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Why would you say that if I don’t see it. I just said what you said
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NotForLong
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Which end?
nalam
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Overall career or last year ?
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Laid some real stinkers against CHI, GB and NO.
Did play very well against Minny overall, made the necessary plays against LA Rams and Philly in the first game against them.
Needs to be more consistent.
Did play very well against Minny overall, made the necessary plays against LA Rams and Philly in the first game against them.
Needs to be more consistent.
WillieBeamen
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I dont know about that one
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I don't see that at all, I believe its equally the other way, in which the Dak love is an infatuation,, the man can do no wrong, walks on water, and turns that water into wine..
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What I find even more funny... The top 5 in yardage last year... The list people use often to say he was #2 last year in passing.
- Jameis Winston that nobody likes...
- Jared Goff that nobody likes...
- Philip RIvers that few like...
- Matt Ryan that people try to basically say is another Alex Smith...
Nav22
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Even BGN (the Eagles’ SB Nation site) ranked Dak as the best QB in the division for 2020.
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com...020-carson-wentz-dak-prescott-quarterback-nfl
QUARTERBACK - Dak Prescott(Cowboys)
It’s just a take; it can’t hurt you.
Looking back to 2019 before we gaze forward to 2020, the case that Prescott was the better quarterback is straightforward.
Using key metrics from PFF’s QB Annual, the analytics show that Prescott was substantially better than Carson Wentz from a clean pocket, produced more positively graded plays, avoided negative plays, was on target more often, had a better adjusted completion percentage and was more efficient on third down.
The areas where Wentz rated higher, like when under pressure and with big time throws, it’s much tighter. Thus Prescott graded higher as a passer (13th vs. 18th) and had added value as a quality runner. It’s not just PFF either. DVOA, QBR, QB Rating, ANY/A, and so on all favor Prescott.
The all-mighty film also favors Prescott. He was the more consistent of the two, hitting the proverbial ceiling and avoiding the floor more than Wentz.
With all of those factors leaning Prescott the onus would be on me to make the case for Wentz, if I chose to do so, not the other way around. Even Vegas has the odds favoring Prescott to be MVP over Wentz. Still, I’ll try to explain my rationale while providing as much context as possible.
Where it went wrong for Wentz wasn’t the high leverage drops at the end of games. In fact, I thought he played better for the early stretch of the season than many gave him credit for.
Beyond a nasty fumbling habit, the problem for Wentz shines harshest on three big games in the middle of the season. The first tilt against Dallas in Week 7 was a truly abysmal performance that saw the Eagles and Wentz falter early and never get going. That was followed soon after by two consecutive games against the Patriots and Seahawks where he looked mentally shot as the situation around him crumbled.
Wentz should get credit for rebounding and ending the season with 10 touchdowns and 1 interception over the last 5 games to drag his team to the playoffs. I’d argue it was more impressive from a leadership perspective than an execution standpoint. For example, during that stretch he never played a DVOA pass defense ranked higher than 23rd. The Giants and Dolphinscheck in at 31st and 32nd respectively, and they represent three of those five match-ups.
Prescott’s worst game came in a big moment too, but it was a shoulder injury that limited him against the Eagles in Week 16. Like Wentz, Prescott suffered from a plethora of drops, leading the league by a wide margin with 43. His receivers had 5 against the Eagles in that game alone, leaving the banged up Prescott without the support to triumph in the must-win divisional showdown.
Outside of that late failure in Philadelphia, you’re only left with a shaky performance on the road against the Patriots as games where Prescott came up noticeably short by his own doing. Even then, he never hit the lows Wentz achieved multiple times in 2019.
Projecting to 2020, situation is a key factor in quarterback success and these two are no different. The Eagles are on their third cycle of “Weapons For Wentz” and their third cycle of offensive coaches under Doug Pederson. It likely can’t be any worse in terms of supporting cast for Wentz, but there’s a good deal of unknown concerning how it all comes together.
The Cowboys made a key decision in the off-season in retaining offensive coordinator Kellen Moore. It would’ve been a huge blunder letting the young mastermind behind the 2nd ranked DVOA offense walk and the Cowboys ultimately made the right decision. They also locked in Amari Cooper and stole CeeDee Lamb in the 2020 NFL Draft.
In terms of “stability plus” - a term I made up just now - Prescott has the advantage while Wentz will need much better health around him and for new ideas to mesh well with new additions. One spot where the Eagles have the advantage is offensive line, as we’ll delve into later in this piece. That’s no small thing.
If their surrounding circumstances click, both quarterbacks have already shown the potential to play like top 10 quarterbacks or better. This is probably the third time I’ve changed answers on this through the years, but gun to my head, I’d argue that Prescott has the better shot at being a top tier quarterback in 2020.
https://www.bleedinggreennation.com...020-carson-wentz-dak-prescott-quarterback-nfl
QUARTERBACK - Dak Prescott(Cowboys)
It’s just a take; it can’t hurt you.
Looking back to 2019 before we gaze forward to 2020, the case that Prescott was the better quarterback is straightforward.
Using key metrics from PFF’s QB Annual, the analytics show that Prescott was substantially better than Carson Wentz from a clean pocket, produced more positively graded plays, avoided negative plays, was on target more often, had a better adjusted completion percentage and was more efficient on third down.
