NFL Passing Leaders In 2019 Without Garbage Time

DFWJC · May 11, 2020

rocyaice said:
No. I disagree. The game is still in jeopardy if you are down 10. Especially midway through the 4th. Even though its not logical.....with 2 minutes left in the game down 10 points.........there's an argument even that's still a game that's not won yet.

That may be true, but unless you watch each game, you can't tell when teams go into prevent.
Everyone is different.
Doesn't matter to me either way though

I think it works both way. Some teams really lay it on awful teams even when they've already buried them. So it could be trailing ro with a lead.
Would be hard to measure with a coverall stat though.

TheMarathonContinues · May 11, 2020

ChronicCowboy said:
So what was the point? Wasting everyone’s time like you usually do with your Dak obsession?

Like I told you earlier......no offense but this thread isn't for you. Not even being funny but I'm not sure if you are capable of grasping it even if I told you.

TheMarathonContinues · May 11, 2020

DFWJC said:
That may be true, but unless you watch each game, you can't tell when teams go into prevent.
Every one is different.
Doesn't matter to me either way though

You are correct and I admitted as much. I didn't create this list. "Garbage time" is a flawed term in itself. It depends on when you consider the game out of reach. To me no mater what the score is I can't consider a game in the 3rd quarter out of reach. Maybe down 28? But if the Cowboys were up 28 by anyone I wouldn't feel comfortable until we were into that 4th quarter.

gjkoeppen · May 11, 2020

rocyaice said:
Never seen anyone call him a top 5 quarterback.....news to me.

It depends what you're looking at. Prescott was number 2 on passing yards. I don't think that is all inclusive on Prescott's ranking but some can point to that.
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GMO415 · May 11, 2020

No matter what positive facts you provide Dak haters, they will still hate on the guy.

CowboysFaninHouston · May 11, 2020

rocyaice said:
Don't you guys hate when people try to boost up how well a quarterback played especially when they have all those "garbage time" yards in them? Let's see what it looks like if you take out all of those garbage time yards out of it.

DFWJC said:
I'm in Dak's corner, but come on.
Talk about a massively broad definition of garbage time.
DOWN 21 POINTS OR MORE?
Holy .....

you notice it includes wilson, jackson and mahomes too. so its counting the same for all. they can probably do the same for 14 points, but then that's within two scores and its a reachable to make comebacks....maybe yards in the 4th, when down by two scores...but then again, you don't quit with 15 minutes to go and down two scores...how about down by two scores and 7.5 minutes to go....but do you quit then?...

TheMarathonContinues · May 11, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
It depends what you're looking at. Prescott was number 2 on passing yards. I don't think that is all inclusive on Prescott's ranking but some can point to that.
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Not at all. I think Jameis Winston kind of killed any argument where people wanted to use passing yards exclusively in a argument.

CowboysFaninHouston · May 11, 2020

Established1971 said:
yeah so Dak had a ton of yards when the team was stuck being down between 10 and 20 points I suppose
8-8 was more coaching and defense but these worshippers need to give him some of the blame for the 8-8

but then again garrett and company had history of going into the last game of the season, with everything on the line and then losing it....its what he has done best, coach the team down during critical times and critical games.

yeah, lets forget about garrett's incompetence, because it doesn't fit the dak detractors agenda

CowboysRule · May 11, 2020

I don't hate Dak. I don't think he is deserving of the contract he is demanding. Simple as that.

CowboysFaninHouston · May 11, 2020

Ranching said:
Winston is now backup?

30 interceptions tend to do that to you...throwing that many consistently points to a problem.....

TheMarathonContinues · May 11, 2020

CowboysFaninHouston said:
30 interceptions tend to do that to you...throwing that many consistently points to a problem.....

And that's thing about Winston. People want to use him as a example that stats don't mean anything but you can't bring up any stat without mentioning his 30 interceptions first. Mind you they won 7 games. Had he threw half of them it makes you wonder what their record would've been.

gjkoeppen · May 11, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
The Packers were ahead 31-3 (in your own trolling above you literally said a game is over if you're down 28 points) and their win probability was 99% at the time. You can't even get your own trolling down.

