A Comment and Questions for the Dak Doubters

NotForLong

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Now, you, son...either talk football, or take the foot out of your own mouth. Oh, there is another option for you...the burn barrel buddy group, smart guy,

Better yet, save up cereal box tops and get your OWN decoder ring...:popcorn:

YOU are on a roll...4 straight bla...bla...blas. You want a medal or a chest to pin it on?

Good night, sonnie...talk football.
What kind of prescriptions are you on. You make absolutely no sense
 

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Make no mistake.

Most of his “doubters” are locked into their positions. Dak could be MVP and win the Super Bowl and it still wouldn’t be enough.

They’ll still say he’s “average” (no matter what the numbers say) and any QB could’ve done that with this supporting cast. That I can promise you.

They’re losers. Dak’s a winner. Losers usually resent winners, especially anonymously on the internet.
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Hell yes.

I’ve supported every single Cowboys QB since I’ve been a fan. That includes the likes of Ryan Leaf, Quincy Carter, Brandon Weeden, Anthony Wright, Clint Stoerner, Drew Henson and Chad Hutchinson.

I know exactly how hard it is to find a good QB, so I know we should appreciate it when we have a good one like Dak.

Now you answer this hypothetical: would you want Dak gone even if we win the Super Bowl?
No I wouldnt, who would want to dump a Super Bowl winning QB.

But let me ask you this. If you support Dalton while Dak is on the bench, would that make you a Dak Hater?
 

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I still remember last years games on the road at New orleans, New England and at Philly where we averaged like 12 points a game, the defense kept us in all three games, but where was Dak and the offense. That's why I and many have doubts.
 

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I was a huge Dak fan his first year. I agreed with the decision to keep Romo on the bench because Dak was doing so well.
But hindsight is 20/20. I do think the Cowboys would have gotten pass the Packers had Romo returned as quarterback, but that's neither here nor there now.

Back to the question. If Dak showed more consistency, if Dak shows more accuracy, if Dak guides the team to score a game-winning touchdown in the playoffs, or better yet, in the Super Bowl, then, yes, I say break the bank for him.
But if he's essentially a bus driver, then, no.

Here's Dak's problem: he has a great team around him, particularly a great offense. He can't be average. Any average quarterback likely can win with this roster. Zeke, Amari, Gallup, CeeDee, Tyron Smith (1st rounder), Lael Collins (should have been a 1st round pick), Zack Martin (first round pick). There really is no excuse not to drive this offense into the playoffs, at the least. Dak has to go beyond that - both in the regular season and the post season.
You can't score only one touchdown and no touchdowns in games with an offense like this. You simply can't, not as a quarterback. That's what happened with Dak at the helm last year against the Patriots, the Saints and the Eagles.

So, if Dak shows himself to be average, then you look elsewhere, or at least be open to the possibility. Ideally, you want a franchise quarterback. You're always looking to improve your roster. And a franchise quarterback (though rare to find) makes up for a lot when your roster is thin elsewhere. Average to good quarterbacks need stacked rosters.

That's my two cents.
Defense and specials teams still exist. The Dak-led offense played well overall last year.

Tony Romo put up big numbers from 2011-13... Dallas went 8-8 each year.

Drew Brees put up big numbers from 2014-16... New Orleans went 7-9 each year.

It takes more than strong QB play to be a playoff team.
 

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It has taken me a long time to come to terms with this board. Maybe all message boards. I don't believe many times does one poster ever change the mind of another poster. Even with burning bush proof mushed in the doubters face. So I am not here to praise Dak, or convince you of something you currently do not believe.

My position. I believe, with the team's Dak has played for since coming to the Cowboys, - questionable receivers, lack of defense, false accusations about a significant piece and ultimate suspension....ect. - to me...............TO ME............... I have seen progress by Dak and believe he has superior leadership qualities, and enough talent to lead this team to the promised land. Provided he has a real team and not all of the pressure is on him alone.

However, that could change if he had all the skill players and a defense and failed. So I am riding the fence with a positive attitude, but a show me inner voice.

