Twitter: Great thread explaining Dak Situation

davidariust24 · May 9, 2020

cowboyschmps3 said:
Below average receiving back smh

Below average running back? Wow. Every teams focus was to stop him which allows Dak to have his biggest season yardage wise to date . Teams still gear up to stop Zeke. He even barely played or halfway played the first two games. If he didnt hold out he could have added another couple of hundred yards to his total. The guy is beastly. This is with an offense who was trying desperately to become a passing team last season. He is still top 3 or 4 in the league

Qcard · May 9, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
In 2017 I was one of a very few members in the old Cowboys forums to question if Dak was truly our future.
Today I am not ALONE so having me leave this wonderful forum will not ease your distaste for reality!
We are many today as we have eyes and intelligence and know a bum QB when we see one.
Even if that BUM QB is ours!!!!

Oh I agree! There are many Dak Haters. This won't be first time many people have been collectively stupid.

Qcard · May 9, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Lol..

Dude Dak had like 4 games without a TD pass and in our big games the offense was nowhere to be found.

Lol

Dude Dak like other QBs with winning records and individual production are judged by a large sample margin not just "4 games without a TD pass...."

That is vodoo negotiation!!

If that was the case any QB can say I had 4 great games against good teams give me Contract...see the stupidity in the logic when extrapolated...

Go sell crazy Dak Hater somewhere else

CATCH17 · May 9, 2020

Qcard said:
Lol

Dude Dak like other QBs with winning records and individual production are judged by a large sample margin not just "4 games without a TD pass...."

That is vodoo negotiation!!

If that was the case any QB can say I had 4 great games against good teams give me Contract...see the stupidity in the logic when extrapolated...

Go sell crazy Dak Hater somewhere else

Yeah.. Let’s judge Dak on the games that even Andy Dalton could’ve won.. Pay the man to win games a 3 million dollar QB could win.. Sounds smart.

Just face it.. Your hero is not a playmaker.. He’s a tad better then Alex Smith.

kskboys · May 9, 2020

HanD said:

Yeah, that was so bad I didn't even bother to respond.

Qcard · May 9, 2020

CATCH17 said:
Yeah.. Let’s judge Dak on the games that even Andy Dalton could’ve won.. Pay the man to win games a 3 million dollar QB could win.. Sounds smart.

Just face it.. Your hero is not a playmaker.. He’s a tad better then Alex Smith.

Wrong....nice try. Andy Dalton 1st 4 years had less success than Dak.
If you are right why hasn't Andy been named the starter....you claim we can get the same production.. you are a Dak Hater @CATCH17, though it's very weak Hate

Dak has a better winning percentage and playoff record..
Do you think Dak wins any of the 5 playoff games Dalton lost?

Face it .....our entire teams performance against good teams was pathetic..Zach, Fredrick, Connor, Cooper....ALL our top players played poorly against top teams.....hello Garrett

Dak Haters......

Look at Frederick get tossed

kskboys · May 9, 2020

QuincyCarterEra said:
Don't mind him. Don't give him or LilWillie the attention they crave.

To a T, you sound the same when discussing Zeke.

jaythecowboy · May 9, 2020

Section446 said:
Because they know he isn't a franchise QB. They've proven that they have no reservations paying players that they think are high-level players, he's just not one of them in their mind.

Lol, Zeke had to hold out till almost opening day to get paid. D Law had to play on one franchise tag and hold out for another one. So by your rationale the Cowboys don't think Zeke and D Law are high-level players either. Strange that they offered $105 million guaranteed to a guy they don't think is a franchise qb.

PAPPYDOG · May 9, 2020

Qcard said:
Wrong....nice try. Andy Dalton 1st 4 years had less success than Dak.
If you are right why hasn't Andy been named the starter....you claim we can get the same production.. you are a Dak Hater @CATCH17, though it's very weak Hate

Dak has a better winning percentage and playoff record..
Do you think Dak wins any of the 5 playoff games Dalton lost?

Face it .....our entire teams performance against good teams was pathetic..Zach, Fredrick, Connor, Cooper....ALL our top players played poorly against top teams.....hello Garrett

Dak Haters......

Look at Frederick get tossed

Interesting....look at his footwork as he drops back in this video.
Another reason why he is still a Tier 3 QB...

Section446 · May 9, 2020

jaythecowboy said:
Lol, Zeke had to hold out till almost opening day to get paid. D Law had to play on one franchise tag and hold out for another one. So by your rationale the Cowboys don't think Zeke and D Law are high-level players either. Strange that they offered $105 million guaranteed to a guy they don't think is a franchise qb.

Well, he's not a franchise QB.

JReed1000 · May 9, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
Dak is not or ever will be on the same talent level of ROMO....snap out of it man!!!

I thank Romo for winning us 2 Superbowls. That happened....in your mind maybe

charron · May 9, 2020

We have given our QB a ton of help. A top 10 OL at worst, RB who nearly had 3 consecutive rushing titles, 2 really good receivers hitting Over 1k yards and a 3rd that nearly hit 1k all in the same season. Now we've also seen him with 1 bad lineman. 3-3 without zeke, 8-8 when we had to lean on him passing for an entire season. On his rookie deal Dak is great but not for 35 million while we're also paying to keep that offense talented. Now we're having to rely on cheap guys on defense all playing above their pay grade in order to win. How likely is that? Take any number of average QB's and use the savings on 2 better starting cb's and watch us compete for championships.

Qcard · May 9, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
Interesting....look at his footwork as he drops back in this video.
Another reason why he is still a Tier 3 QB...

