Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys are at an impasse over nothing

Philmonroe · May 5, 2020

jterrell said:
Dak's leverage is many things.
1. He is the offense and you want him in all meetings and workouts. This is a newly tweaked offense.
2. Pat Mahomes is currently also pushing for a 4 year deal. One that will shatter the ceiling on salaries.
3. You just drafted a WR in round 1 that has never caught a pass from Dak, you want them working together ASAP.
4. You have 31.4m tied up in his franchise tag that could be cut in half EASILY and possibly free up 20M. --With 20m you could sign Everson Griffin AND Jadeveon Clowney if you so desired. They won't but could.
5. You have Super Bowl aspirations. Getting Dak signed now both enhances that possibility but also frees you from having to pay him coming off a Super Bowl.
6. If Dak plays out the season he is GTD 39M next year on a 2nd franchise tag thus all discussions get moved north by 5-6M per year if he just repeats the statistical season he had in 2019!!

Dak isn’t the offense though. No average bus driver can be that. Dak isn’t Mahommes. I want Dak to work on actual accru

jterrell said:
Dak's leverage is many things.
1. He is the offense and you want him in all meetings and workouts. This is a newly tweaked offense.
2. Pat Mahomes is currently also pushing for a 4 year deal. One that will shatter the ceiling on salaries.
3. You just drafted a WR in round 1 that has never caught a pass from Dak, you want them working together ASAP.
4. You have 31.4m tied up in his franchise tag that could be cut in half EASILY and possibly free up 20M. --With 20m you could sign Everson Griffin AND Jadeveon Clowney if you so desired. They won't but could.
5. You have Super Bowl aspirations. Getting Dak signed now both enhances that possibility but also frees you from having to pay him coming off a Super Bowl.
6. If Dak plays out the season he is GTD 39M next year on a 2nd franchise tag thus all discussions get moved north by 5-6M per year if he just repeats the statistical season he had in 2019!!

Dak has no leverage unless you’re blind which many people are. He is Andy Dalton when Dalton was in first four years but some because of their football bias want to pay him just because.

kskboys · May 5, 2020

Philmonroe said:
Dak isn’t the offense though. No average bus driver can be that. Dak isn’t Mahommes. I want Dak to work on actual accru
Dak has no leverage unless you’re blind which many people are. He is Andy Dalton when Dalton was in first four years but some because of their football bias want to pay him just because.

There really hasn't been any cogent reasoning to pay Dak a huge amount. Especially the highest paid in the NFL.

JohnsKey19 · May 5, 2020

Doomsday101 said:
In ways I think Dak is taking a major chance on a 4 year deal. Look if it plays out the way he envisions it in terms of his level of play and the fortunes of this team winning a championship he would have a chance at another big contract at the end of 4 years. However he also risk that he does not elevate his play and the team continues to come up short, his value will be, well the same as Dalton is now. At the end of 4 years he will be 30 and have QB this team for 8 years and if there is nothing to show for it then he likely will be looking for a backup QB elsewhere. So it is a gamble on the part of Dak more so than by the Cowboys.

I can think of many circumstances worse than banking 130+ million after 4 years. Even if he walked away from the NFL at age 30 and bypassed the opportunity to be a backup. The only real gamble here is playing on the franchise tag IMO. I believe eventually they will come to an agreement in early July. Dak's agents are just waiting for a potential Mahomes and/or Watson extension.

Scotman · May 5, 2020

MarcusRock said:
I keep seeing this "WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN???!!!" reasoning in regards to Dak's situation and what's going on in the country and although I feel for those who are having a tough time, the NFL hasn't been majorly affected yet so players aren't responsible for giving a flying flip about some "signal" envious fans get as they handle their own PERSONAL business. The business that can still go on, goes on as it has. Hospital bills aren't going down, so why should any other business that operates a full or near full capacity?

What? I don't understand the "Won't someone think of the children" comment. I simply commented that I think he's making a financial mistake by waiting. The current situation absolutely would impact my risk aversion. As far as the whole "personal business" comment, as fans we are all invested in the contract. It is an entertainment business with a limited salary cap. His contract has a direct impact on the team I root for and support. I truly don't know where you got the "envious" part. I am blessed to be living my own life and wouldn't trade places with anyone else.

jazzcat22 · May 5, 2020

Section446 said:
Even better, just sign the tag and get a one year deal, then we can move on.

