Video: Dak wants elite money?

1972COWBOY · May 7, 2020

John813 said:
As always, but most Dak threads are basically trolling at this point due to extreme positions on both sides constantly wanting to make another thread on the topic

I also think its also done out of insecurity and a hope for a recent updated reassurance Dalton wont take Daks job. I think there is going to be a bit of competition come pre-season and it needs to be accepted that Cowboys have finally signed a QB that hopefully can still thread the needle.

glimmerman · May 7, 2020

Has he signed yet..

HungryLion · May 7, 2020

CowboyRoy · May 7, 2020

Section446 said:
You pay an average QB like Dak, you're signing yourself up for years of pain and cap issues. The Rams will be replacing Goff in the next 24 months, they made a mistake that we should learn from.

First off, I don't think he is average. And the numbers support that. He is top 10 and climbing. This is what you do with young QB's on their first big contract. You are projecting.

2nd, QB's are far and away the most important position. So when you say average, the reality is that Dak is one of the top 15 players in the NFL. Those guys get paid big money. I don't agree with it, but that is the way it goes.

The alternative could be 10 years of looking for another franchise QB. Gotta pay em.

No chance the Rams replace Goff. As if replacing Goff is some kind of easy task.

You guys really don't understand how the NFL works with QB's.

Hawkeye0202 · May 7, 2020

John813 said:
I think it's that time for threads to be reviewed by Mods before being posted.

This is The Ranch level **** posting.

1000% and it's only going to get worst, especially with Dalton signing. What's interesting is the same Dak critics can start a thread on the same issue they've talked about 100 times and it still draws a min 5-6 pages. I'm at a point where I don't even bother opening them once you see the poster name. Just me but trying to changing their mind is a waste of time.

The Quest for Six · May 7, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
They are only misleading when they don't suit your agenda. When Dak was throwing for 200 yards a game you couldn't stop talking about them.

Brees, Rogers, Brady? Is that what you are down to now? Complaining that Dak isnt Brady?

I guess you don't think he is backup material anymore?

I can name more QB's I'd take over Dak, I have no agenda, I like Dak but I don't put him any where close to being an elite qb demanding top five money in this league....Daltons first four years in this league is comparable to Daks, Dalton is a more accurate passer than Dak and I don't think you'd see much if any dropoff with Dalton behind center than Dak.....Dalton was a good backup signing, and no I don't see him starting over Dak because you might think it's my agenda...

CowboyRoy · May 7, 2020

John813 said:
As always, but most Dak threads are basically trolling at this point due to extreme positions on both sides constantly wanting to make another thread on the topic

Posting a thread showing how good your QB is, isn't trolling. LOL

Not on a Cowboys forum. Posting thread after thread about how Dak sucks is what a troll does. Its what an Eagles fan would do coming on a Cowboys forum.

HungryLion · May 7, 2020

The Quest for Six said:
I can name more QB's I'd take over Dak, I have no agenda, I like Dak but I don't put him any where close to being an elite qb demanding top five money in this league....Daltons first four years in this league is comparable to Daks, Dalton is a more accurate passer than Dak and I don't think you'd see much if any dropoff with Dalton behind center than Dak.....Dalton was a good backup signing, and no I don't see him starting over Dak because you might think it's my agenda...

Dalton is not a more accurate passer than Dak.

CowboyRoy · May 7, 2020

1972COWBOY said:
I also think its also done out of insecurity and a hope for a recent updated reassurance Dalton wont take Daks job. I think there is going to be a bit of competition come pre-season and it needs to be accepted that Cowboys have finally signed a QB that hopefully can still thread the needle.

There is no competition. That is laughable. To think there will be is ridiculous.

John813 · May 7, 2020

1972COWBOY said:
I also think its also done out of insecurity and a hope for a recent updated reassurance Dalton wont take Daks job. I think there is going to be a bit of competition come pre-season.

I think Dalton is the best #2 we've had in some time. I don't even think Orton was as good as a QB when he came in to backup Romo.
Definitely think it will be good for Dak to have someone like Dalton behind him in camp. Dak to me is a competitor and I think having Dalton in camp will definitely push him in a good direction.
But I don't see a true competition ever forming. Not just that the FO loves Dak, I just think at this point Dak is just better than Dalton, but at least Dalton can start if need be.

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country · May 7, 2020

2019
Offensive penalties.

25 holding calls.
9 false starts.
4 illegal shifts.
3 offensive pass inter.
3 tripping calls.
2 illegal formations.
1 intentional grounding
1 too many men
1 illegal motion
1 delay of game
1 taunting

Maher missed ten field goals.

Zeke failed to reach the 100 yard mark in 8 games.

Our receiving core tied for the lead in drops.

No QB is perfect and every QB needs help. But a run first offense like Dallas' can't have that many miscues. We have to clean some of that up. So don't put it all on Dak. He doesn't win by himself, just like he doesn't lose by himself.

