What if we can do this?

Bullflop · May 5, 2020

Hey, I'm all for Cam and Dak and Dalton and all but sheesh, that was tedious! :grin:

To think I stayed outa bed for this?! Goodnight, folks! Now, I lay me down to sleep. . .

Hawkeye0202 · May 5, 2020

QuincyCarterEra said:
How do you delete someone's thread for them?

good one Q

THEHEREAFTER · May 5, 2020

I understand the quarantine is tough guys... :facepalm:

jaythecowboy · May 5, 2020

I don't understand how at the same time we have threads advocating trading Dak on a $31 million franchise tag and threads advocating rescinding the tag because no team has $30 million in cap space to sign him.

Pola_pe_a · May 5, 2020

AKATheRake said:
Dak finally signs his tag as Mahomes does not get a new deal done prior to the tag signing period deadline.

We have Dalton as a backup right now as we speak and are able to find a trade partner for Dak. We know we can get 2 first rounds picks from our future trade partner that values Dak as a young superstar and leader.

If the plan is to tag and trade Dak he will need to approve of the team he’s being traded to or he’ll simply refuse to negotiate a long term deal with the new team.

cowboyed · May 5, 2020

AKATheRake said:
Dak finally signs his tag as Mahomes does not get a new deal done prior to the tag signing period deadline.

We have Dalton as a backup right now as we speak and are able to find a trade partner for Dak. We know we can get 2 first rounds picks from our future trade partner that values Dak as a young superstar and leader. We also know that Dalton basically signed on for $3 million with real difficult incentives put in place to make $7 million.

We talk to Cam Newton's camp who says's his shoulder was cleared last season and good to go but the Lisfranc was the problem. However it is now fully healed being off since the 3rd week of last season and they are willing to do a 2 year $40,000,000 deal, $10 million guaranteed. That's $23,000, 000 to the QB position for 2020 as opposed to $35 to $43 million.

We then have Cam starting, Dalton backing up and 3 total 1st round pick in next years draft that has Trevor Lawrence and another solid QB class. Furthermore, if we do go far into the playoffs with Cam we can draft young impact players to fill the positions that held us back from taking it all.

Dak did bum his throwing shoulder at the end of the season so who knows there too healthwise. We were already a bit worried about his deep ball overall. Below is an interesting article ranking all QB's arm strength pro and college. Cam and Dalton are both ranked higher.

http://www.pass2win.com/ball-velocity-exposing-the-power-qb.html

My only question doing this is what would it do to the locker rooms moral? Newton has been to a Superbowl and is one of the leagues freak athletes. Other than Lamar Jackson, he's probably the most freakish QB in the league and 30 years old.

Cam's character off the field may not be as well reputed as Dak's but Cam definitely is a family man and a former 1st overall pick. He has never gotten to play with such weapons on offense also. 3 stud WR's, one of the leagues best o-lines, a blooming young TE and a perennial rushing leader all bundled in 1 offense.

What's everyone's take?

However much we toy with the statistics one way or the other for or against Dak one thing is quarterback cast in stone. The Dallas Cowboys highly value Dak Prescott. The new head coach highly values Dak Prescott. I don't think McCarthy would have come to the Cowboys if he believed he had a head coach killer at starting quarterback. The Cowboys wouldn't still be negotiating with Dak or even have tagged him if he was as very limited, bad, average, below average as some in here make him out to be.

I think Dak should accept the last contractual offer the Cowboys made him as it is in line with his peers. And I am quite annoyed he isn't participating in the computer based off-season program. But there is no need to grossly undervalue Dak. If you look at the best teams in the league they not only have very good or exceptional quarterbacks but also stout offenses, defenses and special teams and quality coaching. And now we finally may be among them!

I'll be happy and relieved if we even have a football season!

Dogs bark as the caravan rolls on....

Stash · May 5, 2020

AKATheRake · May 5, 2020

Pola_pe_a said:
If the plan is to tag and trade Dak he will need to approve of the team he’s being traded to or he’ll simply refuse to negotiate a long term deal with the new team.

Yes absolutely a challenging situation. Informative post.

It's a what if we can do this?

Flamma · May 5, 2020

AKATheRake said:
I don't expect anything from the Dolphins and it was hypothetical if we had a deal where we could get the 2, 1st's and that deal with Newton would we be opposed to doing it? We obviously have a 1st next year. The jags have 2 firsts and need a QB. Coughlin doesn't have another year to tank before he is let go of his job as GM over there, nor does that coaching staff.

Even a 2022 1st rounder to go with the 2021 1st rounder would be nice.

