NFL Passing Leaders In 2019 Without Garbage Time

ABQCOWBOY · May 11, 2020

Not nearly as much as I do people who try and overstate the importance of statistics associated with individual numbers, with relation to winning. For example, the top 3 QBs on this chart didn't make the playoffs and 4 of the top 6, same deal.

The point of the game is to win. It's not to throw for the most yards.

gjkoeppen · May 11, 2020

Super_Kazuya said:
It doesn't change anything. Garbage time is not about whether you give up or not, it's about what the defense is doing. The Cowboys actually took garbage time to the extreme in that game... the Packers had I believe 5 TD drives in the second half and three of them were 80 yard drives. Even with that, the Cowboys allowing Flynn and the Packers to march up and down the field with minimal resistance would have worked if Garret and Romo had managed the clock better.

All you've done is try to change the idea that when a team is down by in this case 23 points that all the passing yards while the losing QB is trying to win is considered garbage time yards and making my point that as long as the QB is trying to win they are not garbage time passing yards. There are a number of reasons that the packers won that game. One as you pointed out the defense took the 2nd half off, Also Romo threw to 4th quarter picks and on 2 of those 80 yard drives of the packers getting a 23 yard PI penalty on 3rd down on one and a face mask penalty on a stopped 3rd down that gave them a 1st and 15 yards kept those 2 drives alive. At the end of the game the Cowboys still lead in time of possession and total yards with means they were trying to chew up the clock limiting the time the packers had to come back.

It doesn't change the fact that as long as a QB is trying to score and make a comeback those passing yards are not garbage time passing yards and when some here try to say Prescott had all of these garbage time yards the defenses on thise teams could have gone to sleep just like the Cowboys defense in that game.
.

McKDaddy · May 11, 2020

With all due respect to everyone, no one has these debates about great QB's. Everyone, no matter their team affiliation, can watch Mahomes, Rodgers, Brady, Brees, Elway, Marino, etc. and instantly know they are watching a great player.

weaver21 · May 11, 2020

ondaedg said:
Completely disagree with half your post. Few if any Dak supporters would say he is better right now than Rodgers, Brees, Wilson or Watson. Is he competitive with them? Absolutely. And noone is saying he's better than Mahomes. But the Dak haters calling him a backup or not even top 20 is mind bogglingly stupid, assinine, ludicrous and reflects a disassociation from reality and is more trolling than sharing opinions.

There is definitely a medium when you block out the crazy agendas.

Agree to disagree then. The evidence of this is on this forum with the countless Dak threads. The guy is asking to be the highest paid player in the game and has one playoff win to his resume. I can understand some fans being upset at that notion. Me personally, I think it's all overblown considering Watson and Mahomes will overtake him anyway for that spot so it's irrelevant. Dak is a top 10 quarterback and deserves to get paid. Everything he's doing is what anyone would do in his position which is to set himself up financially for now and also the future. He wants to get paid the most money while he's still in his prime. But like I said, I can understand the outrage from some fans when they hear he wants to be the top paid player in the game.

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country · May 11, 2020

Qcard said:
Dude we are killing these Dak Haters

All their knocks on Dak are being knocked down like flat Earth science

The earth is flat. Go lay a marble on the ground outside and see what it does.
:popcorn:

weaver21 · May 11, 2020

rocyaice said:
Never seen anyone call him a top 5 quarterback.....news to me.

Maybe not on here, but I've certainly seen and talked to Cowboys fans who have listed him as a top 5 quarterback, especially after his year last year. But that's the whole point about people being upset when they see him asking to be the top paid quarterback in the league. Is he top 5? No he's not. Hence why fans are upset at him asking for such money. It's the market and Dak has to reset it by wanting more money than Wentz or Goff and he's totally in the right to ask for 35+ million. The people who defend Dak all the time need to understand why people would be upset at seeing him ask for that type of money when in their eyes they feel like he hasn't earned it.

Redball Express · May 11, 2020

ondaedg said:
Next you'll need a chart to show Dak's "eyeball test" ranking.

I would wait until he gets more tats.

He still needs his scrotum done, inside his butt cheeks and inside his nostrils.

aikemirv · May 11, 2020

I love made up new stats with no objective measure.

InTheZone · May 11, 2020

Garbage time is when every dak defender sits silent in the game day threads while the offense looks like the worst in the league, then Dak finally hits a receiver in stride in the 4th quarter and they're all like "CLUTCH!".

TheMarathonContinues · May 11, 2020

weaver21 said:
Maybe not on here, but I've certainly seen and talked to Cowboys fans who have listed him as a top 5 quarterback, especially after his year last year. But that's the whole point about people being upset when they see him asking to be the top paid quarterback in the league. Is he top 5? No he's not. Hence why fans are upset at him asking for such money. It's the market and Dak has to reset it by wanting more money than Wentz or Goff and he's totally in the right to ask for 35+ million. The people who defend Dak all the time need to understand why people would be upset at seeing him ask for that type of money when in their eyes they feel like he hasn't earned it.

