What did you all expect Dak to do?

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Playing up? You mean playing down? Most 4th round picks are backups.

At least have the stones to admit you were wrong about Dak initially. Cmon, lets hear it.

Please stop..

His rookie year I sure didn’t complain.

About the time Zeke got suspended in year 2 I believe it was is when I started thinking he wasn’t all that great.

As of now I have him as a slightly better than average QB.

Then when I say that you guys usually cry about numbers..

Then I point out how he inflated those numbers on garbage teams..

When the truth is neither of us care about the numbers and you guys are just Dak fans and myself and others don’t mind Dak but don’t think it’s a wise move to make him one of the highest paid players in the NFL.

Some hate Dak unconditionally.. Some like Dak unconditionally..

Then there is a big group of us in the middle of the spectrum who are scared to draft and think if you have a decent QB that you have to bow down to their commands and then on the other side there are people that aren’t afraid and think he is replaceable and it would be better to spend the money on the rest of the team.
 

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Go up to your current boss, and look him in his eyes and tell him you are going to hold out for the NFL minimum wage...now, where will you be tomorrow?

You root for the Dallas Cowboys because after all, it's just a game? Sorry, the pain and sacrifice is fully real...but sorry replacement of morales and ethics has really become a rotten mess for this generation's silver spoon spoiled.

Don't even bat about the term...sorry!

Many of us volunteered service, to offer our lives for you and all in our country...but don't banter this fan with, that's just the way of sport today. Sorry, that is purely shallow and fully self serving.

When I was still playing, there was an example of presenting a roll model...and yea, in the game of football. Know why Don Shula was so respected? Because he would NOT compromise on right and what should be done. That is the NFL as well...guy.

The visibility of an excuse is ZERO meters in the real world. Sorry, I don't buy the 'cliche' that the Smith's don't mind the smugness of rich.

To be honest with you I think that because the current crisis we are facing with this deadly disease, causing millions to lose their jobs, numbing unemployment numbers, folks waiting on line to get food for their famililes just to survive, as well as the hundreds of thousands of deaths, Dak Does appear to look "greedy" to many.

Ya know these debates can turn political, and I really don’t want to take this thread there for the sake of this being a sport forum and I’m sure the mods would end it (though I would enjoy the debate very much so). That being said, I understand where both of you are coming from. Again, I’m not going to get into if I think your statements are right or wrong. Though, I will say they are valid concerns. Concerns I believe allot of people from the outside looking in are seeing in this whole contract dispute deal. Should Dak have the same concerns you both made in your posts? Sure, perhaps I overstated my point in post 22. Should Dak’s concerns with the world around him impede him in wanting a contact he deems fair in his mind? That’s another story imo. I think we will agree to disagree here.
 

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Ya know these debates can turn political, and I really don’t want to take this thread there for the sake of this being a sport forum and I’m sure the mods would end it (though I would enjoy the debate very much so). That being said, I understand where both of you are coming from. Again, I’m not going to get into if I think your statements are right or wrong. Though, I will say they are valid concerns. Concerns I believe allot of people from the outside looking in are seeing in this whole contract dispute deal. Should Dak have the same concerns you both made in your posts? Sure, perhaps I overstated my point in post 22. Should Dak’s concerns with the world around him impede him in wanting a contact he deems fair in his mind? That’s another story imo. I think we will agree to disagree here.

Not political...respect is the bottom line. Can't handle that concept? Most football player can, as well as coaches.

Ask the family of Shula, if HE knew respect...you bet he did, and wasn't afraid to declare that to anyone.

My prayers are still with he and his loved ones.
 