The areas where Wentz rated higher, like when under pressure and with big time throws, it’s much tighter. Thus Prescott graded higher as a passer (13th vs. 18th) and had added value as a quality runner. It’s not just PFF either. DVOA, QBR, QB Rating, ANY/A, and so on all favor Prescott.
The all-mighty film also favors Prescott. He was the more consistent of the two, hitting the proverbial ceiling and avoiding the floor more than Wentz.
With all of those factors leaning Prescott the onus would be on me to make the case for Wentz, if I chose to do so, not the other way around. Even Vegas has the odds favoring Prescott to be MVP over Wentz. Still, I’ll try to explain my rationale while providing as much context as possible.
Where it went wrong for Wentz wasn’t the high leverage drops at the end of games. In fact, I thought he played better for the early stretch of the season than many gave him credit for.
Beyond a nasty fumbling habit, the problem for Wentz shines harshest on three big games in the middle of the season. The first tilt against Dallas in Week 7 was a truly abysmal performance that saw the Eagles and Wentz falter early and never get going. That was followed soon after by two consecutive games against the Patriots and Seahawks where he looked mentally shot as the situation around him crumbled.
Wentz should get credit for rebounding and ending the season with 10 touchdowns and 1 interception over the last 5 games to drag his team to the playoffs. I’d argue it was more impressive from a leadership perspective than an execution standpoint. For example, during that stretch he never played a DVOA pass defense ranked higher than 23rd. The Giants and Dolphinscheck in at 31st and 32nd respectively, and they represent three of those five match-ups.
Prescott’s worst game came in a big moment too, but it was a shoulder injury that limited him against the Eagles in Week 16. Like Wentz, Prescott suffered from a plethora of drops, leading the league by a wide margin with 43. His receivers had 5 against the Eagles in that game alone, leaving the banged up Prescott without the support to triumph in the must-win divisional showdown.
Outside of that late failure in Philadelphia, you’re only left with a shaky performance on the road against the Patriots as games where Prescott came up noticeably short by his own doing. Even then, he never hit the lows Wentz achieved multiple times in 2019.
Projecting to 2020, situation is a key factor in quarterback success and these two are no different. The Eagles are on their third cycle of “Weapons For Wentz” and their third cycle of offensive coaches under Doug Pederson. It likely can’t be any worse in terms of supporting cast for Wentz, but there’s a good deal of unknown concerning how it all comes together.
The Cowboys made a key decision in the off-season in retaining offensive coordinator Kellen Moore. It would’ve been a huge blunder letting the young mastermind behind the 2nd ranked DVOA offense walk and the Cowboys ultimately made the right decision. They also locked in Amari Cooper and stole CeeDee Lamb in the 2020 NFL Draft.
In terms of “stability plus” - a term I made up just now - Prescott has the advantage while Wentz will need much better health around him and for new ideas to mesh well with new additions. One spot where the Eagles have the advantage is offensive line, as we’ll delve into later in this piece. That’s no small thing.
If their surrounding circumstances click, both quarterbacks have already shown the potential to play like top 10 quarterbacks or better. This is probably the third time I’ve changed answers on this through the years, but gun to my head, I’d argue that Prescott has the better shot at being a top tier quarterback in 2020.
CowboysFaninHouston
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I am just quoting dak detractors, because every 3rd post is Dak went 8-8 in 2019.....
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Wentz is his only competition in the Division.... other in NY is a rookie... and Washington really had no QB.
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Daks supporters use his career record far more often than his “haters” bring up 8-8.
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when dak detractors point to 2019 and say dak was 8-8 (same group who roasted garrett every other thread during the season)…..and dak supporters point to over all record and 2016, 2017, 2018, and now they are brining up the record? most often dak supporters point to the stats over the 4 years, including 2019....but dak detractors always point to two things in 2019...8-8 and 1-7 against winning teams....I have yet to see any other stats than those two...
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Most Dak supporters bring up record AND stats
BEFORE 2019, they would bring up that goofy stat about having the 2nd amount of wins behind Tom Brady since he entered the league. They did this because his stats after 2018, did not resemble anything close to a top-10 QB.
You know this. Dont be dense
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It IS funny how you people have absolutely nothing.
From 2016-18, you bleated that “QB record” isn’t a real stat.
And now the only argument you have is “he went 8-8 in 2019!!!”
40-24 overall with great career stats. Will soon be making over $31m/year.
I. Know. It. Hurts.
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Honestly, I don't understand why people argue about it so much... He doesn't completely suck, and he isn't all that great.... he is an average QB.
The most valuable franchise in sports should have an above average QB.
That is my big problem with Dak... Why do we have to have an average QB? And yes.... he is very average, whether some choose to believe it, like it, or whatever.
He isn't worth $35-$40mil... No team is going to offer him that if he is let go either. Yes I understand the QB market and pay scale right now... So what? He isn't
worth that kind of money.
If you are a real Dallas fan, and are about the team... you shouldn't want him to get that kind of money either.
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The entire premise of this garbage thread is that Wentz is better than Dak.
It’s so laughable that even the Eagles’ homer SB Nation site isn’t buying it.
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I don't want either of them to be honest... lol
Nav22
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Yeah, let’s just draft the next Mahomes. Those guys grow on trees.
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If I am going to waste $35-$40 mil on an average QB... I might as well have given away my 1st round picks for the next 3 years and moved up in the draft.
The result is the same...
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I should say the result is the same as far as team being screwed over...
But the Wins/Losses could be much different.