Yes was just thinking this. Sign the tag, play on the one year deal, let him bet on himself to prove he deserves a long term deal.
If he takes us to the playoffs and NFCCG, then pay the man. If playoffs, at least let him not be the reason they don't advance, go from there.

If no playoffs, give him the Garrett treatment. But at least we may get a 3rd round comp pick for him. Then draft a QB in 2021.

Right now I am to the point I can careless if he signs or not. Just sick of hearing and reading about it. And I don't care about this...he has until July 15th crap. He needs to be in on the virtual learning curve. At least Dalton can be a 1 year stop gap of not total disaster.

BourbonBalz · May 5, 2020

The biggest reason the FO wants a longer contract is to spread the $ out over more years for salary cap purposes. It’s a very good point.

Doomsday101 · May 5, 2020

JohnsKey19 said:
I can think of many circumstances worse than banking 130+ million after 4 years. Even if he walked away from the NFL at age 30 and bypassed the opportunity to be a backup. The only real gamble here is playing on the franchise tag IMO. I believe eventually they will come to an agreement in early July. Dak's agents are just waiting for a potential Mahomes and/or Watson extension.

I agree but honestly do not think Mahomes or Watson will sign an extension until later in the year or next season.

jazzcat22 · May 5, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
the back up is on a one year deal, older, just got cut and has proven he is not capable of winning. he is a game manager at best, now even less at his age. he is not going to lead you to promise land....

Dalton is capable of winning, he has done so before. Got his teams to the playoffs at least. And more often than Dak.

kskboys · May 5, 2020

Scotman said:
What? I don't understand the "Won't someone think of the children" comment. I simply commented that I think he's making a financial mistake by waiting. The current situation absolutely would impact my risk aversion. As far as the whole "personal business" comment, as fans we are all invested in the contract. It is an entertainment business with a limited salary cap. His contract has a direct impact on the team I root for and support. I truly don't know where you got the "envious" part. I am blessed to be living my own life and wouldn't trade places with anyone else.

Same here. The "envy" angle is a silly attempt to degrade people.

iceberg · May 5, 2020

Future said:
Oh good, a plan that is bad for both the player and the team!

never said it was good, said it was an option if he really MUST have less years.

if you're for less years than signing the option then dalton should make you very happy.

kskboys · May 5, 2020

Doomsday101 said:
I agree but honestly do not think Mahomes or Watson will sign an extension until later in the year or next season.

Going to be interesting to see just how well Watson does w/o the best WR in the NFL and a little bit worse D.

Doomsday101 · May 5, 2020

Scotman said:
What? I don't understand the "Won't someone think of the children" comment. I simply commented that I think he's making a financial mistake by waiting. The current situation absolutely would impact my risk aversion. As far as the whole "personal business" comment, as fans we are all invested in the contract. It is an entertainment business with a limited salary cap. His contract has a direct impact on the team I root for and support. I truly don't know where you got the "envious" part. I am blessed to be living my own life and wouldn't trade places with anyone else.

True but then the cap continues to rise as well. in 2016 the cap was 155 mill now in 2020 it is 199 mill. I don't think the salary demands is all the crippling when the cap continues to increase

Scotman · May 5, 2020

Doomsday101 said:
True but then the cap continues to rise as well. in 2016 the cap was 155 mill now in 2020 it is 199 mill. I don't think the salary demands is all the crippling when the cap continues to increase

I completely agree with this. 100%. I was just replying to the "personal business" comment. We discuss the contracts because the impact us. I didn't mean to imply something else if I did.

But, I 100% believe that even a monster contract probably won't have much of an impact in even two years.

Doomsday101 · May 5, 2020

kskboys said:
Going to be interesting to see just how well Watson does w/o the best WR in the NFL and a little bit worse D.

Very true, did not think about that. He had real chemistry with DeAndre Hopkins to lose him I think will be a big loss. Watson already gets sacked a ton and now his #1 is gone, I think he hangs on to the ball even longer now.

G2 · May 5, 2020

kskboys said:
There really hasn't been any cogent reasoning to pay Dak a huge amount. Especially the highest paid in the NFL.

Sure there has, market value. It's not what fans decide what they feel he's worth. "Highest paid" would last until the next QB gets an extension. That's just how it has worked.