John813 · May 7, 2020

Hawkeye0202 said:
1000% and it's only going to get worst, especially with Dalton signing. What's interesting is the same Dak critics can start a thread on the same issue they've talked about 100 times and it still draws a min 5-6 pages. I'm at a point where I don't even bother opening them once you see the poster name. Just me but trying to changing their mind is a waste of time.

I avoid a lot also, but it's annoying when it spreads to every other thread. Whether it's posters attacking one another due to discussions in a Dak thread or some says "Dak" in a defensive thread and it goes off the rails.

CowboyRoy · May 7, 2020

The Quest for Six said:
I can name more QB's I'd take over Dak, I have no agenda, I like Dak but I don't put him any where close to being an elite qb demanding top five money in this league....Daltons first four years in this league is comparable to Daks, Dalton is a more accurate passer than Dak and I don't think you'd see much if any dropoff with Dalton behind center than Dak.....Dalton was a good backup signing, and no I don't see him starting over Dak because you might think it's my agenda...

I can name more also. How many young QB's? Because that is what this is about. Its about projecting to some dagree what Dak will become.

Top 5 money is simply just the way new contracts work. Not sure why this escapes some of you. And what are you really arguing about anyway? 2 million per year? 3 million per year?

Dalton is 32 and his career is almost over. Silly comment. Dak is entering his prime and getting better every year. Coming off his best year and that was with Garrett.

Hawkeye0202 · May 7, 2020

Section446 said:
You pay an average QB like Dak, you're signing yourself up for years of pain and cap issues. The Rams will be replacing Goff in the next 24 months, they made a mistake that we should learn from.

I think what you're missing is there is no average pay for a starting NFL QB. He ( not just Dak but any NFL QB) gets a contract based on the value as a starter. Look at what Bridgewater and Tannehill signed for, right at $30M. Notice what happened to the players they replaced. They were released.......

Hawkeye0202 · May 7, 2020

John813 said:
I avoid a lot also, but it's annoying when it spreads to every other thread. Whether it's posters attacking one another due to discussions in a Dak thread or some says "Dak" in a defensive thread and it goes off the rails.

The sad part is it won't end anytime soon.........Dalton signing just added a new element.

Bullet22 · May 7, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston · May 7, 2020

CowboyRoy said:
First off, I don't think he is average. And the numbers support that. He is top 10 and climbing. This is what you do with young QB's on their first big contract. You are projecting.

2nd, QB's are far and away the most important position. So when you say average, the reality is that Dak is one of the top 15 players in the NFL. Those guys get paid big money. I don't agree with it, but that is the way it goes.

The alternative could be 10 years of looking for another franchise QB. Gotta pay em.

No chance the Rams replace Goff. As if replacing Goff is some kind of easy task.

You guys really don't understand how the NFL works with QB's.

as parcells used to say there is no 1-800-EliteQB number to call and get one.....

and I found it funny they argued for Case Keenum…...not sure why some people just hate, they hated Romo, they hated Cooper (yet said Dak had cooper so he was surrounded by talent), they hated jones, they hated Lawrence, they hated zeke, they want elite play, at minimum prices. and anybody on the other side of the fence is better than what we have, until they get here, then they want them gone...

Denim Chicken · May 7, 2020

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country said:
2019
Offensive penalties.

25 holding calls.
9 false starts.
4 illegal shifts.
3 offensive pass inter.
3 tripping calls.
2 illegal formations.
1 intentional grounding
1 too many men
1 illegal motion
1 delay of game
1 taunting

Maher missed ten field goals.

Zeke failed to reach the 100 yard mark in 8 games.

Our receiving core tied for the lead in drops.

No QB is perfect and every QB needs help. But a run first offense like Dallas' can't have that many miscues. We have to clean some of that up. So don't put it all on Dak. He doesn't win by himself, just like he doesn't lose by himself.

You forgot bottom of the league in starting field position

TheMarathonContinues · May 7, 2020

Since we are on the topic of "elite quarterbacks"......I just figured I'd leave this here.....

CowboyRoy · May 7, 2020

Section446 said:
Then you should understand the problem with paying an average QB, good talk.

Nah...…….its not about average, its about franchise. You have a QB as good as Goff, you pay him. The alternative is between Aikman and Romo.

Goff was all world two years ago when everyone was healthy. QB's are dramatically affected by the players around them. That's just the nature of the position. This is the part you mentally challenged QB guys don't grasp.
Its the job of the GM to surround his QB with the right pieces so he can perform to the best of his abilities.

Just look at Brady last year. Perfect example. Just look at Dak's career here. In his rookie year when he was raw he played amazing because of the talent around him. As that degraded from 2017 to 2018 his play tapered off. Then it 2019 it was his best year individually as we got Cooper and Frederick back along with Gallup not a rookie and Cobb in there. Not to mention Moore coming on as OC.

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