McCarthy 20 Personnel

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Ideally suited? What makes that better than 11 personnel? What advantage does the extra back give us that the TE doesn't? Do we have a Moose Johnson? If not, what good is he back there?

I can see how Zeke and Pollard in the backfield could be better than Zeke and Jarwin in 21 personnel. Get more speed and explosiveness on the field.
 

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You have a FB, I think that’s the point. It’s also a shotgun with a slot wr for the hot route probably. Then you sneak a TE in there to run the ball or motion into full house backfield...cool
 

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I can see how Zeke and Pollard in the backfield could be better than Zeke and Jarwin in 21 personnel. Get more speed and explosiveness on the field.

You mean 20 personnel? Tom Landry ran an interesting version of the 20 personnel out of shotgun. Both backs would shift just outside the tackles.
 

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Sure. It's not a bad formation. I do like it. I just wish we had a power FB to make running from that formation an option.
Weird how we always seem to have a FB, but never any Moose calls anymore.
 

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Breaking Down Mike McCarthy's Offense || How He Calls Play
 

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Breaking Down Mike McCarthy's Offense || How He Calls Play


this is why i want McCarthy and RB coach Skip Peete to design the run game instead of Kellen Moore.
Under K-Moore, i thought we were so unimaginative and predictable- i thought it was more geared to just up the middle gut runs
and ball control that the splash plays was so neglect and i didn't see the versatility of both inside and outside edge runs.

- And we need to get Zeke back to his 2016 previous shape and run form (than having him ballooning up Eddie Lacy..yikes)
That zeke was both sheer power and splash plays galore.

- and if you can see clips of this vid how MM likes to use his FB and how he involves his RBs into the pass game - another area where
Moore failed when it came to RBs in pass game, imo.(Detroit game alone) ..that would be a much added weaponry and danger vs opposing defenses.
i think the McCarthy way can better the use of our RBs more than Kellen can, imo. That includes having Zeke take deep hand offs from QB under center vs
these RPO draw-play handoffs that don't give him enough of an adjusting visual look and momentum going into the line in the run game, imo.

- But Kellen still excels when it comes to pass routes designs and schematics, especially when it comes to QBs-WRs-TEs, quicker huddle, moving formations
and pre-snap motions, spread looks,. multiple formations,.. to moving QB and WRs around to RPO's looks.
:rolleyes:
 

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You mean 20 personnel? Tom Landry ran an interesting version of the 20 personnel out of shotgun. Both backs would shift just outside the tackles.

Yes. 20 personnel with Zeke and Pollard has it’s advantages over 11 personnel with Zeke and Jarwin as the OP stated.
 

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They ran some plays last year with Zeke as the fullback blocking for Pollard. They usually got good yardage.
 

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You do know that with 3 really talented receivers and If Jarwin comes around, the big thing here will be making sure Elliott and Pollard still get their touches, I really like how New England uses a running back out of the backfield in their passing game..Like six SB's man.
 

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I’ve been watching some Packers games from the McCarthy era. He frequently runs a formation that looks like 20 personnel. It’s an I-formation, often offset with Rodgers in the pistol, and it has a slot receiver. It’s not always 20 Personnel, though. McCarthy would put receivers and tight ends in the backfield. (He also ran a lot of full house backfield at one point in time, but that’s a different thread.)

The Cowboys personnel is ideally suited for this formation, in my opinion.

Thoughts?

KMoore is the OC.
 

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he’s the OC.

he’s calling the plays.

MM is playing the part of JasonG.

MM will never “play the part” of the clapper. He will be entrenched in what this offense does regardless of who calls plays on game day. And he should be as that is his expertise. The clappers expertise was clapping.
 

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this is why i want McCarthy and RB coach Skip Peete to design the run game instead of Kellen Moore.
Under K-Moore, i thought we were so unimaginative and predictable- i thought it was more geared to just up the middle gut runs
and ball control that the splash plays was so neglect and i didn't see the versatility of both inside and outside edge runs.

- And we need to get Zeke back to his 2016 previous shape and run form (than having him ballooning up Eddie Lacy..yikes)
That zeke was both sheer power and splash plays galore.

- and if you can see clips of this vid how MM likes to use his FB and how he involves his RBs into the pass game - another area where
Moore failed when it came to RBs in pass game, imo.(Detroit game alone) ..that would be a much added weaponry and danger vs opposing defenses.
i think the McCarthy way can better the use of our RBs more than Kellen can, imo. That includes having Zeke take deep hand offs from QB under center vs
these RPO draw-play handoffs that don't give him enough of an adjusting visual look and momentum going into the line in the run game, imo. …….
:rolleyes:

I'd still like to know if Kellen Moore really had total control to call and design plays like they told us, or if his play calling was really just an extension of Garrett's tutelage.
They told us Bill Callahan was calling the plays as well, but they admitted later it was really Garrett. Garrett didn't want to give up control.
I thought K. Moore's offense looked suspiciously more like Garrett's than his own. To copy your adjective, "unimaginative".
(JMO :D)
 
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MM will never “play the part” of the clapper. He will be entrenched in what this offense does regardless of who calls plays on game day. And he should be as that is his expertise. The clappers expertise was clapping.

Jerrys standing order...the OC runs the offense.

has this order changed? He wouldn’t let JasonG run the O.

KMoore called the plays.
 

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It's one extra guy in the backfield instead of a TE. Couldn't you just send a guy in motion to get an idea of whether or not they're in M2M? Even if 20 personnel accomplishes some of the other things you mentioned, it's still one less guy to worry about for the defense. A TE will draw a LB or Safety in coverage. The 2nd back is pretty much useless.
You get more speed on the field with Pollard, instead of Jarwin. The option to hit on a swing pass makes the LB committ to the back and will often be more effective than having that 2nd back or TE block.
 
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