Are the Cowboys a good football team?

kumizi · May 6, 2020

I think they're somewhere in the 8-10 range if we're doing power rankings.

CowboyRoy · May 6, 2020

Diehardblues said:
I do it because he needed someone to defend him. And at the time I felt some of the blame was unjust. Do I enjoy the argument. Of course. I like playing devils advocate and taking the underdog role if it’s something I can get behind.

At least you are honest about it.

Well, you have to live with your choices. And if that pegs you as a guy that loved Garrett then you have to now deal with that. Denying it doesn't make you look good.

CowboysFaninHouston · May 6, 2020

J12B said:
Yes or no.

Please keep the discussion related to the topic of this thread.

but seriously, my previous posts not withstanding

the way I look at it, we were 8-8
The bad coaching decisions, scheme, indecisions cost us at least, at least 2 games (I can argue more, but I will be nice and conservative)...that would be 10-6
the bad special teams cost us at least, at least 2 games, but lets be conservative even more and say would have helped us in one more win...that would be 11-4
Bad kicking game cost us at least one game, that would be 12-4.

with good coaching, knowing the team for so many years, and some right personnel we should have been somewhere in the 11-5-13-3 range last year.....

notice I am not blaming players...just what things cost us games, that can easily be prevented/fixed..

new coaching staff, new scheme, time it takes to learn that's going to cost us at least 2 games this year as we learn, so 10-6
I strongly believe we won't be the worst special teams in the league. we have a better kicker that won't miss 10 kicks between 40-50 range and coaches who will make better decisions during the game
so
my expectations are we are at least a 9-7 to 11-5 team and win the division. if things don't go our way, then 9-7, if few things fall into place and we learn quickly, 12-4 is possible (ala 2016), but that's a stretch....

so yes, we should be a good team.....

CowboyRoy · May 6, 2020

Gangsta Spanksta said:
He doesn't get that basically you've been saying that coaches like garrets, the puppets, are the symptom and that Jerrah is the actual disease.

Diehards exact words right here:

I do it because he needed someone to defend him. And at the time I felt some of the blame was unjust. Do I enjoy the argument. Of course. I like playing devils advocate and taking the underdog role if it’s something I can get behind.

Diehardblues · May 6, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
All of it is true and no one has denied it. None of that changes the fact that Garrett was horrid.

Changing the subject to Jerry is simply a deflection of that reality.

Who was worse. Jerry or Garrett. I chose to defend Jason over Jerry. I felt for a long time Jason was influencing decisions in building a better team but I always left myself the out that there was still some coaching flaws. Game Day wasn’t Garrett’s strength or his greatest contribution. I guess you missed some of those discussions.

The bottomline with you is you hated Garrett so much you despised anyone who went to bat for Jason for anything.

Part of a good debate though is redirecting and deflecting. Surely you don’t fault me for putting up a good fight

We see it in all aspects of debates in our society today. Which I spend most of time on during the day.

Diehardblues · May 6, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Diehards exact words right here:

I do it because he needed someone to defend him. And at the time I felt some of the blame was unjust. Do I enjoy the argument. Of course. I like playing devils advocate and taking the underdog role if it’s something I can get behind.

And what’s wrong with that ? I’ve never wavered that. This is a forum. We debate issues. I took one and argued the hell out of it. I believed Garrett was the best puppet we’d had. And went to bat for him. You interpreted it as though I thought he was a good coach.

Gangsta Spanksta · May 6, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
All of it is true and no one has denied it. None of that changes the fact that Garrett was horrid.

Changing the subject to Jerry is simply a deflection of that reality.

