A Comment and Questions for the Dak Doubters

dfense · May 7, 2020

Nav22 said:
“Even then, he had average stats”

Thanks for making my point for me. Even when he wins, his “doubters” will find a reason to strip him of credit.

That's one game in four seasons. That was "my" point. Abd he's earned those doubters. It's not unfounded.

Nav22 · May 7, 2020

dfense said:
That's one game in four seasons. That was "my" point. Abd he's earned those doubters. It's not unfounded.

*Yawn*

40-24 with very good stats despite Jason Garrett, a mediocre defense and mediocre special teams.

Yeah, it’s unfounded. There’s a reason he has an offer on the table of over $30m/year for 5 years. He’s good.

The Fonz · May 7, 2020

Typhus said:
Nailed it somewhat... is there a partial nail Imoge?
But there are the true heros that go down in history, and you have autographed pictures of them hanging in your man cave.

I agree few of the players can reach that plateau of excellence .Nowadays everyone is a legend and a hero

America's Cowboy · May 7, 2020

NotForLong said:
I wear a Dak jersey on Sundays. Straight talk. Every year I have hopes. Each year frustrated.

I feel the biggest factor has been the Fact Garrett was a phony Beta Male that couldn't handle NFL alpha Men.

Where as Romo had the aging but still fiery Parcels during his "incubation" Dak a flawed QB coming out was left with Garrett as a mentor. Everyone has turned a blind eye to Dak's flaws & they have never been addressed.

This policy has done more harm then good in Dak's development.

Now Dak finally has a legit Head Coach and the contract Fiasco took place. No one is enjoying this. I believe it is hurting everyone.

Now Dalton is here and more then anything the Price to Value is at a 80% difference. Which is significant.

Dalton played at a High level when AJ Green was healthy. Now he is team mates with 3 AJ Greens and a stud RB.

If given the chance Dalton will perform

I am looking at 2 things happening. In which I see as a Win Win. The competition lights a fire under Dak & he becomes uber focused & recaptures the magic from 2016.

Or Dalton who is equally focused becomes the starter of his home team. Oh it just so happens his oldest is 6 and will be attending school. How beautiful would it be for the hometown hero to stay home and raise his kids.

Dalton his equally hungry.

2 Hungry QB's I like that

You've got to be kidding? You're bashing Dak, who has only gotten better as a passer every year and was intentionally kept from breaking Romo's single season Cowboys passing yards record by 2 yards and kept from becoming the first Cowboys QB to throw for 5K yards, while praising the Andy Dalton of 2015 or earlier? What kind of a dirty, backstabbing comparison is that? Hello? Have you not paid attention to the Dalton of recent years who is now 32 years old and has played so poorly that he was benched for a much lesser talented rookie QB during the middle of the season last year? Today's Andy Dalton doesn't come close to what Dak brings to the table. Not even during Dalton's first 4 years either.

Heck, make it an equally fair comparison and compare Dalton's first 4 years to Dak's first 4 years.

Better yet, let's compare Dalton's performance in the playoffs during his first 4 years in the league, compared to Dak's performance in the playoffs during his only 4 years in the league so far...

As one can see, it's not even close! Dak is definitely way much better and more clutch in the playoffs when it matters more than Dalton has ever been. I believe you and other anti-Dakers need to take your blinders off and appreciate what we have in Dak Prescott. Dak is definitely much better than Andy Dalton, and Dak is definitely getting better every year. Dak is definitely one of the top franchise QBs in the league and about to shine even more under this new and way much better coaching staff. Let's show Dak some appreciation and support.

kskboys · May 7, 2020

jazzcat22 said:
Fans already have their minds set, and nothing will change that. Some had their minds set as soon as Dak was drafted and entered that 1st game.

I remember after that loss to NY in their 1st NFL game of Dak and Zeke. A game which they could have won. Was that the game Tereence Williams, if he got out of bounds, we had a shot at a FG to win? If we picked up 5 years on the next play..

Anyway fans were all over Zeke and Dak, though some said Dak played better than expected. Anyway seemed 90% said,og we won't win a game, Zeke is a bust.

Well Dak and Zeke had a great year. Dak then regressed the last half of the next season, without Zeke they went 3-3. And some fans have hated him since.
Year 3, Dak wins us a playoff game many thought we would get blown out, but he brought us back, those same fans still hated him.

And even though he improved his play last year overall, with a failed lame duck coaching staff, the team failed. Dak as well as the entire team, and with an injured Cooper, fans dumped on Dak even more.

Nothing, not even SB win will change their minds, they will always invent some reason to not like him. Even if it is just related to how much he would get paid.

I am still not sold 100% on Dak, so want to see how he does this season with a new staff and scheme. However if he does sign a 4 or 5 year deal, I will not dislike him. He has his skill set, and has a lot of very good intangible assets. I think he can take us to a SB. And yes, he as ALL Qb's need to be surrounded with a strong team. Rather that be the defenses, or skill players or both, they need a supporting cast. So an excuse that he needs to have these type of players is BS. Why only does it apply to him, but not others?