InTheZone · May 5, 2020

It's on Dak

/discussion

MarcusRock · May 5, 2020

Scotman said:
What? I don't understand the "Won't someone think of the children" comment. I simply commented that I think he's making a financial mistake by waiting. The current situation absolutely would impact my risk aversion. As far as the whole "personal business" comment, as fans we are all invested in the contract. It is an entertainment business with a limited salary cap. His contract has a direct impact on the team I root for and support. I truly don't know where you got the "envious" part. I am blessed to be living my own life and wouldn't trade places with anyone else.

Did you not read your own quote I was responding to? This part below was most of your post after saying he Dak should sign now:

Scotman said:
I had slowly moved all in on Dak, but I honestly think this is incredibly short-sighted of him. So short sighted it makes me question his decision making. And the signal it sends to fans...20% of them possibly completely out of work...is one of greed.

You're talking about Dak being greedy handing his PERSONAL business in light of potential out of work fans getting some "signal" sent to them in his so doing. My response is, so what? What in Hades does one have to do with the other?

PAPPYDOG · May 5, 2020

Doomsday101 said:
The Dallas Cowboys and Dak Prescott are not far apart on the terms of a new deal.
They apparently haven’t been far for a while now. The market is essentially dictating the price to both parties so the average annual compensation and guaranteed cash are basically spelled out.

So contrary to popular belief, it’s not Dak’s outrageous demands or selfishness or greed that’s holding this up. It’s the length of the deal. Rather than asking for more Dak’s actually asking for less. Try that on for size, Dak haters.

Now before we throw him a parade and add him to the Christmas card list, let’s be clear: this isn’t about sacrifice or altruism. This is good business from Dak Prescott’s camp. A short-term deal may offer less overall dollars, but if Dak continues to perform as he’s been, he stands to make considerably more overall getting to the free agent market again as quickly as possible.

That’s where the two parties are at the impasse.

Dak has on the table, we believe, a $35M APY offer with $106M+ g'teed. With an argument about 4 v 5 years. So, @Boys_Vox 's right – there's no 'disrespect' in that. https://t.co/voVx1G9rFk

— fishsports (@fishsports) May 3, 2020

Multiple reliable sources have indicated, for quite a while now, the Dallas Cowboys want to sign Dak to a 5-year deal while Dak wants a 4-year deal. Each day that goes by Dak seems to get a little more leverage so it seems wise to explore what that extra year is worth on the market, right?

https://sportdfw.com/2020/05/04/dak-prescott-dallas-cowboys-impasse-over-nothing/

Another poster who has reliable sources.... :banghead:

Well, it's either the TAG if it's not rescinded or NADA.
All this talk about Dak getting a new deal is hogwash and the signing of Dalton proves it!
2 Years we've been hearing here comes Dak's new deal and the fat lady has yet to ring the cash register! :muttley:

Philmonroe · May 5, 2020

kskboys said:
There really hasn't been any cogent reasoning to pay Dak a huge amount. Especially the highest paid in the NFL.

They want to pay Dak off emotions because what I said about Dak has proven to be true. I didn’t even look the numbers up had others that feel the same as me on Dak do it and funny they found all the stats people use to prop Dak up are the same/similar for Dalton in that same time period. I find it funny that without looking it up I could see these two are similar in talent just from the much crapped on “eye test” but others couldn’t.

starman22 · May 5, 2020

DakPresgoat said:
PJ has never once said anything about race at all.

Romo himself is a minority.

Curious why your mind went directly to that though.

Then you haven't been paying attention.

Dak Prescott and the Dallas Cowboys are at an impasse over nothing

Philmonroe

Well-Known Member

kskboys

Well-Known Member

JohnsKey19

Well-Known Member

Scotman

Well-Known Member

jazzcat22

BourbonBalz

Star4Ever

Doomsday101

Well-Known Member

jazzcat22

kskboys

Well-Known Member

iceberg

rock music matters

kskboys

Well-Known Member

Doomsday101

Well-Known Member

Scotman

Well-Known Member

Doomsday101

Well-Known Member

G2

Taco Engineer

InTheZone

Well-Known Member

MarcusRock

Well-Known Member

PAPPYDOG

There are no Dak haters just Cowboy lovers!!!

Philmonroe

Well-Known Member

starman22

Well-Known Member