Twitter: Stephen Jones paying quarterbacks too much ‘decreases your chances to win’

Flamma

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It’s very interesting that Stephen is openly saying it to the media.

Everyone here knows I like Dak and think he is a good enough QB to win a title with. I don’t want to re-hash that here.

That being said I do sincerely hope the cowboys hold steady and get the salary cap friendliest deal possible. I don’t particularly care about AAV. I care about the guaranteed money and the ability of the team to spread out the cap charges to remain competitive.


All that being said. I really don’t think Andy Dalton is the answer and as I’ve said before. If they are going to move on from Dak I don’t just want a recycled scrub. They need to do it with a first round pick (even though it’s risky that they may end up busting too).

The main problem is that I see no chance of the cap hit being spread out to the Cowboys advantage. They let Dak play out his 4th year of his rookie contract. Since he was making so little in that year they could have dumped a boatload of signing bonus to that 4th year. That's not an option anymore.
 

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Imagine Todd France and Dak reading this. Oh the franchise tag at 32 million is a fine price. But 35 million at four years is “too much”. :laugh:

You guys aren’t getting it.

One the tag won’t be 32MM, it’s likely less.

Teo, the years are the big issue here. Dallas wants 5 for cap purposes. It would be in line with what Wentz and Goff got.
 

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Do you honestly think Dak can do anything without Zeke?

People seem to forget how bad Dak looked without Zeke in 2017..

Opposing teams have openly came out and said that their number one priority when facing the Cowboys is stoping Zeke..

Not Dak, Zeke.

See how many games Dak has "won" when Zeke doesn't rush for more than 100 yards in a game.

If teams focus on Zeke, by default, the passing lanes will open up.

Do some of you guys even understand basic football concepts?

You might say that any RB can have success with our O line but what makes Zeke worth his money is that he's a complete back..

Pollard may be a little bit faster, but run him all game and by the third quarter he'll be worn out.

There's a reason why guys like Marion Barber and Pollard can't be Bell Cows like Zeke.

Not to mention, Zeke can run routes, catch the ball and he's a good blocker also..

You'll need three diffrent RBs just to replace Zeke and what he does and even then, deffences will know exactly what to expect from them just like when Lance Dumbar was in the game.

Zeke is literally a nightmare for defenses and here you are pooping on him SMH

All the while, propping up other mediocre players that live off of Zeke's coat tails..

Crazy stuff.
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I don't agree with you on what Dak is, but I've never been in the blank check category either. If you could sign one person that would all but guarantee a Superbowl win, then by all means give them whatever they want. I don't think any QB does that.

I'd sooner write a blank check for coaches. I'm convinced having world class coaches will win more games than anything else.
 

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No problem without Zeke. He was basically without Zeke the first half of the year. Dak no longer needs Zeke. Its clear he has come of age and the passing game is now the strength of this team.

2017? Dak's 2nd year in the league and it was more the Oline falling apart than anything else. Dak was 4-3 without Zeke. He's in his 5th year now and is the leader of this offense. This is Daks' team.

Give me Pollard and another good back and Zeke will never be missed.

Zeke is no nightmare at all. When was the last game he actually looked unstoppable? Guy can barely run the ball more than 15 yards.
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While the board has some good conversations this morning referencing things Stephen told Florio, I'm not seeing any talk about, what I thought, was arguably the most compelling comment made, albeit one that mostly affirms from the DAL FO what many of us already thought to be the case...



... ie, might as well shut down the whole "when is Dak gonna get signed?!?!?!?" discussion, and be content to wake up sometime in July when it's actually a viable topic again.

(NOT that my inner cynic thinks there's a chance in hell that shut down is gonna happen, of course. :D )


(Just a thought... while I appreciate the occasional desire to consolidate comments, if we're going to consolidate, I think it would only be appropriate then to go so far as to re-title the thread to reflect the larger discussion... the timing is its own standalone aspect of the Dak situation... but maybe that's just me.)
 

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The Boys over pay for Lawrence, Elliott and Cooper, Now Jerry and Stephen are learning their math, lol.
You Don't over pay early than suffer the consequences later.
These guys think the salary cap is just a bad rumor.
Lawrence was a poor decision. I wouldn’t have given him that much coin.
 

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The main problem is that I see no chance of the cap hit being spread out to the Cowboys advantage. They let Dak play out his 4th year of his rookie contract. Since he was making so little in that year they could have dumped a boatload of signing bonus to that 4th year. That's not an option anymore.


It’s one of the reasons a bunch of us wanted the extension to happen last year and kept arguing over and over again it was the smart thing to do over the “let him play his contract out and prove himself” crowd
 

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About $20 - $25 million a year less...

Not that I agreed with Zeke's contract either though.
Pretty sure they are already offering at least 33-35 per year for 5 years.
But Dak wants a bit more and/or wants the same guaranteed money Cowboys are offering for 5 years, in a 4 year deal.
 