Well I've been on record as saying that it doesn't matter what the name of the puppet is, when Jerry hires one, be it Garret, Gaily, Campo, Wade, etc, that a puppet by any other name is still a puppet. That is not to say that Jerry only hires puppets, every once in awhile after losing a certain amount of times he hires a good coach like The Tuna. Maybe Diehard may have said something that he prefer the puppet he knows versus a new puppet that set you off, and that was before the latest hire, but I've read enough of his posts here to know that he didn't really like Garrett either. It is more that he didn't think that Jerrah would hire anyone better. Also, hiring Mike is a step in the right direction, and certainly preferable to Garrett, but lets wait and see if he is going to be that guy who led greenbay to a championship. I mean chances are he might become a puppet here as well. I mean I'd wait before I proclaim that the cowboys will win two or more playoff games in a season, because carrot top is gone and Mike is in his place...

DenCWBY · May 6, 2020

Above average talent. Below average management. Average team as it's record says it is.

CowboyRoy · May 6, 2020

Diehardblues said:
And what’s wrong with that ? I’ve never wavered that. This is a forum. We debate issues. I took one and argued the hell out of it. I believed Garrett was the best puppet we’d had. And went to bat for him. You interpreted it as though I thought he was a good coach.

Wrong with it? Picking the unpopular side just to argue is what trolls do.

And when you defend a coach that doesn't deserve it the way you did, it paints the wrong message apparently.

You now claim you didn't think Garrett was a good coach. But since you like him personally you decided to stick up for him for 10 years?

That's all just weird troll type behavior. It makes you look like you don't understand the game of football.

DenCWBY · May 6, 2020

Red Dragon said:
No. The defense's holes are just too glaring to ignore.

Diehardblues · May 6, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
At least you are honest about it.

Well, you have to live with your choices. And if that pegs you as a guy that loved Garrett then you have to now deal with that. Denying it doesn't make you look good.

Love is a strong word. I wouldn’t describe as such. I don’t have those type of attachments with sports figures. I understand this generation likes to use hate and love loosely.

Like I have said. I stand by my comments and support of Garrett on certain issues. Buy you always want to lump it all into one ball to serve your argument.

KJJ · May 6, 2020

Their record last season said average. What we see on paper says one thing and what we see on the field says another. If there’s a season this year we’ll find out if they’re a good team.

CowboyRoy · May 6, 2020

Gangsta Spanksta said:
Well I've been on record as saying that it doesn't matter what the name of the puppet is, when Jerry hires one, be it Garret, Gaily, Campo, Wade, etc, that a puppet by any other name is still a puppet. That is not to say that Jerry only hires puppets, every once in awhile after losing a certain amount of times he hires a good coach like The Tuna. Maybe Diehard may have said something that he prefer the puppet he knows versus a new puppet that set you off, and that was before the latest hire, but I've read enough of his posts here to know that he didn't really like Garrett either. It is more that he didn't think that Jerrah would hire anyone better. Also, hiring Mike is a step in the right direction, and certainly preferable to Garrett, but lets wait and see if he is going to be that guy who led greenbay to a championship. I mean chances are he might become a puppet here as well. I mean I'd wait before I proclaim that the cowboys will win two or more playoff games in a season, because carrot top is gone and Mike is in his place...

Any puppet gets hammered because he simply doenst measure up. And anyone defending the puppet is going to look foolish. Diehard is one of those. I didnt defend Garrett and support Garrett. Guys like Diehard told me how wrong I was. Well...……...that argument has been more than settled.

CowboyRoy · May 6, 2020

Diehardblues said:
Love is a strong word. I wouldn’t describe as such. I don’t have those type of attachments with sports figures. I understand this generation likes to use hate and love loosely.

Like I have said. I stand by my comments and support of Garrett on certain issues. Buy you always want to lump it all into one ball to serve your argument.

LOL...you supported Garrett. End of story. And looked foolish doing it.

Gangsta Spanksta · May 6, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Diehards exact words right here:

I do it because he needed someone to defend him. And at the time I felt some of the blame was unjust. Do I enjoy the argument. Of course. I like playing devils advocate and taking the underdog role if it’s something I can get behind.

