What is more important, Team or QB?

CowboyRoy · May 5, 2020

1. When it comes to winning it all what is more important? The QB or the team around the QB? The other parts of the team.

Lets either keep coaching out of it or assume we have a quality coach.

Reverend Conehead · May 5, 2020

Team, and of course the QB is part of that team. For proof, all you have to do is look at Archie Manning's career. He was every bit the quality QB that his son, Payton, was, but he was stuck on crappy teams and could not do a thing. No QB has ever won a championship without a quality team around him.

VACowboy · May 5, 2020

Depends on the team and the QB.

CowboyRoy · May 5, 2020

Reverend Conehead said:
Team, and of course the QB is part of that team. For proof, all you have to do is look at Archie Manning's career. He was every bit the quality QB that his son, Payton, was, but he was stuck on crappy teams and could not do a thing. No QB has ever won a championship without a quality team around him.

VACowboy · May 5, 2020

Reverend Conehead said:
Team, and of course the QB is part of that team. For proof, all you have to do is look at Archie Manning's career. He was every bit the quality QB that his son, Payton, was, but he was stuck on crappy teams and could not do a thing. No QB has ever won a championship without a quality team around him.

True, but I think Tom Brady has been way more important to the Pats for the past 175 years than the team around him.

Jake · May 5, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
1. When it comes to winning it all what is more important? The QB or the team around the QB? The other parts of the team.

Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Dan Marino did not.

Next question.

JJHLH1 · May 5, 2020

They are both important.

Team is huge, of course, but the NFL is all about the QB.

That’s why a good Cowboys team went 4-12 in 2015 when they didn’t have a quality passer.

rnr_honeybadger · May 5, 2020

Teams win games. Unfortunately most sports commentators and “analysts” lack the ability to talk about a team and instead focus on individual contributions, never looking at the bigger picture of what it took to orchestrate those individual contributions.

CowboyRoy · May 5, 2020

Jake said:
Trent Dilfer won a Super Bowl. Dan Marino did not.

Next question.

Amazing how simple the answer is to this question. Yet there are some on here that dont get that.

CowboyRoy · May 5, 2020

rnr_honeybadger said:
Teams win games. Unfortunately most sports commentators and “analysts” lack the ability to talk about a team and instead focus on individual contributions, never looking at the bigger picture of what it took to orchestrate those individual contributions.

big dog cowboy · May 5, 2020

Reverend Conehead said:
No QB has ever won a championship without a quality team around him.

There you go.

sean10mm · May 5, 2020

VACowboy said:
True, but I think Tom Brady has been way more important to the Pats for the past 175 years than the team around him.

Not really. He's a historically great player, but when the roster was poor he didn't win championships.

People thought he was washed up in 2013 because he lost most of his receiving weapons that year and had to throw to the likes of Kenbrell Thompkins and Josh Boyce. In 2014 they reload the roster and suddenly he's great again and wins his 1st title in 10 years.

And here is where the Patriots defense ranked in points allowed in the seasons he won titles: 6, 1, 2, 8, 1, 7. Tom Brady never won a title without a top 10 scoring defense.

This is also true of Troy Aikman and Roger Staubach. And probably a bunch of other Hall of Famers too.

kskboys · May 5, 2020

Team, of course.

However, most teams cannot compete w/o a good QB, so no, it's not that simple at all.

Reverend Conehead · May 5, 2020

sean10mm said:
Not really. He's a historically great player, but when the roster was poor he didn't win championships.

People thought he was washed up in 2013 because he lost most of his receiving weapons that year and had to throw to the likes of Kenbrell Thompkins and Josh Boyce. In 2014 they reload the roster and suddenly he's great again and wins his 1st title in 10 years.

And here is where the Patriots defense ranked in points allowed in the seasons he won titles: 6, 1, 2, 8, 1, 7. Tom Brady never won a title without a top 10 scoring defense.

This is also true of Troy Aikman and Roger Staubach. And probably a bunch of other Hall of Famers too.

^^^ This. Yes, it helps a lot to have a great QB instead just a really good one, but even the greats would not win a championship without a quality team behind him. Joe Montana would have been Joe Schmoe if he had played on a crappy team. He had a great coach whose system was perfect for his abilities, and they had a great defense with the likes of Ronnie Lott. I'm sure Montana himself would tell you he did not win those championships single handed.

Silverstar · May 5, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
1. When it comes to winning it all what is more important? The QB or the team around the QB? The other parts of the team.

Lets either keep coaching out of it or assume we have a quality coach.

The TEAM around the QB no doubt.

Jim Plunkett, Jim McMahon, Doug Williams, Jeff Hostetler, Mark Rypien, Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Eli Manning, Joe Flacco are all examples of average QB's winning SB's on great teams.

TwistedL0g1k · May 5, 2020

Reverend Conehead said:
No QB has ever won a championship without a quality team around him.

True!

A minimum level of QB play is a prerequisite though.

Some QB's will never win the big one, no matter how good the surrounding talent is.

Reverend Conehead · May 5, 2020

TwistedL0g1k said:
True!

A minimum level of QB play is a prerequisite though.

Some QB's will never win the big one, no matter how good the surrounding talent is.

That's also true. You don't win a championship with a scrub QB. Even Trent Dilfer was highly competent.

Doomsday101 · May 5, 2020

Reverend Conehead said:
Team, and of course the QB is part of that team. For proof, all you have to do is look at Archie Manning's career. He was every bit the quality QB that his son, Payton, was, but he was stuck on crappy teams and could not do a thing. No QB has ever won a championship without a quality team around him.

Both. I do agree all QB depend on others around them no one QB has ever done it alone. Flip side all QB take the heat more so than any player on the team for failure. I would also nothing gets you beat faster than poor QB play

BourbonBalz · May 5, 2020

Team is more important, but the QB position is more important today than 20 years ago because of how the game has changed. It’s much more of a passing league now. You haven’t seen any Johnsons or Difers win the Super Bowl in the past 15 years.

Reverend Conehead · May 5, 2020

Doomsday101 said:
Both. I do agree all QB depend on others around them no one QB has ever done it alone. Flip side all QB take the heat more so than any player on the team for failure. I would also nothing gets you beat faster than poor QB play

True. That's why if you have a competent, but not great, QB, you win with mostly defense. With a smothering defense, you can play it close to the vest with safe plays on offense and then as long as you score a decent amount, you can win. It's how the Ravens won it all with Dilfer.

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