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First I would like to say, I am not talking to the straight up “Dak haters” out there. If you hate Dak’s game you don’t really care what contact he signs you just want him gone. I get that. It’s your opinion and you have the right to have it. Whatever

I’m taking to those who appear to have an issue with Dak due to this whole contract dispute. I keep seeing these Dak threads pop up every day (I know, I know here’s another one) basically saying the same thing in different ways. As you all know and have seen, majority of these threads are designed to call Dak an average QB and bashing him for wanting top dollar money when he is no better then Andy Dalton. It’s amazing of variety of ways these statements are being made, I will give you all credit for that. Kudos

But my question is, what did you all expect Dak to do? I mean he is following the same formula all NFL players have followed since free agency has began in the NFL. I am seeing people bashing him for being greedy and not caring about his team or teammates. Were you all expecting him to sign for $25 million/year when his peers are signing for $30 million+? Is that what this is? Besides a certain QB who happens to be married to the richest supermodel in the world, who does that? Is there another starting caliber QB (besides what Brady DID) signing for less then their peers out there?

PS Tannehill and Bridgewater were both backups who took over starting jobs in the middle of the season. They don’t count as established starters.

When he said he didn't want Russell Wilson money I expected him to mean it. Never did I think he would jump on a contract 10 million per year short of market value. I would've expected he accept the last reported offer we made, as well as the one before that.
 

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First I would like to say, I am not talking to the straight up “Dak haters” out there. If you hate Dak’s game you don’t really care what contact he signs you just want him gone. I get that. It’s your opinion and you have the right to have it. Whatever

I’m taking to those who appear to have an issue with Dak due to this whole contract dispute. I keep seeing these Dak threads pop up every day (I know, I know here’s another one) basically saying the same thing in different ways. As you all know and have seen, majority of these threads are designed to call Dak an average QB and bashing him for wanting top dollar money when he is no better then Andy Dalton. It’s amazing of variety of ways these statements are being made, I will give you all credit for that. Kudos

But my question is, what did you all expect Dak to do? I mean he is following the same formula all NFL players have followed since free agency has began in the NFL. I am seeing people bashing him for being greedy and not caring about his team or teammates. Were you all expecting him to sign for $25 million/year when his peers are signing for $30 million+? Is that what this is? Besides a certain QB who happens to be married to the richest supermodel in the world, who does that? Is there another starting caliber QB (besides what Brady DID) signing for less then their peers out there?

PS Tannehill and Bridgewater were both backups who took over starting jobs in the middle of the season. They don’t count as established starters.

I root for the team, not the player. It's pretty straight forward. QBs like Russel Wilson are getting 35 million. Our QB wants the same or more and he's not Russel Wilson. I feel like we're getting robbed. If a guy walks out of the dealership with a brand new Mustang for 40k but all they'll give me for the same money is a Honda Civic, i'm going to be a Honda hater. Then tell me too bad, you need a car so pony up.
 

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I root for the team, not the player. It's pretty straight forward. QBs like Russel Wilson are getting 35 million. Our QB wants the same or more and he's not Russel Wilson. I feel like we're getting robbed. If a guy walks out of the dealership with a brand new Mustang for 40k but all they'll give me for the same money is a Honda Civic, i'm going to be a Honda hater. Then tell me too bad, you need a car so pony up.

Why cant people understand this... jesus!
 

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I dont blame Dak. He is a scrub trying to get paid in what is likely his last big contract in this league

Im “angry” that the front office is even entertaining this and not moving on like they should
I get if you aren’t sold on Dak, but I’ve never heard of a “scrub” being 2nd in the passing yards and 4th in TDs. I get stats like that don’t tell the entirety of the story, but they are at least significant enough that it takes a gross exaggeration to call him a scrub.
 