Well understand when you ask for money you don't ask for money based on where you are at. You ask for money based on where you will be. If the Eagles paid Carson Wentz based on what he was they would've given him 15 million.

TheMarathonContinues · May 11, 2020

InTheZone said:
Garbage time is when every dak defender sits silent in the game day threads while the offense looks like the worst in the league, then Dak finally hits a receiver in stride in the 4th quarter and they're all like "CLUTCH!".

Except you are creating this scenario. This goes back to people saying you can't have a civil conversation on this site. So much extremes, hyperbole and flat out lies.

blueblood70 · May 11, 2020

rocyaice said:
Don't you guys hate when people try to boost up how well a quarterback played especially when they have all those "garbage time" yards in them? Let's see what it looks like if you take out all of those garbage time yards out of it.

not sure how this can be accurate at all.. I mean what part if the game were they down 21? I mean Mahomes was down by 17 and 21 early in the games and came back by half time, hows that garbage time yards, that skill buddy to beat playoff teams after being down by that much..

the Garbage time narrative is hard to prove, I rather look at how QBs played against the better teams and better defenses that more accurate.. if qb comes back from 21 down to get within 10 or 7 points or less thats not garbage time as its a game they nearly won, in a lot of cases there are wins in there arent there?

Not legitimate in any way..you play 60mins until the clock reads zero and if you gave your team shot and nearly compete d a comeback, thats not garbage time..typical garbage time for me is when the final score is 2-3 scores but the last few drives you saw a lot prevent and put a lot of yards up and few scores but still cost by 10 or more points..

WillieBeamen · May 11, 2020

InTheZone said:
Garbage time is when every dak defender sits silent in the game day threads while the offense looks like the worst in the league, then Dak finally hits a receiver in stride in the 4th quarter and they're all like "CLUTCH!".

ChronicCowboy · May 11, 2020

Mr_Strol said:
What does that have to do with Dak being higher on this list?

Dak threw the ball 112 more times than Mahomes last season.

Runwildboys · May 11, 2020

MarcusRock said:
This thread's going to go where it's going to go but are they contending that garbage time is down by 21 at the end of the game or at any point of the game? Just thinking off the top of my head, weren't we down by 21 against GB in the playoffs before we came all the way back? And wasn't KC down by 21 to Houston in the playoffs last season? It's not garbage time when it happens early in the game and you have to throw to get back in the game. Some teams do mount comebacks.

I always assumed garbage time was only when you lost.

pentatwirl · May 11, 2020

Sigh...

TheMarathonContinues · May 11, 2020

Runwildboys said:
I always assumed garbage time was only when you lost.

You may be correct. I think its because when you are up big the opposing team is still trying to get back into the game.

Super_Kazuya · May 11, 2020

gjkoeppen said:
All you've done is try to change the idea that when a team is down by in this case 23 points that all the passing yards while the losing QB is trying to win is considered garbage time yards and making my point that as long as the QB is trying to win they are not garbage time passing yards. There are a number of reasons that the packers won that game. One as you pointed out the defense took the 2nd half off, Also Romo threw to 4th quarter picks and on 2 of those 80 yard drives of the packers getting a 23 yard PI penalty on 3rd down on one and a face mask penalty on a stopped 3rd down that gave them a 1st and 15 yards kept those 2 drives alive. At the end of the game the Cowboys still lead in time of possession and total yards with means they were trying to chew up the clock limiting the time the packers had to come back.

It doesn't change the fact that as long as a QB is trying to score and make a comeback those passing yards are not garbage time passing yards and when some here try to say Prescott had all of these garbage time yards the defenses on thise teams could have gone to sleep just like the Cowboys defense in that game.
.

All this proves is that you're not good at reading. If the defense is more concerned about the clock than what you are doing, then it's garbage time. Whether that's a good strategy for them or not is irrelevant. You couldn't be more confused (and wrong).

gimmesix · May 11, 2020

rocyaice said:
Don't you guys hate when people try to boost up how well a quarterback played especially when they have all those "garbage time" yards in them? Let's see what it looks like if you take out all of those garbage time yards out of it.

I'm not sure if Winston and Rivers being two of the top three quarterbacks validates this statistical category.

TheMarathonContinues · May 11, 2020

gimmesix said:
I'm not sure if Winston and Rivers being two of the top three quarterbacks validates this statistical category.

What do you feel it was suppose to validate? This thread was more so created to debunk the whole "garbage time" lie people keep putting on him.

NFL Passing Leaders In 2019 Without Garbage Time

Regular Joe....

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

All Aboard!!!

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

BoysfanfromNY

Well-Known Member

Confused about stuff

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Well-Known Member

Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life

Well-Known Member