Having said that I would like to ask the doubters a few questions. Keep in mind there is no trick about these questions. Your opinion is yours and counts no more or less than anyone else here.

QUESTIONS

Were Dak to play under the tag this season, and after all is said and done the Dallas Cowboys win the Super Bowl. Dak plays within himself, but it is a true team win, and not some Elway 97 yard drive to a walk off victory.

Dak will still need a new contract, or tagged, or walk.

If Dallas, at that time, considering the results, offered Dak a contract which compensation was an average of 40 million a year, or at least above 38 million would you:

Still be a doubter?
Still be disappointed he wants that salary?
Opposed to reupping him with a new contract?
In favor of forcing him to play under a tag the coming season?
Just as soon let him walk since his heroics was not enough to say he is the real deal?

I don't need the why because I'm pretty certain I have read all your thoughts on him. But if you feel you need to elaborate, then tee it up.

Maybe we can have a discussion without the acrimony concerning Dak.
To begin, there is no QB that has won a Super Bowl without having a great team around him. NONE.

There is no way I'd be a doubter, unless we ran 60% of the time all season which is doubtful. A superbowl win would have Dak as an elite QB, if he averages his stats from the previous 4 years.

Look, I'd really give him 4 years and go from there. Heck, in 3 years we have a decision to make on continuing with Zeke's contract. If these guys don't have playoff success consistently the next 3 years, I'd want to blow it up on the offensive side of the ball. We now have an experienced head coach. Even with that, it took Andy Reid 7 years to win a Super Bowl with Kansas City. There was playoff success the prior years, but just something to consider.
 

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No I wouldnt, who would want to dump a Super Bowl winning QB.

But let me ask you this. If you support Dalton while Dak is on the bench, would that make you a Dak Hater?
Not at all.

If Dalton is the starter due to injury or performance, of course I’d support him. I want my favorite football team to win no matter who the QB is. I’ve never once “hated” or rooted against a current Cowboys player.

It takes a special kind of beta male LOSER to root against your favorite football team’s starting QB because you’d rather say, “I told you so!”

Needing that type of look-at-me validation - from strangers on the internet, no less - is as pathetic as it gets.
 

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I was a Romo guy. Had hoped he would take over when he recovered.
Was shocked when he abdicated his throne. I was bummed.
But that was not Dak's fault. When Romo moved on, I became a Dak guy. He is and I hope will be, our starting QB for the next 4 years at least.
I am giddy over the draft and new coach, combined with the FA bought in so far. (And I think bringing Dalton on board is a smart move). And the promise of a bounty in next years draft - I feel, this is the start of a Dallas return to greatness.
I am firmly in Dak's corner.
This is fairly close to my stance.
I was a huge Romo guy, but have always supported Dak.
Do I think he's a 35+ mil per year talent? No. I think he is top 10-15 level though. But that's how it is in the NFL. QBs get paid
He will be our guy. I feel pretty sure of that.
 

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Not at all.

If Dalton is the starter due to injury or performance, of course I’d support him. I want my favorite football team to win no matter who the QB is. I’ve never once “hated” or rooted against a current Cowboys player.

It takes a special kind of beta male LOSER to root against your favorite football team’s starting QB because you’d rather say, “I told you so!”

Needing that type of look-at-me validation - from strangers on the internet, no less - is as pathetic as it gets.
Stop projecting this. I have posted many times that I am hooeful for Dak. Usually before the season starts. Then after not seeing any improvement in regular season. I criticise his flaws.

No hate.

Right after the Draft I started a post claiming Dak would throw for close to 6000 yds. I made that statement and I was looking forward to watch Dak achieve it this year.

But now I am putting my hope into Dalton. Nothning personal to Dak. I Love the Cowboys and I love this off season. I am hoping for the best.

Another scenario which may happen is the competition lights a fire under Dak and he goes all out every play. Which i would be very happy to see.