We know the Dolphins won't do it. The only other team currently with two firsts would be the Jags. If you were the Jags GM, would you give Dallas both your firsts and pay Dak a kings ransom when you have Minshew? I know he's not that good, but consider the alternative. Even a first in 2022 and 2021, what team would give that up right now? I'm not even complaining about the Cam part. What team can afford to give up those picks and pay Dak this year? Every team is close to or set at QB for 2020. Every team either drafted a QB or have a sizable cap hit on their current QB for 2020. Jags are the exception but aren't they currently dumping players? I think they're in rebuild/tank mode.

I see the hypothetical. I just don't think we'd get that much when the demand for QBs aren't high at the moment. Close to nil.

Denim Chicken · May 5, 2020

AKATheRake said:
We were already a bit worried about his deep ball overall.

Please don't use "we" because we're not

Flamma · May 5, 2020

AKATheRake said:
If Mahomes signs a new deal before the July 15 franchise signing deadline than Dak's franchise tag amount end up even higher against the cap as the top 5 salaries at the position would average out higher than they currently do.

Mahomes undoubtedly would become the highest player in the league with is new deal and deservedly so.

I'm not 100% on this, but I think it goes by the average salary of the top 5 QBs in 2020. If Mahomes signed an extension he'd still have to play out the last year of his rookie contract. So his average wouldn't jump for another year or two.

DallasEast · May 5, 2020

AKATheRake said:
Dak finally signs his tag as Mahomes does not get a new deal done prior to the tag signing period deadline.

We have Dalton as a backup right now as we speak and are able to find a trade partner for Dak. We know we can get 2 first rounds picks from our future trade partner that values Dak as a young superstar and leader. We also know that Dalton basically signed on for $3 million with real difficult incentives put in place to make $7 million.

We talk to Cam Newton's camp who says's his shoulder was cleared last season and good to go but the Lisfranc was the problem. However it is now fully healed being off since the 3rd week of last season and they are willing to do a 2 year $40,000,000 deal, $10 million guaranteed. That's $23,000, 000 to the QB position for 2020 as opposed to $35 to $43 million.

We then have Cam starting, Dalton backing up and 3 total 1st round pick in next years draft that has Trevor Lawrence and another solid QB class. Furthermore, if we do go far into the playoffs with Cam we can draft young impact players to fill the positions that held us back from taking it all.

Dak did bum his throwing shoulder at the end of the season so who knows there too healthwise. We were already a bit worried about his deep ball overall. Below is an interesting article ranking all QB's arm strength pro and college. Cam and Dalton are both ranked higher.

http://www.pass2win.com/ball-velocity-exposing-the-power-qb.html

My only question doing this is what would it do to the locker rooms moral? Newton has been to a Superbowl and is one of the leagues freak athletes. Other than Lamar Jackson, he's probably the most freakish QB in the league and 30 years old.

Cam's character off the field may not be as well reputed as Dak's but Cam definitely is a family man and a former 1st overall pick. He has never gotten to play with such weapons on offense also. 3 stud WR's, one of the leagues best o-lines, a blooming young TE and a perennial rushing leader all bundled in 1 offense.

What's everyone's take?

Why does anyone keep thinking Jerry Jones does not want Dak Prescott as his franchise quarterback for the next five to ten years?

CWR · May 5, 2020

AKATheRake said:
Dak finally signs his tag as Mahomes does not get a new deal done prior to the tag signing period deadline.

We have Dalton as a backup right now as we speak and are able to find a trade partner for Dak. We know we can get 2 first rounds picks from our future trade partner that values Dak as a young superstar and leader. We also know that Dalton basically signed on for $3 million with real difficult incentives put in place to make $7 million.

We talk to Cam Newton's camp who says's his shoulder was cleared last season and good to go but the Lisfranc was the problem. However it is now fully healed being off since the 3rd week of last season and they are willing to do a 2 year $40,000,000 deal, $10 million guaranteed. That's $23,000, 000 to the QB position for 2020 as opposed to $35 to $43 million.

We then have Cam starting, Dalton backing up and 3 total 1st round pick in next years draft that has Trevor Lawrence and another solid QB class. Furthermore, if we do go far into the playoffs with Cam we can draft young impact players to fill the positions that held us back from taking it all.

Dak did bum his throwing shoulder at the end of the season so who knows there too healthwise. We were already a bit worried about his deep ball overall. Below is an interesting article ranking all QB's arm strength pro and college. Cam and Dalton are both ranked higher.

http://www.pass2win.com/ball-velocity-exposing-the-power-qb.html

My only question doing this is what would it do to the locker rooms moral? Newton has been to a Superbowl and is one of the leagues freak athletes. Other than Lamar Jackson, he's probably the most freakish QB in the league and 30 years old.

