike Nolan had another formation where the Safeties crowd the line and #71 drops deep into the middle of the field in coverage.

He had #71 doing a little bit of everything. The draft pick Anae played a similar DE/LB hybrid role in college and has almost identical size to #71.

The reason for Mike Nolan's varied fronts appears to be focused on different methods to stop the run without sacrificing too much in coverage.

The #1 problem for the 2019 Cowboys defense and the Cowboys defense vs the Rams in the 2018 season playoff game was stopping the zone run.
- Marinelli's scheme had a weak spot vs zone runs and he wouldn't change his DL scheme.
- In 2019 Kris Richard tried to solve the problem by variations in the back 7, but without changing the DL scheme it just made things worse.
- Offenses were able to routinely get 2 OL out to block LBs when they ran the outside zone which has a cut back to the inside option for the RB.
- The biggest weakness was when the outside zone run started towards the side where the 1tech was aligned.
- Both the 1tech and the 3tech are 1 gap further from the outside when the run is to the side of the 1tech.
- Marinelli had the 1tech quickly jump towards the outside which put him in a bad leverage situation when the RB cut back inside behind him.
- In the Cowboys vs Rams playoff game the Rams started their runs towards the side of the 1tech almost 100% of the time.
- In the Rams vs Patriots Super Bowl, the Rams only ran a small number of times to the side of the 1tech DT because of a small alignment adjustment that Belichick made.

In the 2018 season Super Bowl, Belichick made a small alignment/assignments adjustment from the base 4-3 and 4-2-5 that he had been using that season.
- Belichick's adjustment screwed up the Rams precision zone blocking scheme and removed the weakness of the 4-3 and 4-2-5 vs the outside zone.
- The Rams resorted to trying to run inside zone or man blocking which took away the advantage that had gotten them to the Super Bowl.
- Belichick moved one of the behind the DL LBs to the outside and up near the line.
- He had that big LB play outside contain and the DE on that side would play the B gap inside the OT.
- Belichick would keep the LB there even when the slot WR was on that side.
- In Nickel, he often swapped the SS and Nickel CB with the NCB back as one of the 2-deep Safeties and the SS up near the line.
- The Rams focus vs the Cowboys had been to box out the LBs horizontally.
- LB stays inside the OL block, the RB stays outside. LB stays outside the OL block, the RB cuts back inside.
- Belichick's adjustment put the LB outside and limited the LB's need to move a significant distance horizontally.
- With the DE playing the B gap instead of C gap, it squeezed down the gaps in the DL.
- The 1tech could stay in his A gap instead of trying to just towards the outside against the outside zone run.
- In 2019 Belichick went back to a base 3-4 on 1st downs and short yardage.
- In 2019 he mixed it up on 2nd and 3rd downs with 3-4, 4-2-5, 2-5, 1-5-5 and even a 0-6-5 and 0-5-6.
- As you indicated the coverage has to be in sync with the front.
- In the 2018 season Super Bowl Belichick played a lot of 2 deep Safety often with the SS and Nickel CB swapped.
- Mike Nolan also used a base 2 deep Safety look as a base. Each Safety has the option to move up towards the line based on the offensive alignment to their side.

Cowboys and the hybrid DE/LB:

- As mentioned previously, the draft pick Anae played a hybrid DE/LB role in college.
- I could see Jaylon or Randy Gregory taking some of those responsibilities.
- Jaylon appeared to be 250+ in 2019.
- They did have Jaylon play somewhat of a hybrid role in 2019 when they would pull a DT on passing down and replace the DT with a LB.
- See my next post for a screenshot of that alignment.
- Jaylon basically replaced the DT and another LB replaced Jaylon's normal role. Jaylon primarily aligned in one of the wide gaps on either side on the lone DT.
- Jaylon would often pass rush either from the inside or outside in that formation.

Poe not scheme is going to be the biggest reason that OL will have to stay home and not release.

DT play was the biggest issue. We were fine with McClain a few years ago but his replacements have been mediocre to bad.

A larger SAM doesn't do much for me. That goes doubly for 3 WR sets. You pigeonhole yourself to short zones or blitz which is easy to exploit.
 

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i'd like to take Nolan's work as DC per his Baltimore Ravens dayz, into reviewing work as well.
His whole entire body of work - what player preferences and schemes he used to work with , in both teams.
What did he do when he had top talent to work with - was he at his best in those days.
:cool:
The 2003 Ravens were 6th in points allowed and 3rd in yards allowed.

The 2004 Ravens were also 6th in points allowed.

Mike Nolan appears to be one of those guys like Wade Phillips that is a good DC but got in over his head as an NFL Head Coach.

His last season as a DC with the 2014 Atlanta Falcons, the talent level was not very good.
- He lost 3 of the better starters that season.
- Both starting ILBs were 2nd year UDFAs.
- Almost all of the "name" players on that defense that were not on IR ended up out of the NFL within 2 years.
- Desmond Trufant was the primary in his prime player that didn't go to IR that season.
 

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The general concept seems to be to use a use a formation that is 1/2 step bigger.

By 1/2 step bigger I'm referring to the ratio of front players (DL and LBs) vs DBs and/or the small DE at LB.

The big 4-3 with the DE/LB hybrid at OLB is bigger than a normal 4-3.

The 3-4 vs 3 WRs is a 1/2 step bigger than going to the 4-2-5 Nickel (4 DBs vs 5) but the extra OLB gives some flexibility in coverage over a 4-3.

The 3-3-5 is a 1/2 step bigger than than a 4-1-6 (5 DBs vs 6) but gives more flexibility than a 4-2-5 in coverage.

Mike Nolan had another formation where the Safeties crowd the line and #71 drops deep into the middle of the field in coverage.

