One stat to end the Dak debate

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I know it sounds crazy, but they cant have their cake and eat it too.
QB salarys just wont allow it.
They may win again this season, but after that I think their run is over.

Says who? You?

Wont allow it? Dumbest thing I ever heard.
 

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look at the link catch posted on page 1.
Then use online % calculator.
The cap this 2020 season is 198 mil.
13% this season would be around 26 mil.

The cap hit is manipulated, and pushed back , but what that does is gives you 2 maybe 3 years of a 5 year
contract, where qb cap hit is @ or less than say 13%.

If dak got contract now for 35 mil avg, there would only be a couple years where it would be at 13 % or less.
The higher his avg yearly goes, makes it harder to have any years below 13 %.

If you look at the chiefs, they have one more year to compete for SB, after that mahomes will
be way over the 13 %, other players on team will want big contracts, but chiefs wont be able to keep
them, so that team will fall apart. They will be competitive but no more SB's, so does it make sense to
'pay him 45 mil a year??
And Mahomes is way better than dak, so it would be even harder for dallas to build a SB team once
Dak gets his big deal.

That is why I would just go with dalton and dinucci, and draft a top qb in 21 or 22.
Keep building a great defense, that would make dallas chances way better than putting all the
money on dak somehow doing it.

If dak plays on tag , he would be @ 15 %, so while it is possible to win SB it would go against the
odds.
If dallas had say 10% to buy clowney for one year, the odds are better than no clowney just dak.

There are all sorts of stats that say the odds of something happening are to great. In all of the NFC championship games the team that score second only won 4 times and then in the 93 season NFC championship game the Cowboys scored second and won that game. The odds were totally against them doing it. If before the string started what would have been the odds that the NFC would win 16 Super Bowls in a row. There are only 3 things that can't be broken in the NFL. The longest run from scrimmage, the longest pass completion from scrimmage and the longest kickoff return. Everything else can be broken.
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Well smarty, a question for you, what do you think bellichek would do?
would he pay mahomes , good as he is 45 mil a year?

LOL......45 million did you make that up because you cant make a credible point otherwise? Why stop there, why not make it 60 million?

You don't think GM's weight QB salaries based on a percentage of the cap?
 

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This is my current favorite take.

Chiefs should let Mahomes walk.

I’ve seen fans on this board post that they would let Mahomes walk if he was the Cowboys QB. According to one fan on this board the Chiefs didn’t need him to win the Super Bowl. He pointed out the offensive talent they have including Tyreek Hill and that the Chiefs won games without Mahomes when was injured last season. We have arguably the most STUPID fans in the league. Some wouldn’t pay any player including Mahomes.
 

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No team in NFL history has ever won a Super Bowl while paying their QB 13% or more of the salary cap.
Dak wants up to 20% of the cap.
It would be highly unlikely for Dallas to be the exception to this rule. Please move on, and start building a deep contender. Thank You.
OMG, not this again...no they haven't won it when they resigned that player and he counted that much against the cap, but subsequently they have gone to the superbowl and won it, when salary cap went up and their total wasn't that high...ala Ryan, Eli Manning....

20% of the cap? where did you come up with that figure?
 

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Yeah this has been talked about in countless threads. So you’re not posting anything new. Hence it won’t end the debate.


You also don’t know the final numbers of what Daks. Cap hit will be in each season of the deal. So......,
 

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I’ve seen fans on this board post that they would let Mahomes walk if he was the Cowboys QB. According to one fan on this board the Chiefs didn’t need him to win the Super Bowl. He pointed out the offensive talent they have including Tyreek Hill and that the Chiefs won games without Mahomes when was injured last season. We have arguably the most STUPID fans in the league. Some wouldn’t pay any player including Mahomes.

Cowboys fan base is 100% the most clueless fan base in the NFL. Bar none!!!
 

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You know Brady didn't win the Superbowl in 2018, right? I know he has so many it's hard to keep up. Wish we had that issue...
We really can't use Brady or the Patriots as examples in regards to the norm. They defy all logic.

As of 2013 the highest percentage cap hit was Steve Young at 13.1%. Not sure if any player has beaten that since then but if they did, it wouldn't be by much, and we're probably talking hall of famers. No other team came even close before 2013.

Wait a minute....