Cam's character off the field may not be as well reputed as Dak's but Cam definitely is a family man and a former 1st overall pick. He has never gotten to play with such weapons on offense also. 3 stud WR's, one of the leagues best o-lines, a blooming young TE and a perennial rushing leader all bundled in 1 offense.

What's everyone's take?

Its all about how much will Dak improve. Can he take the next step and become an elite week in, week out QB option?

Is he that much better than Cam and Dalton to justify spending another 20 million? What would we do with the extra space?

32BellyOption · May 5, 2020

Or we can sign our young, talented QB to a fair contract and be done with it. If Dak is wanting the moon then we trade him, play Dalton this year and draft a QB next year. It’s not that complicated.

AKATheRake · May 5, 2020

Denim Chicken said:
Please don't use "we" because we're not

Ok Sir. Many!

AKATheRake · May 5, 2020

DallasEast said:
Why does anyone keep thinking Jerry Jones does not want Dak Prescott as his franchise quarterback for the next five to ten years?

I don't think, I know Jerry wants Dak. Dak wants to be here too. Been 2 years negotiating and the years are apparently the sticking point and there are also reports Dak wants the largest contract right now to sign.

AKATheRake · May 5, 2020

CowboysWillRise said:
Its all about how much will Dak improve. Can he take the next step and become an elite week in, week out QB option?

Is he that much better than Cam and Dalton to justify spending another 20 million? What would we do with the extra space?

There you go. Now we're talking. Big picture.

I think Dak is on the upswing. Definitely!

Cam's improvement would be because of scheme improvement and weapons which I believe Dallas would offer.

What we would do with the extra money would give us the opportunity to stock up the defense wherever we need it and give us draft picks to keep us yound and talented wherever we need it.

I'm for signing Dak first and foremost. But I am more interested in winning the Superbowl and hopefully going at it a few times in the next several years.

That's where the window with our core players is set at. 4 seasons.

Typhus · May 5, 2020

BrAinPaiNt said:
I need a valium

I'll take what your having, as well as what the OP is having.

Pola_pe_a · May 6, 2020

32BellyOption said:
Or we can sign our young, talented QB to a fair contract and be done with it. If Dak is wanting the moon then we trade him, play Dalton this year and draft a QB next year. It’s not that complicated.

You can’t trade him until he signs the tag. Even if he signs he can exert control over where he is traded by refusing to negotiate a long term deal with the new team.

Dak had more leverage than people want to acknowledge.

Doomsday101 · May 6, 2020

AKATheRake said:
Dak finally signs his tag as Mahomes does not get a new deal done prior to the tag signing period deadline.

We have Dalton as a backup right now as we speak and are able to find a trade partner for Dak. We know we can get 2 first rounds picks from our future trade partner that values Dak as a young superstar and leader. We also know that Dalton basically signed on for $3 million with real difficult incentives put in place to make $7 million.

We talk to Cam Newton's camp who says's his shoulder was cleared last season and good to go but the Lisfranc was the problem. However it is now fully healed being off since the 3rd week of last season and they are willing to do a 2 year $40,000,000 deal, $10 million guaranteed. That's $23,000, 000 to the QB position for 2020 as opposed to $35 to $43 million.

We then have Cam starting, Dalton backing up and 3 total 1st round pick in next years draft that has Trevor Lawrence and another solid QB class. Furthermore, if we do go far into the playoffs with Cam we can draft young impact players to fill the positions that held us back from taking it all.

Dak did bum his throwing shoulder at the end of the season so who knows there too healthwise. We were already a bit worried about his deep ball overall. Below is an interesting article ranking all QB's arm strength pro and college. Cam and Dalton are both ranked higher.

http://www.pass2win.com/ball-velocity-exposing-the-power-qb.html

My only question doing this is what would it do to the locker rooms moral? Newton has been to a Superbowl and is one of the leagues freak athletes. Other than Lamar Jackson, he's probably the most freakish QB in the league and 30 years old.

Cam's character off the field may not be as well reputed as Dak's but Cam definitely is a family man and a former 1st overall pick. He has never gotten to play with such weapons on offense also. 3 stud WR's, one of the leagues best o-lines, a blooming young TE and a perennial rushing leader all bundled in 1 offense.

What's everyone's take?

I'll be glad when Dak deal is done and this non sense comes to an end.

What if we can do this?

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