That's not so bad. Saying that you like to play devil's advocate if *it is something you can get behind*, that means that if it is something he actually believes is true. I don't think Die Hard argues in Bad Faith. Say for instance he sees a huge number of people on the board blaming Jason Garrett for the Cowboy's Sucking on a given season, when while Jason Garrett is part of the problem, that the team has many other problems. He then sees people trying to shift all of the Blame instead of just the deserved some of the blame on to Garrett and can point out instances of where things aren't Garrett's fault or point out where others are to blame. He mentioned that the culture here being a bigger problem than Garrett and that is the truth. The culture stays from one puppet to the next. He can defend Garrett, even though he doesn't think that Garrett is a good coach, when he sees people giving him some blame he doesn't deserve. From my experience, Die Hard argues in good faith and uses the truth as he sees it. Heck there some people who have different opinions than myself on this site who I think argue in good faith.

Diehardblues · May 6, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
Wrong with it? Picking the unpopular side just to argue is what trolls do.

And when you defend a coach that doesn't deserve it the way you did, it paints the wrong message apparently.

You now claim you didn't think Garrett was a good coach. But since you like him personally you decided to stick up for him for 10 years?

That's all just weird troll type behavior. It makes you look like you don't understand the game of football.

That’s your take. And I’ll have to live with that. It certainly wasn’t my intention although I did enjoy the debate. Haven’t you noticed.

There's all types of trolling. I’ve been guilty of some. But Trolls always attempt to attack and insult others to discredit their messages and points. Which you are guilty of as well.

Every time we get into these arguments that’s always your out because you don’t want to take on the argument. Which appears to be a trait of yours. Just insulting others if they don’t agree with you. The worst kind of Troll.

Diehardblues · May 6, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
LOL...you supported Garrett. End of story. And looked foolish doing it.

That’s your opinion. I’m ok with it. Is that going to be your defense every time we have a discussion on any subject? If so you might want to ignore me. Cause I’m not going to be derailed with your personal attacks.

CowboyRoy · May 6, 2020

Diehardblues said:
That’s your take. And I’ll have to live with that. It certainly wasn’t my intention although I did enjoy the debate. Haven’t you noticed.

There's all types of trolling. I’ve been guilty of some. But Trolls always attempt to attack and insult others to discredit their messages and points. Which you are guilty of as well.

Every time we get into these arguments that’s always your out because you don’t want to take on the argument. Which appears to be a trait of yours. Just insulting others if they don’t agree with you. The worst kind of Troll.

I have notice you enjoy losing the debate, because that's what happened with Garrett.

Im a troll because was I right about Garrett and you were wrong? Im not the clown that defended Garrett. Garrett made you look silly.

CouchCoach · May 6, 2020

They are an average football team that at times can play very well but can't seem to sustain anything positive. They're still 8-8, although 0-0 right now, until they prove otherwise.

Some attribute the record to poor coaching but I am not convinced of that, I think Garrett is every bit an 8-8 coach.

The question is are they really a football team at all or are they a high octane, high powered offense dragging along a mediocre defense and ST.

In making the coaching change, they picked one of my two guys so I have no complaints but I was not on board with the DC hiring because I think this D is talent challenged and his track record is not impressive....at all. He couldn't even get a DC job in the last two stops.

They will ride this offense, the question is how far can they ride it? It was a top 2 O last season and 8-8. And the O failed to perform with consistency enough to counter the D.

They should be a very interesting team to watch play because that O looks loaded but there's still only one ball to go around.

CowboyRoy · May 6, 2020

Diehardblues said:
That’s your opinion. I’m ok with it. Is that going to be your defense every time we have a discussion on any subject? If so you might want to ignore me. Cause I’m not going to be derailed with your personal attacks.

Oh no, Ill have this conversation forever over and over again. No chance I am letting you lie your way our of your support for Garrett. 10 years from now, everyone on this site will remember you as Garretts biggest fan.

That's the price of "taking the unpopular side because its fun".

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