The Patriot championships defy logic. If they had won a single Super Bowl then you might say they got lucky, they won a Super Bowl when all indications suggest that it absolutely defies the odds.

You cant cant say that about the Patriots. In fact you must agree that their opponent in that undefeated season, the 9-7 Giants were the classic example of defying logic.

But any statement declaring that the Patriots defied logic is, well,..... Illogical.
 

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OMG, not this again...no they haven't won it when they resigned that player and he counted that much against the cap, but subsequently they have gone to the superbowl and won it, when salary cap went up and their total wasn't that high...ala Ryan, Eli Manning....

20% of the cap? where did you come up with that figure?

How many QB's have actually been 20% of the cap anyway? Meaningless stat.
 

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LOL......45 million did you make that up because you cant make a credible point otherwise? Why stop there, why not make it 60 million?

You don't think GM's weight QB salaries based on a percentage of the cap? You trolls are so frustrated that you cant think straight.
well, its not far out of question... wentz got 30 last year. cousing got 33 this year. discussions about Dak is around 35 mill (not arguing should or should not, but just numbers)........Mahomes is the best QB in the league. we are already seeing numbers around 35...mahomes is under contract for another 2 years, so after that, does the cap go up and does QB salaries go up as a result.... its pretty logical number...
 

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Wait a minute....

The Patriot championships defy logic. If they had won a single Super Bowl then you might say they got lucky, they won a Super Bowl when all indications suggest that it absolutely defies the odds.

You cant cant say that about the Patriots. In fact you must agree that their opponent in that undefeated season, the 9-7 Giants were the classic example of defying logic.

But any statement declaring that the Patriots defied logic is, well,..... Illogical.

Brady taking 18 million is illogical. Have to pretty much completely throw that out. As is Brees.

Now what you can say is that...…….if you can get a top 5 QB to take half the money he is worth, then you have a great shot.
 

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Paying Dak big money will be the death knell for the next 4-5 years.

He's a $15-20 million per year QB. He's just a run-of-the-mill pro quarterback.
:facepalm:

yet he led the number one offense last year. has had the most comebacks in the past 4 years and has one of the highest winning percentages over the same period...won division championship twice and has a 1-2 playoff record and he played under garrett.....yeah, run of the mill.....
 

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well, its not far out of question... wentz got 30 last year. cousing got 33 this year. discussions about Dak is around 35 mill (not arguing should or should not, but just numbers)........Mahomes is the best QB in the league. we are already seeing numbers around 35...mahomes is under contract for another 2 years, so after that, does the cap go up and does QB salaries go up as a result.... its pretty logical number...

Its so far out, its a joke. MAYBE he tops 40 million. MAYBE. And at some point these salaries for QB's are going to have to level out and not continue to sky rocket. Because at some point, it will get stupid and will really hurt the teams.

Jerry tried briefly to get a rule saying that it capped salaries at certain amounts for certain position, but I guess it didn't fly. Needs to be done.
 

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There have only been 54 Super Bowls. That's such a small data set that we'll likely see things that have never happened before happen in each of the next 150 Super Bowls
 

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No team in NFL history has ever won a Super Bowl while paying their QB 13% or more of the salary cap.
Dak wants up to 20% of the cap.
It would be highly unlikely for Dallas to be the exception to this rule. Please move on, and start building a deep contender. Thank You.

  • Also, obviously the Eagles have no chance at winning the division since no NFC East team has ever won in twice.
  • The Falcons have no chance to with the SB, because no team has ever played in its home stadium (they should just forfeit the season)
  • Also, since a HC has never won a SB with two teams, we don't have a shot regardless of the QB cap %.
 

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Its so far out, its a joke. MAYBE he tops 40 million. MAYBE. And at some point these salaries for QB's are going to have to level out and not continue to sky rocket. Because at some point, it will get stupid and will really hurt the teams.

Jerry tried briefly to get a rule saying that it capped salaries at certain amounts for certain position, but I guess it didn't fly. Needs to be done.
the reason I think 45 average is not far fetched, first its 2 years from now, then he probably will be getting a 5 year contract (assuming 5) and thus projecting averages over the next 7 years.....his cap hit his first year maybe 40-45. but just like most other elite contracts, they get backloaded to allow the team to renegotiate and push money further down the road...….
 
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