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First I would like to say, I am not talking to the straight up “Dak haters” out there. If you hate Dak’s game you don’t really care what contact he signs you just want him gone. I get that. It’s your opinion and you have the right to have it. Whatever

I’m taking to those who appear to have an issue with Dak due to this whole contract dispute. I keep seeing these Dak threads pop up every day (I know, I know here’s another one) basically saying the same thing in different ways. As you all know and have seen, majority of these threads are designed to call Dak an average QB and bashing him for wanting top dollar money when he is no better then Andy Dalton. It’s amazing of variety of ways these statements are being made, I will give you all credit for that. Kudos

But my question is, what did you all expect Dak to do? I mean he is following the same formula all NFL players have followed since free agency has began in the NFL. I am seeing people bashing him for being greedy and not caring about his team or teammates. Were you all expecting him to sign for $25 million/year when his peers are signing for $30 million+? Is that what this is? Besides a certain QB who happens to be married to the richest supermodel in the world, who does that? Is there another starting caliber QB (besides what Brady DID) signing for less then their peers out there?

PS Tannehill and Bridgewater were both backups who took over starting jobs in the middle of the season. They don’t count as established starters.



I expect him to put the team on his shoulders and make absolutely miracle wins. That's how he wants paid that;s how he should play.

I want people to judge Dak just like how they judge Tony. (as if)

I want Dak to appreciate his situation and take a very nice contract form the generous cowboys.

I think the team made dak. I don;t think dak made this team. So conduct himself accordingly.
 

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I wish Mods would either start deleting, or combining all of these repetitive Dak threads.

You could say keep scrolling, but at this point that's a lot of scrolling.
 

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When he said he didn't want Russell Wilson money I expected him to mean it. Never did I think he would jump on a contract 10 million per year short of market value. I would've expected he accept the last reported offer we made, as well as the one before that.

Kind of like inserting one's foot into the proverbial pie hole, and then adjusting the heel to insure it fits also...(Dak)
 
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I get if you aren’t sold on Dak, but I’ve never heard of a “scrub” being 2nd in the passing yards and 4th in TDs. I get stats like that don’t tell the entirety of the story, but they are at least significant enough that it takes a gross exaggeration to call him a scrub.
1678 (335 ypg) of those yards came against the teams that picked 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in this past draft.

17 (3.4 td/g) of his 30 Tds came against those 3 teams.

So lets do the math real quick.

4902-1678= 3224

30-17= 13

So in his other 11 games, he averaged 293 yds pg and 1.1 td per game.

That is a 4688 yds 17 td average


I didnt even get in to the stat-padding he had in the Bills and Packers games.

So yes, while numbers on the surface can look impressive, they are certainly deceiving in Dak’s case
 

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1678 (335 ypg) of those yards came against the teams that picked 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in this past draft.

17 (3.4 td/g) of his 30 Tds came against those 3 teams.

So lets do the math real quick.

4902-1678= 3224

30-17= 13

So in his other 11 games, he averaged 293 yds pg and 1.1 td per game.

That is a 4688 yds 17 td average


I didnt even get in to the stat-padding he had in the Bills and Packers games.

So yes, while numbers on the surface can look impressive, they are certainly deceiving in Dak’s case
So, other QBs don’t count stats against lesser teams? Sorry, I wasn’t aware.
 
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I wish Mods would either start deleting, or combining all of these repetitive Dak threads.

You could say keep scrolling, but at this point that's a lot of scrolling.

This was sorta the underlying message I was trying to get at.
 

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So, other QBs don’t count stats against lesser teams? Sorry, I wasn’t aware.
I knew you would take it there...

Im not taking anything away from Dak for beating up on bad teams.

I am just not as impressed as his supporters over his 2019 numbers because of this context.

17 TDs in 11 games. Wow. Thats terrible no matter how you spin it.

His yardage doesnt impress me either due to those games we were down by multiple scores late and he was dropping back to pass every play (Packers, Bears, Bills)

Ie. Vs the Bills, the Cowboys were down 26-7 with 5:36 left in the game. Cowboys go 70 yards in 5 plays, in what most likely was prevent defense, to make the score 26-15.

^^^^^ this doesnt impress me


I havent been impressed with Dak since his rookie season. He had a lesser roster, but continuously played well against even the best competition. Based on those results and the results of that season (13-3), I wouldnt mind him as my team’s quarterback getting paid 33-35m a season.

