News: Details Emerge From The Cowboys Current Offer To Prescott

gimmesix

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I agree but the amount you left on the table is a bit excessive in my opinion. Ask yourself why Dak would take 37m in the 1st 2 years of his deal under your scenario when he will get 31m being tagged this year and at least 40m if the Cowboys had to tag him again next year?

Because he would be guaranteed $106 million over five years. If players are willing to play under the tag, they actually can make more money, but most players want the long-term assurance of money. If he plays on the fully guaranteed $31 million tag and something happens like a career-ending injury, then he loses $75 million in guaranteed money (under the supposedly proposed contract).

Again, you need to only pay attention to the guaranteed money, that's what it is all about. Again, Elliott didn't agree to a $90 million contract expecting to receive $90 million. He agreed to a $90 million contract knowing that he would receive $50 million. A lot of fans want to look at that $90 million and it's average of $15 million per year, but that's not what it is about. Carson Wentz isn't making $32 million per year and Dak won't be making $35 million per year ... unless he wins on getting a short-term deal that forces all the money up front.

Now, it's possible that Dak, like Russell Wilson, could receive a higher signing bonus (Wilson got $65 million). If so, those first few years would go up some, but still wouldn't meet the APY of the contract. Wilson's APY is $35 million. He only begins making that much in the fourth year ($37 million), at which time Seattle could cut him and save $11 million. If they did that, his real APY would have been 28.8, slightly higher than his total guaranteed. (Most likely this is the contract Dak's representatives are most trying to emulate. I think Dallas wants a lower bonus and higher payout of funny money at the end, keeping his contract around an average of $25 million or below per year those first four years.)
 

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Greedy? Depends. I feel he has every right to be greedy just like any other person in this world. As a fan? Of course I want him to sign a favorable deal. As a human being? I can't call you greedy if you are asking for what you feel you are worth and what you feel you can get paid. The employer always has the opportunity to #dontpaydak lol.

Hey can't argue this.

#DontpayDak
 

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His game is not up to that contract. Say whatever you want.

With that money Dak cant play like he did last year against good teams. Period.
 

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His game is not up to that contract. Say whatever you want.

With that money Dak cant play like he did last year against good teams. Period.
And you feel if you give him that contract he will play like he did last year as opposed to the previous 3 years when he beat winning teams at over a 50% winning percentage?
 

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$35 mill a year and over $100 million guaranteed and the dude is saying "nah, not good enough".:omg:

Seriously, is there anybody on this board that thinks Dak is worth this type of coin? Being the highest paid player in the history of the entire NFL?

Dude has one playoff win...………..ONE PLAYOFF WIN!!!!!

I'm sorry, but Dak is not worth this much, he just aint. I like the guy, have his jersey I wear on gamedays, but no way in hell am I making Dak the highest paid player in the history of the league. Call me hater all you want, but dude aint worth it.
90% of the fanbase feels this way!
 

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This isn't true. Values don't always rise and markets reset. The example of housing, was not mine. I didn't introduce it. I'm simply pointing out the issue associated with it.

If the NFL market values don't rise every year why then do the price of contracts go up every year? Why aren't the salaries the same amounts they were in 2010 or 1999 or pick any year you want? As I've said market values continue to rise every year. The exception is when a player is on his downward side of his career and even those are higher every year. What a player that is going to be reduced to a backup player today makes more than one under the same situations made in 2015 or 2010 or 1999 or any year. Honestly, I can think of how the market value has dropped. There was a time when after the QB the RB was the highest paid position and that feel off but it think it's more of a cycle type thing because RB's are again the past few years making more money again. They probably won't ever be the 2nd highest paid position again but that's mostly because the league has turned into a passing league. But the market value for plays as a whole rises every year.
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Because he would be guaranteed $106 million over five years. If players are willing to play under the tag, they actually can make more money, but most players want the long-term assurance of money. If he plays on the fully guaranteed $31 million tag and something happens like a career-ending injury, then he loses $75 million in guaranteed money (under the supposedly proposed contract).