Here's an example for you. The Cowboys were ahead of the packers and the Cowboys fans were all excited especially when Rodgers hurt and their backup had to play. At halftime it was 26-3 and a rookie backup QB got just 3 points. The final score was packers 37 Cowboys 36. So I guess the entire 2nd half would be considered garbage time when Flynn was doing what Prescott keeps doing and trying to win the game. That was 2013 but I'll guess you'll still blame Prescott for that.
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Swagger · May 11, 2020

What constitutes "garbage time" is subjective. My interpretation is that it's points scored and yards accrued when a game has effectively been lost. The reality was that many games had already been lost before the 4th quarter and even during the third quarter without needing the high threshold of 21+ points.

Further, the counter argument against the opening post, which was only based on last season, is that Prescott/Cowboys didn't win a single game when trailing by ten points. So all those games where Prescott scored points and threw for a bunch of yards in games the Cowboys trailed by 10 points or more were...lost.

If it pleases people in future I will just state that Dak Prescott threw a bunch of yards and put up points in games that were already lost causes (partly due to his own play) and eventually were lost. Opposing teams were already chewing up the clock on offense, playing field position, happy to give up easy 8-10 yard completions in prevent defense mode to just waste time.

Far easier to just state garbage time as a collective term but if people want to be pedantic then so be it.

gjkoeppen · May 11, 2020

rocyaice said:
Not at all. I think Jameis Winston kind of killed any argument where people wanted to use passing yards exclusively in a argument.

I didn't mean all QB's, but those that are for Prescott could use that stat as answering if Prescott was a top 5 QB. Yes, that stat doesn't mean anything with a lot of QB's.
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ScipioCowboy · May 11, 2020

rocyaice said:
So down 14 you believe should've been the criteria? Even though stats say the game isn't out of reach down 14?

Let’s be honest. “Garbage time” is a weasel phrase people toss up when they want to discount something. Would you rather your QB just kneel on the ball when you perceive the game is out of reach?

ondaedg · May 11, 2020

weaver21 said:
I've never seen a fanbase so split on a player in my entire life. Not even Romo was this bad. You can't even debate with people anymore on Dak because the "haters" are calling him a scrub and the "lovers" are calling him a top 5 quarterback. There's no medium when discussing Dak. People are so desperate to prove their point, regardless if it's defending him or criticizing him.

Completely disagree with half your post. Few if any Dak supporters would say he is better right now than Rodgers, Brees, Wilson or Watson. Is he competitive with them? Absolutely. And noone is saying he's better than Mahomes. But the Dak haters calling him a backup or not even top 20 is mind bogglingly stupid, assinine, ludicrous and reflects a disassociation from reality and is more trolling than sharing opinions.

There is definitely a medium when you block out the crazy agendas.

TheMarathonContinues · May 11, 2020

ondaedg said:
Completely disagree with half your post. Few if any Dak supporters would say he is better right now than Rodgers, Brees, Wilson or Watson. Is he competitive with them? Absolutely. And noone is saying he's better than Mahomes. But the Dak haters calling him a backup or not even top 20 is mind bogglingly stupid, assinine, ludicrous and reflects a disassociation from reality and is more trolling than sharing opinions.

There is definitely a medium when you block out the crazy agendas.

Right.....

Mr_Strol · May 11, 2020

ChronicCowboy said:
Mahomes missed several games due to injury.

What does that have to do with Dak being higher on this list?

Super_Kazuya · May 11, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
Here's an example for you. The Cowboys were ahead of the packers and the Cowboys fans were all excited especially when Rodgers hurt and their backup had to play. At halftime it was 26-3 and a rookie backup QB got just 3 points. The final score was packers 37 Cowboys 36. So I guess the entire 2nd half would be considered garbage time when Flynn was doing what Prescott keeps doing and trying to win the game. That was 2013 but I'll guess you'll still blame Prescott for that.
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It doesn't change anything. Garbage time is not about whether you give up or not, it's about what the defense is doing. The Cowboys actually took garbage time to the extreme in that game... the Packers had I believe 5 TD drives in the second half and three of them were 80 yard drives. Even with that, the Cowboys allowing Flynn and the Packers to march up and down the field with minimal resistance would have worked if Garrett and Romo had managed the clock better.

CowboyRoy · May 11, 2020

DFWJC said:
I'm in Dak's corner, but come on.
Talk about a massively broad definition of garbage time.
DOWN 21 POINTS OR MORE?
Holy .....

Garbage time is pretty much the 4th quarter if the other team is up by 2 TD's or more and they are in prevent.

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