But since that season, I havent been impressed. Off-target throws, multiple games with 0 TDs, struggling against 3rd stringers, not winning the critical games...
 

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First I would like to say, I am not talking to the straight up “Dak haters” out there. If you hate Dak’s game you don’t really care what contact he signs you just want him gone. I get that. It’s your opinion and you have the right to have it. Whatever

I’m taking to those who appear to have an issue with Dak due to this whole contract dispute. I keep seeing these Dak threads pop up every day (I know, I know here’s another one) basically saying the same thing in different ways. As you all know and have seen, majority of these threads are designed to call Dak an average QB and bashing him for wanting top dollar money when he is no better then Andy Dalton. It’s amazing of variety of ways these statements are being made, I will give you all credit for that. Kudos

But my question is, what did you all expect Dak to do? I mean he is following the same formula all NFL players have followed since free agency has began in the NFL. I am seeing people bashing him for being greedy and not caring about his team or teammates. Were you all expecting him to sign for $25 million/year when his peers are signing for $30 million+? Is that what this is? Besides a certain QB who happens to be married to the richest supermodel in the world, who does that? Is there another starting caliber QB (besides what Brady DID) signing for less then their peers out there?

PS Tannehill and Bridgewater were both backups who took over starting jobs in the middle of the season. They don’t count as established starters.

But that is just it... he isnt trying to get paid like his "Peers." His Peers are not Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers, and Tom Brady, yet hes trying to be paid like the BEST QB in the league. If you want to compare him with Wentz and Goff... fine, but he is trying to blow their deal out of the water. That is the problem.
 

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I knew you would take it there...

Im not taking anything away from Dak for beating up on bad teams.

I am just not as impressed as his supporters over his 2019 numbers because of this context.

17 TDs in 11 games. Wow. Thats terrible no matter how you spin it.

His yardage doesnt impress me either due to those games we were down by multiple scores late and he was dropping back to pass every play (Packers, Bears, Bills)

Ie. Vs the Bills, the Cowboys were down 26-7 with 5:36 left in the game. Cowboys go 70 yards in 5 plays, in what most likely was prevent defense, to make the score 26-15.

^^^^^ this doesnt impress me


I havent been impressed with Dak since his rookie season. He had a lesser roster, but continuously played well against even the best competition. Based on those results and the results of that season (13-3), I wouldnt mind him as my team’s quarterback getting paid 33-35m a season.

But since that season, I havent been impressed. Off-target throws, multiple games with 0 TDs, struggling against 3rd stringers, not winning the critical games...

it was a fair comment because other QBs actually count stats against bad teams too, and even if Dak had a few more weak teams to play than someone else, it doesn’t explain away the whole season, or justify an extreme position like calling him a scrub.

I don’t have any problem with anyone not being completely on board with Dak. I agree myself that Dak has things he needs to improve on, and I readily agree Dak is not a elite QB. I just don’t like taking extremist positions. It is possible to believe Dak isn’t the right guy for the team without suggesting he his a scrub, as if he is a complete bottom of the barrel player. There is a hell of a lot of room to be reasonable in between the extreme views.
 

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First I would like to say, I am not talking to the straight up “Dak haters” out there. If you hate Dak’s game you don’t really care what contact he signs you just want him gone. I get that. It’s your opinion and you have the right to have it. Whatever

I’m taking to those who appear to have an issue with Dak due to this whole contract dispute. I keep seeing these Dak threads pop up every day (I know, I know here’s another one) basically saying the same thing in different ways. As you all know and have seen, majority of these threads are designed to call Dak an average QB and bashing him for wanting top dollar money when he is no better then Andy Dalton. It’s amazing of variety of ways these statements are being made, I will give you all credit for that. Kudos

But my question is, what did you all expect Dak to do? I mean he is following the same formula all NFL players have followed since free agency has began in the NFL. I am seeing people bashing him for being greedy and not caring about his team or teammates. Were you all expecting him to sign for $25 million/year when his peers are signing for $30 million+? Is that what this is? Besides a certain QB who happens to be married to the richest supermodel in the world, who does that? Is there another starting caliber QB (besides what Brady DID) signing for less then their peers out there?