So it is up to this new staff to utilize those skills sets to help this team win. As we know Garrett did not use this teams skills sets, especially on defense to help.

Actually, I think very few fans have their minds set on Dak.

Beast_from_East · May 8, 2020

If we win the SB this year...…………….yes, I would give Dak his $40 million.

But that's not getting at the real question here my friend.

The real question is who is willing to give Dak his $40 million if we go 10-6 and lose in the first or second round of the playoffs.

CATCH17 · May 8, 2020

TwoDeep3 said:
It has taken me a long time to come to terms with this board. Maybe all message boards. I don't believe many times does one poster ever change the mind of another poster. Even with burning bush proof mushed in the doubters face. So I am not here to praise Dak, or convince you of something you currently do not believe.

My position. I believe, with the team's Dak has played for since coming to the Cowboys, - questionable receivers, lack of defense, false accusations about a significant piece and ultimate suspension....ect. - to me...............TO ME............... I have seen progress by Dak and believe he has superior leadership qualities, and enough talent to lead this team to the promised land. Provided he has a real team and not all of the pressure is on him alone.

However, that could change if he had all the skill players and a defense and failed. So I am riding the fence with a positive attitude, but a show me inner voice.

Having said that I would like to ask the doubters a few questions. Keep in mind there is no trick about these questions. Your opinion is yours and counts no more or less than anyone else here.

QUESTIONS

Were Dak to play under the tag this season, and after all is said and done the Dallas Cowboys win the Super Bowl. Dak plays within himself, but it is a true team win, and not some Elway 97 yard drive to a walk off victory.

Dak will still need a new contract, or tagged, or walk.

If Dallas, at that time, considering the results, offered Dak a contract which compensation was an average of 40 million a year, or at least above 38 million would you:

Still be a doubter?
Still be disappointed he wants that salary?
Opposed to reupping him with a new contract?
In favor of forcing him to play under a tag the coming season?
Just as soon let him walk since his heroics was not enough to say he is the real deal?

I don't need the why because I'm pretty certain I have read all your thoughts on him. But if you feel you need to elaborate, then tee it up.

Maybe we can have a discussion without the acrimony concerning Dak.

If Dallas wins a Super Bowl then I have no problem with him getting a deal and parading him around for a few years as a shrine of what we did.

Once you win the Super Bowl you’re kinda playing with house money for a few years and you can do no wrong.

It’s why I didn’t have a big problem with Wentz getting all that money. At least Philly won a title after they paid him.

Hadenough · May 8, 2020

Dak deserves to be paid regardless of if he wins a SB. I like Dak and if he can lead this team to a SB victory by driving the bus that works for me. But he needs to do it before he gets the 40 mil he is asking for otherwise he falls into the catagory of a QB thats worth about 27 mil.

cowboyed · May 8, 2020

https://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2020/5/5/21247547/test-your-knowledge-how-badly-did-dak

Check out this article, this should give us pause on how good or bad Dak is.

Philmonroe · May 8, 2020

Clove said:
100% true. I don't think people can be happy for their team unless their guy/s are winning. Just winning no longer matters, it's who you win with and how you win.

Maybe 100% true for you but I can be happy for the team if Dak is winning and I think he’s not that good. The point is winning not how I don’t think Dak is that good. The thing is people assume you rather lose than win with Dak when that’s not even close to the truth at least for me. I just don’t think you’ll win big with Dak and he’s lacking as a passer not that I don’t want to win big with Dak. Those are two different things and because too many are controlled by emotions like little kids they cant see the obvious difference.

Philmonroe · May 8, 2020

Kwyn said:
This.

It continues to surprise me that there is anyone who considers themselves a Cowboy fan who doesn’t feel this way but there are tons of them

There will be dozens of comments today from posters who actually root against our Quarterback *on the field* and If the team fails in the process, that’s ok as long as it speeds his departure.

Throw away an entire season? No problem as long as Dak’s gone. Waste another year of a great offensive line? Sure, as long as Dak is gone.

It’s crazy!

I think this is bs to be honest. Just like last year with Jason people didn’t want to lose but they looked at the bright side in their mind ofnthe losses gets them closer to Jason being fired. I think that’s the same way folks look at Dak that you’re talking about. I doubt you can seriously find someone actually wanting the team to lose every week.

MikeB80 · May 8, 2020

America's Cowboy said:
Dak has already more than proven himself. 2 years ago in 2018, the anti-Dakers were blasting Dak after his struggles without a #1 WR and a rookie #2 WR halfway through the season. The trade for Amari Cooper was made, and that helped Dak light it up the 2nd half of the season, led the team to a division title and the playoffs, plus Dak outplayed Russell Wilson and literally led the team to a home playoff win against the playoff experienced Seahawks. THAT definitely was enough to warrant Dak deserving of a big new contract, but Jerry reneged and gave fuel to the anti-Dakers to demand Dak prove himself 1 more season.