Dak's greatest season was his rookie season, thats the only year he had competition. Dak thrives in that situation
 

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Stop projecting this. I have posted many times that I am hooeful for Dak. Usually before the season starts. Then after not seeing any improvement in regular season. I criticise his flaws.

No hate.

Right after the Draft I started a post claiming Dak would throw for close to 6000 yds. I made that statement and I was looking forward to watch Dak achieve it this year.

But now I am putting my hope into Dalton. Nothning personal to Dak. I Love the Cowboys and I love this off season. I am hoping for the best.

Another scenario which may happen is the competition lights a fire under Dak and he goes all out every play. Which i would be very happy to see.

Dak's greatest season was his rookie season, thats the only year he had competition. Dak thrives in that situation

Cowboys at home unable to move the ball (a more than usual phenomenal) and all of a sudden you start hearing in the back-ground chants of ....Andy....Andy....Andy...Andy...trust me this will become a reality this coming season!
 

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Cowboys at home unable to move the ball (a more than usual phenomenal) and all of a sudden you start hearing in the back-ground chants of ....Andy....Andy....Andy...Andy...trust me this will become a reality this coming season!
And if it's a road game against a good team the fans will be chanting.."Leave Dak in".."Leave Dak in"
 

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So i guess Dak is only a non factor when it comes to Blame for Cowboys struggles.

Blame the Coaches
Blame the WRs (All of them)
Blame the RB
Blame the O-Line
Blame the Defense
Blame the Kicker

Relentlessly and vicously attack everyone and anyone not named Dak

You Dak Supporters (Not Cowboys Supporters) are always moving the goal posts.
Nowhere did I absolve Dak of blame. He certainly has come up short at times as well. But to label him as a non-factor in the second half of games is just simply not true.
 

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Stop projecting this. I have posted many times that I am hooeful for Dak. Usually before the season starts. Then after not seeing any improvement in regular season. I criticise his flaws.

No hate.

Right after the Draft I started a post claiming Dak would throw for close to 6000 yds. I made that statement and I was looking forward to watch Dak achieve it this year.

But now I am putting my hope into Dalton. Nothning personal to Dak. I Love the Cowboys and I love this off season. I am hoping for the best.

Another scenario which may happen is the competition lights a fire under Dak and he goes all out every play. Which i would be very happy to see.

Dak's greatest season was his rookie season, thats the only year he had competition. Dak thrives in that situation
Dak did not have competition. Moore broke his leg and was done for the year, which moved Dak to #2. Then Romo went down in the pre-season, moving Dak to #1. He was playing incredibly well while Romo was healing up that it made it nearly impossible to pull in him favor of Romo once Romo was 100% ( I personally would have pulled the trigger and put Romo back in, but that's just me). Dak got the QB1 job by default and made the absolute most of his opportunity. Don't make it seem like the competition from the other QBs on the roster forced him to raise his game to the point where he took the job from Romo, because that did not happen.
 

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Make no mistake.

Most of his “doubters” are locked into their positions. Dak could be MVP and win the Super Bowl and it still wouldn’t be enough.

They’ll still say he’s “average” (no matter what the numbers say) and any QB could’ve done that with this supporting cast. That I can promise you.

They’re losers. Dak’s a winner. Losers usually resent winners, especially anonymously on the internet.
If he was MVP and won a SB, he would be successful. Everyone would love him.

But he is not. He has rose to the occasion in a meaningful game one time, in the Seattle playoff game, when Zeke had 137 yards and the defense played well. Even then, he had average stats.
 

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Defense and specials teams still exist. The Dak-led offense played well overall last year.

Tony Romo put up big numbers from 2011-13... Dallas went 8-8 each year.

Drew Brees put up big numbers from 2014-16... New Orleans went 7-9 each year.

It takes more than strong QB play to be a playoff team.
Team game
Always pure fact

I will say this regarding the 8-8 seasons---I find those from 2011-2013 (with some of the leagues very worst defenses, Run games and Olines) to be far more explainable than the 8-8 in 2019.
The overall roster was WAY better and younger last year than in those years.
 
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