Again, you need to only pay attention to the guaranteed money, that's what it is all about. Again, Elliott didn't agree to a $90 million contract expecting to receive $90 million. He agreed to a $90 million contract knowing that he would receive $50 million. A lot of fans want to look at that $90 million and it's average of $15 million per year, but that's not what it is about. Carson Wentz isn't making $32 million per year and Dak won't be making $35 million per year ... unless he wins on getting a short-term deal that forces all the money up front.

Now, it's possible that Dak, like Russell Wilson, could receive a higher signing bonus (Wilson got $65 million). If so, those first few years would go up some, but still wouldn't meet the APY of the contract. Wilson's APY is $35 million. He only begins making that much in the fourth year ($37 million), at which time Seattle could cut him and save $11 million. If they did that, his real APY would have been 28.8, slightly higher than his total guaranteed. (Most likely this is the contract Dak's representatives are most trying to emulate. I think Dallas wants a lower bonus and higher payout of funny money at the end, keeping his contract around an average of $25 million or below per year those first four years.)

I know how guaranteed money works but they still have to account for the total value of the deal over the 5 years. No matter how much is guaranteed Dak would never sign a deal that says or gives him 25m per season on average over the 1st 4 years (pays his guarantee i know) with a 5th year for 65m, it will never ever happen like that, no contract does
 

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That's not going to happen.
He is making 31.4 GTD this year. 39 next year.
He's not going to accept less than 30 AAV.

You really think he is going to accept Ryan Tannehill MONEY?
RT got 4 years 29.5M AAV. 62m GTD.

Tannehill is making $22.5 million this year, $29.5 in 2021 and could be cut in 2022 with $10 million in dead money but $24 million in cap savings. His APY could easily end up being 20.6 million. The $29 million in salary for 2022 (most of which isn't guaranteed) and $27 base in 2023, to go with that $10 million bonuses that's guaranteed, inflate the APY.

Dak's overall APY will definitely be higher than Tannehill's, though.
 

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I’m fine with giving Dak a 4 year contract, but if we give him that, he’s gotta give some and come down on the per year money.

Say something like 4 years for $132 million.

He gets the short contract he wants, Cowboys Dave a couple million per year.

I think he want the 4 year + 106 GTD
 

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So if Gurley lead the league in rushing last year do they cut him this offseason?
Maybe if they didn’t think he’d recover fully from his injury which is most likely what his release was more about , not his talent level. Remember Gurley came into the league overcoming major injury. My hunch is he’s probably done playing at the level he was.
 

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IMO they need to hold firm at 35. He's not Patrick Mahommes. He's not Joe Montana. He's a good, but not great, QB. If he won't accept 35, start Dalton and deal with it.

isnt it amazing, now were at 35, remember about 6 months ago we couldnt fathom over 30 and now 35 is acceptable....just shows how imporant the qb position is right?
 

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IMO they need to hold firm at 35. He's not Patrick Mahommes. He's not Joe Montana. He's a good, but not great, QB. If he won't accept 35, start Dalton and deal with it.
Yea , cause it’s like not Dak was elevating us to the next level with his arm . A solid QB with enough supporting cast.

I’d be open to keeping him in as a backup. Kid has some game. But not an Elite passer.
 
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You just hate it when people disagree with your "football knowledge" :laugh: i got some news for you, your a smart guy but your knowledge isn't always spot on, it's just what you believe!
I think you might have said this to me one other team...I really don't think highly of my football knowledge. I'm just as knowledgeable as I feel everyone on this site is. My issue with you here is I personally feel you are arguing with me just to argue lol. I don't believe Goff's contract was why Gurley was cut. Just don't.
 

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Maybe if they didn’t think he’d recover fully from his injury which is most likely what his release was more about , not his talent level. Remember Gurley came into the league overcoming major injury. My hunch is he’s probably done playing at the level he was.
Understood. But my point was Goff's contract didn't get Gurley cut.
 
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