Well, Dak rightfully took it personal and bet on himself and played 2019 on his last year of his rookie contract for dirt cheap, tearing it up statistically and almost passing for 5K yards, all while his WRs led the league in drops (51), Zeke and the Oline not showing up in the run game 3 - 4 times, having a kicker who led the league in missed mid-range FGs that definitely cost us 2-3 games, having a Defense that led the league in missed tackles while constantly giving up yards/field position and easy points, all while having one of the worst special teams around the league while the team was led by a group of coaches who 90% are no longer here.

Yet, here we are once again for a 3rd time with them anti-Dakers demanding Dak prove himself once again. What a bunch of baloney. These folks are simply a bunch of haters who simply have never liked or appreciated Dak, and they are hell bent on complaining every day, 24/7 in hopes of the Cowboys organization hearing their incessant unappreciative cries in order to appease their wrongful bleeding hearts. They simply don't want Dak to remain a Cowboy, and they could care less if it costs the Cowboys seasons to come.

wow sounds like if Dak just took the field himself he would go 16-0 what with all that poor offensive line play, bad running back play and poor wr play. Must be tough to be Dak and have such a poor group of teammates around him.

America's Cowboy · May 8, 2020

MikeB80 said:
wow sounds like if Dak just took the field himself he would go 16-0 what with all that poor offensive line play, bad running back play and poor wr play. Must be tough to be Dak and have such a poor group of teammates around him.

Nah, Dak had his mistakes. Needs to keep working on his accuracy on crossing routes. But his positional teammates messed up quite a bit during lost games.

jnday · May 8, 2020

Nav22 said:
Good for you for being willing to change. Plenty of Cowboys “fans” won’t be willing to.

The clown with Kid Rock as his avatar has said he’d never support Dak as the Cowboys QB “no matter what.”

We all know what that’s code for.

Yeah, I said it. I don’t like him or his style of playing. I promise my opinion is bothering you much more than your opinion is bothering me. You are so thin-skinned when it comes to Dak being criticized that you constantly dwell on it. Get over it. I am sorry that I got in your head. By the way, what is that “code” you are referring to? If you have something to say, be man enough to say it.

Nav22 · May 8, 2020

jnday said:
Yeah, I said it. I don’t like him or his style of playing. I promise my opinion is bothering you much more than your opinion is bothering me. You are so thin-skinned when it comes to Dak being criticized that you constantly dwell on it. Get over it. I am sorry that I got in your head. By the way, what is that “code” you are referring to? If you have something to say, be man enough to say it.

LOLLL same clown who said Cooper Rush and Colt McCoy were just as good as Dak Prescott. You’re well-known as an absolute joke here. Take a bow!

Nah, I know the forum rules. You know what I’m referring to. It’s clear as day, you’re just too big a coward to admit to it directly.

Let me guess: you prefer Andy Dalton as the starter, right? Something tells me you prefer Andy’s, um, “style” over Dak’s.

Cute response, by the way. Your trembling lower lip is adorable. I own you.

You’re a complete loser and Dak’s a winner. No wonder you’re so bitter.

A guy with the, um, “style” you dislike in a QB is crushing you at life. Feels good, doesn’t it?
:thumbup:

John813 · May 8, 2020

CATCH17 said:
If Dallas wins a Super Bowl then I have no problem with him getting a deal and parading him around for a few years as a shrine of what we did.

Once you win the Super Bowl you’re kinda playing with house money for a few years and you can do no wrong.

It’s why I didn’t have a big problem with Wentz getting all that money. At least Philly won a title after they paid him.

Philly won the title before they paid him. They won it in his 2nd year in the league and he wasn't even the starter in the playoffs.

So, if Dak were to get hurt week 17, and Dalton wins us the SB, you'll be ok with Dallas signing Dak to a long term deal next year?

CATCH17 · May 8, 2020

John813 said:
Philly won the title before they paid him. They won it in his 2nd year in the league and he wasn't even the starter in the playoffs.

So, if Dak were to get hurt week 17, and Dalton wins us the SB, you'll be ok with Dallas signing Dak to a long term deal next year?

They invested a top 5 overall pick and the guy was about to win league MVP before he got hurt..

So after winning a Super Bowl I find it ok to do what they did but they won’t win anything now because of it.

Dallas needs to win something before they think about paying a average elite money.

Paradox · May 8, 2020

Dak is better than Trent Dilfer and Dilfer won the super bowl. He can win the big game for sure. That said, Dak claimed he was playing for his contract last year and went 8-8 with one of the best offenses we've ever had. Team game? Yes. Dak's fault? Not entirely, but since QBs get all the glory and the blame, the proper sports analyst answer is also yes.

And of course I'd be okay with signing him to a big contract if he won the super bowl. The contract would still hurt the team, though.

WillieBeamen · May 8, 2020

#dontpaydak

Bullet22 · May 8, 2020

Dak will get a new contract, that both sides are happy with...He will have a another good season....with a new staff, the Boys will be better......

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