There is nothing wrong with footwork...3 step drop and got planted...

Dak Hater......did you even count the seconds before Dak got planted.
You have no concept of footwork and drop backs if you think there was an issue with Dak's mechanics...

Have you looked at Dalton's 32 year old footwork?

freemanjc19 · May 9, 2020

Section446 said:
And that's my primary issue with him, he hasn't progressed much since then.

I think his lack of progression may have to do with the old Coach and Coaching staff.

Polkton31 · May 9, 2020

Section446 said:
Well, he's not a franchise QB.

Ok, Maybe you missed my questions before... So, I'll ask them again. If the Cowboys don't think Dak is a franchise QB, then 1) Why did they use the exclusive franchise tag (valued at roughly $33 mil and making it so no other team could negotiate with him) instead of the non-exclusive franchise tag (valued at roughly $28 mil which would have allowed other teams to negotiate with him)? 2) Why haven't they rescinded the tag and just said Dalton is the new starting QB on a deal worth a maximum of $7 mil with only $3 mil guaranteed? :huh:

Section446 · May 9, 2020

Polkton31 said:
Ok, Maybe you missed my questions before... So, I'll ask them again. If the Cowboys don't think Dak is a franchise QB, then 1) Why did they use the exclusive franchise tag (valued at roughly $33 mil and making it so no other team could negotiate with him) instead of the non-exclusive franchise tag (valued at roughly $28 mil which would have allowed other teams to negotiate with him)? 2) Why haven't they rescinded the tag and just said Dalton is the new starting QB on a deal worth a maximum of $7 mil with only $3 mil guaranteed?

Sorry, I missed it before, my bad.
1. They've done a really poor job of planning and there's no denying, for this season, he is their best option. They have the cap space, why risk it? That doesn't mean they need to make a mistake and lock him in long-term... let him play under the tag, it's the best option for both parties.

2. Answer isn't dissimilar to the first answer, he's their best option, Dalton included. I've never said he was a bad QB, just average. Dak gets us to 9-7, we'd probably be 7-9 to 8-8 if Dalton started all 16 games.

3. Curious, where do you stand on signing him to a long-term deal? Let's say it's between $35-$40 million a year, are you comfortable with that?

Section446 · May 9, 2020

freemanjc19 said:
I think his lack of progression may have to do with the old Coach and Coaching staff.

Possibly, but a lot of his perceived flaws were there before Garrett.

Jake · May 9, 2020

QuincyCarterEra said:
This is why so many of us were frustrated when we didn't get a deal done last off-season.

Letting your below-average receiving RB force your hand to give him the largest contact in every facet two years before his contract is up, while simultaneously not extending your franchise QB was huge mistake. With MM's analytical approach we will hopefully have less of these ***** ups moving forward.

Good grief. No wonder I had you on ignore. Thanks for the reminder. :muttley:

Polkton31 · May 9, 2020

Section446 said:
Sorry, I missed it before, my bad.
1. They've done a really poor job of planning and there's no denying, for this season, he is their best option. They have the cap space, why risk it? That doesn't mean they need to make a mistake and lock him in long-term... let him play under the tag, it's the best option for both parties.

2. Answer isn't dissimilar to the first answer, he's their best option, Dalton included. I've never said he was a bad QB, just average. Dak gets us to 9-7, we'd probably be 7-9 to 8-8 if Dalton started all 16 games.

3. Curious, where do you stand on signing him to a long-term deal? Let's say it's between $35-$40 million a year, are you comfortable with that?

Thanks for the honest and straight-forward answer. In response to your question, I honestly don't think any QB is worth that kind of money. Unfortunately, that's about where the market is for a starting caliber QB thanks to some inflated deals handed out to other QBs. Do I think it will hurt the team? Quite possibly. I guess we need to see how the new CBA works out. However, I agree that Dak is clearly the best option at this point. If Dak holds out, I'm fine with Dalton taking over. If Dak plays on the tag, I'm ok with that also. Having said that, I would like to see a deal get done which is a compromise by both parties involved. If that means loading the deal with some incentives and or escape clauses, then do what needs to be done to finalize it.

Section446 · May 9, 2020

Polkton31 said:
Thanks for the honest and straight-forward answer. In response to your question, I honestly don't think any QB is worth that kind of money. Unfortunately, that's about where the market is for a starting caliber QB thanks to some inflated deals handed out to other QBs. Do I think it will hurt the team? Quite possibly. I guess we need to see how the new CBA works out. However, I agree that Dak is clearly the best option at this point. If Dak holds out, I'm fine with Dalton taking over. If Dak plays on the tag, I'm ok with that also. Having said that, I would like to see a deal get done which is a compromise by both parties involved. If that means loading the deal with some incentives and or escape clauses, then do what needs to be done to finalize it.

I actually agree with you, there are only a few QB's I'd pay that kind of money to, and Dak isn't one of them. I think that a guy like Dak needs a lot of talent around him to be successful, your ability to make that happen goes down if he's 20 percent of your cap. Good point on the new CBA though, that could change everything.

I wouldn't hate Dalton being the guy if Dak went down, in my kind they're somewhere in the same tier of QB, but I think Dak is the better option.

While I think its a bad idea for both parties, I've come to accept that we're stuck with the guy. With that being the case, I hope we're stuck with something that's team-friendly, a 4 year deal would not qualify as team-friendly.

Twitter: Great thread explaining Dak Situation

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There are no Dak haters just Cowboy lovers!!!

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