He had #71 doing a little bit of everything. The draft pick Anae played a similar DE/LB hybrid role in college and has almost identical size to #71.

The reason for Mike Nolan's varied fronts appears to be focused on different methods to stop the run without sacrificing too much in coverage.

The #1 problem for the 2019 Cowboys defense and the Cowboys defense vs the Rams in the 2018 season playoff game was stopping the zone run.
- Marinelli's scheme had a weak spot vs zone runs and he wouldn't change his DL scheme.
- In 2019 Kris Richard tried to solve the problem by variations in the back 7, but without changing the DL scheme it just made things worse.
- Offenses were able to routinely get 2 OL out to block LBs when they ran the outside zone which has a cut back to the inside option for the RB.
- The biggest weakness was when the outside zone run started towards the side where the 1tech was aligned.
- Both the 1tech and the 3tech are 1 gap further from the outside when the run is to the side of the 1tech.
- Marinelli had the 1tech quickly jump towards the outside which put him in a bad leverage situation when the RB cut back inside behind him.
- In the Cowboys vs Rams playoff game the Rams started their runs towards the side of the 1tech almost 100% of the time.
- In the Rams vs Patriots Super Bowl, the Rams only ran a small number of times to the side of the 1tech DT because of a small alignment adjustment that Belichick made.

In the 2018 season Super Bowl, Belichick made a small alignment/assignments adjustment from the base 4-3 and 4-2-5 that he had been using that season.
- Belichick's adjustment screwed up the Rams precision zone blocking scheme and removed the weakness of the 4-3 and 4-2-5 vs the outside zone.
- The Rams resorted to trying to run inside zone or man blocking which took away the advantage that had gotten them to the Super Bowl.
- Belichick moved one of the behind the DL LBs to the outside and up near the line.
- He had that big LB play outside contain and the DE on that side would play the B gap inside the OT.
- Belichick would keep the LB there even when the slot WR was on that side.
- In Nickel, he often swapped the SS and Nickel CB with the NCB back as one of the 2-deep Safeties and the SS up near the line.
- The Rams focus vs the Cowboys had been to box out the LBs horizontally.
- LB stays inside the OL block, the RB stays outside. LB stays outside the OL block, the RB cuts back inside.
- Belichick's adjustment put the LB outside and limited the LB's need to move a significant distance horizontally.
- With the DE playing the B gap instead of C gap, it squeezed down the gaps in the DL.
- The 1tech could stay in his A gap instead of trying to just towards the outside against the outside zone run.
- In 2019 Belichick went back to a base 3-4 on 1st downs and short yardage.
- In 2019 he mixed it up on 2nd and 3rd downs with 3-4, 4-2-5, 2-5, 1-5-5 and even a 0-6-5 and 0-5-6.
- As you indicated the coverage has to be in sync with the front.
- In the 2018 season Super Bowl Belichick played a lot of 2 deep Safety often with the SS and Nickel CB swapped.
- Mike Nolan also used a base 2 deep Safety look as a base. Each Safety has the option to move up towards the line based on the offensive alignment to their side.

Cowboys and the hybrid DE/LB:

- As mentioned previously, the draft pick Anae played a hybrid DE/LB role in college.
- I could see Jaylon or Randy Gregory taking some of those responsibilities.
- Jaylon appeared to be 250+ in 2019.
- They did have Jaylon play somewhat of a hybrid role in 2019 when they would pull a DT on passing down and replace the DT with a LB.
- See my next post for a screenshot of that alignment.
- Jaylon basically replaced the DT and another LB replaced Jaylon's normal role. Jaylon primarily aligned in one of the wide gaps on either side on the lone DT.
- Jaylon would often pass rush either from the inside or outside in that formation.

good post!
 

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The 2003 Ravens were 6th in points allowed and 3rd in yards allowed.

The 2004 Ravens were also 6th in points allowed.

Mike Nolan appears to be one of those guys like Wade Phillips that is a good DC but got in over his head as an NFL Head Coach.

His last season as a DC with the 2014 Atlanta Falcons, the talent level was not very good.
- He lost 3 of the better starters that season.
- Both starting ILBs were 2nd year UDFAs.
- Almost all of the "name" players on that defense that were not on IR ended up out of the NFL within 2 years.
- Desmond Trufant was the primary in his prime player that didn't go to IR that season.

I would NOT say Nolan is a good DC, based on his coaching record.

his defenses rank among the worst in the NFL.

he hasn’t had a DC job since the nightmare season in Atlanta in 2014.

the only reason he was hired is because MM was hired by Nolan in 2005 to be the Niners OC.
 

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Poe not scheme is going to be the biggest reason that OL will have to stay home and not release.

DT play was the biggest issue. We were fine with McClain a few years ago but his replacements have been mediocre to bad.

A larger SAM doesn't do much for me. That goes doubly for 3 WR sets. You pigeonhole yourself to short zones or blitz which is easy to exploit.

Belichick is using similar concepts.
- In 2018 Belichick was playing a 4-3 or 4-2-5 base.
- Only 1 LB that had significant playing time weighed under 250.
- The others were all about 6-3 and ranged from 250 to 260.
- Belichick played a significant amount of 4-3 vs 3 WRs in the Rams-Patriots Super Bowl.
- That was generally with Van Noy (6-3 250) and HIghtower (6-3, 260) as the OLBs.
- In 2019 Belichick took it a step further with big LBs.
- He re-acquired Jamie Collins (6-3, 255), drafted college DE Chase Winovich (6-3, 250) and signed DE Shilique Calhoun (6-4, 260).
- Collins was a starter. Belichick often used Winovich, Calhoun and 2018 draft pick Ja'Whaun Bentley (6-2, 255) as LBs in sub packages.
 
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