PS Tannehill and Bridgewater were both backups who took over starting jobs in the middle of the season. They don’t count as established starters.

My problem with Dak is he is asking to be the highest paid QB in the league and he has exactly 1 playoff win.

In what world is Dak worth more than Aaron Rogers, Russel Wilson, Drew Brees, ect……...all these guys have rings.

When Dak has a ring, he can ask for that type of coin, but to demand to be paid more than these guys when all you got on your resume is a single Wildcard win is just laughable. Even Jerry and his idiot boy are laughing at that.

Dak can play on the tag and we shall see what happens. No playoffs or another quick exit and it might be bye-bye.
 

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Please stop..

His rookie year I sure didn’t complain.

About the time Zeke got suspended in year 2 I believe it was is when I started thinking he wasn’t all that great.

As of now I have him as a slightly better than average QB.

Then when I say that you guys usually cry about numbers..

Then I point out how he inflated those numbers on garbage teams..

When the truth is neither of us care about the numbers and you guys are just Dak fans and myself and others don’t mind Dak but don’t think it’s a wise move to make him one of the highest paid players in the NFL.

Some hate Dak unconditionally.. Some like Dak unconditionally..

Then there is a big group of us in the middle of the spectrum who are scared to draft and think if you have a decent QB that you have to bow down to their commands and then on the other side there are people that aren’t afraid and think he is replaceable and it would be better to spend the money on the rest of the team.

Slightly better than average means he is top 10 buddy.

And the word average is misconstrued anyway. Average would include all the QB's in the NFL including backups.

Average WR means he is something like #50 in the NFL. Saying a WR is top 10 is amazing. Saying a QB is top 10 is basically saying he is the 10th best player in the NFL.

If there was a draft for EVERY player in the NFL, Dak would be picked #10 as the top teams would be selecting a QB first.

And in his 4th year top 10 is right on target. IN a year or two he will probably be around 6 or 7. That's all you need and a QB you are definitely going to pay.
 

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1678 (335 ypg) of those yards came against the teams that picked 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in this past draft.

17 (3.4 td/g) of his 30 Tds came against those 3 teams.

So lets do the math real quick.

4902-1678= 3224

30-17= 13

So in his other 11 games, he averaged 293 yds pg and 1.1 td per game.

That is a 4688 yds 17 td average


I didnt even get in to the stat-padding he had in the Bills and Packers games.

So yes, while numbers on the surface can look impressive, they are certainly deceiving in Dak’s case
Not allowed to do that kind smart thinking or math here, you can only use twisted views , excuses, math and stats that show the greatness of Dak. Dak to me is a average starting QB (at times very good but only with every player being a top 3 NFL talent on O other wise it is average to poor at times) so why Jerry will pay him elite money is beyond me but he will just look at his past blunders. People can laugh but just think at $25 mil a year for 2 years Jerry could of signed Tom Brady and most likeley got Gronk too and had $$$$ left over to upgrade the D. Anyone who says Dak gives the team a better chance to win at a cost of 10 to 13 Mil more that TB just doesn't know football. The reason Dak will be signed is because Jerry has to say it was him who built the team, picked the talent and he is Mr. football, if TB came folks would say it was TB who won it and Jerry will not have any of that. Sad but at this point Jerry only wants to win a Superbowl if he gets 100% of the credit and I do not see that happening with Dak or Jerry in charge. Hope things are getting better in NY. I wouldn't have a problem with Dak at the right $$$$$ but that is not going to happen.
 
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