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Brother let's be logical here and take the emotion out of any argument ( i m saying it as in general not directing to you) .So all of us in here and most fan want this club to do better and win a SB...... it has been a long time...there are many sides to be blamed for this mediocrity fr sure.... management coaches players etc...
so if someone have a different take on a player it does not mean they hate the guy they just have a different point of view on the case.We are all guilty of such reaction and i am the first to admit it of letting out emotion get involved.,
Now if someone saying nonsense i just move on and ignore it

much respect
Brother!!! I am dealing with the Dak Haters on a level worthy of their illogical position.

I don't have to go down memory lane. Dak Haters have proven their illogical stance is rooted in some QB whisperer eye test that is only quantifiable in "the game I watch" or "my experience" ignoring all standard QB metrics/ stats in which Dak is improved or Superior.

The Goal post has been moved from Day One!

Now, there are many genuine Cowboy fans whom just don't like Dak's playing style. That is fair those are NOT Dak Haters because most fans respect Dak's stats, leadership and off-field character.

Dak Haters have invented Dink and Dak, Bus Driver ..... conveniently ignore W/L record, only look at 2019 w/L, downgrade wins and blame entire losses on Dak.

Dak Haters are a disease in Cowboy Family.

It must be eradicated B.r.o.t.h.e.r!!!!:confused::mad::muttley:
 

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Just a guess
  • Dak is asking for 145-160 mil over 4 years with 110 guaranteed.
  • Dallas is offering 165-180 mil over 5 years with 110 guaranteed.
 

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Brother!!! I am dealing with the Dak Haters on a level worthy of their illogical position.

I don't have to go down memory lane. Dak Haters have proven their illogical stance is rooted in some QB whisperer eye test that is only quantifiable in "the game I watch" or "my experience" ignoring all standard QB metrics/ stats in which Dak is improved or Superior.

The Goal post has been moved from Day One!

Now, there are many genuine Cowboy fans whom just don't like Dak's playing style. That is fair those are NOT Dak Haters because most fans respect Dak's stats, leadership and off-field character.

Dak Haters have invented Dink and Dak, Bus Driver ..... conveniently ignore W/L record, only look at 2019 w/L, downgrade wins and blame entire losses on Dak.

Dak Haters are a disease in Cowboy Family.

It must be eradicated B.r.o.t.h.e.r!!!!:confused::mad::muttley:
We will always be here because we love the Cowboys.

Its you Dak sloppers who have a short shelf life.
 

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We will always be here because we love the Cowboys.

Its you Dak sloppers who have a short shelf life.
I have no doubt you and we all love the Cowboys.

We just have to cure you.. it's ok!
 

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Brother!!! I am dealing with the Dak Haters on a level worthy of their illogical position.

I don't have to go down memory lane. Dak Haters have proven their illogical stance is rooted in some QB whisperer eye test that is only quantifiable in "the game I watch" or "my experience" ignoring all standard QB metrics/ stats in which Dak is improved or Superior.

The Goal post has been moved from Day One!

Now, there are many genuine Cowboy fans whom just don't like Dak's playing style. That is fair those are NOT Dak Haters because most fans respect Dak's stats, leadership and off-field character.

Dak Haters have invented Dink and Dak, Bus Driver ..... conveniently ignore W/L record, only look at 2019 w/L, downgrade wins and blame entire losses on Dak.

Dak Haters are a disease in Cowboy Family.

It must be eradicated B.r.o.t.h.e.r!!!!:confused::mad::muttley:

You shouldn’t have to use stats and metrics to prove that a player is what you say he is.

The numbers can lie and you don’t have to be completely stubborn to them because people can bend numbers and make them dance whatever dance they like.

Ive never needed stats to know the guys like Peyton Manning is a great player.

Eli Manning would fall in the Dak category of a guy that fans would need to defend with stats because what you see on the Televsion isn’t all that great.

I can watch Patrick Mahomes play and I don’t need a stat to tell me he is a rare player.

The best players don’t need this type of statistical defending.. Guys like Dak do.

Most of these guys have numbers that are so similar that you’d have to be extremely biased to ignore the situations other QBs play in.
 

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I'm glad Stephen clearly pointed out what some still seem to overlook.
It is not at all about Jerry trying to save money.
The money will be spent. It's just how it is divided.

Dak is going to get a massive deal. But just how massive (or record-breaking) will it be is the question.
 

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You shouldn’t have to use stats and metrics to prove that a player is what you say he is.

The numbers can lie and you don’t have to be completely stubborn to them because people can bend numbers and make them dance whatever dance they like.

Ive never needed stats to know the guys like Peyton Manning is a great player.

Eli Manning would fall in the Dak category of a guy that fans would need to defend with stats because what you see on the Televsion isn’t all that great.

I can watch Patrick Mahomes play and I don’t need a stat to tell me he is a rare player.

The best players don’t need this type of statistical defending.. Guys like Dak do.

Most of these guys have numbers that are so similar that you’d have to be extremely biased to ignore the situations other QBs play in.

"Triple Like to Infinity score, Alex".
 
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