NFL Passing Leaders In 2019 Without Garbage Time

Dre11

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Shame Garrett cost them that game. Dak and Amari did some special things that game.

You mean Conner Williams blown assignment blew that game. Zeke may score if he holds his combo block with Frederick like it was drawn up on 3rd down. Also, I'm going to point a negative Dak play on that series as well, he has Cobb on the 4th for a first or Td if he doesn't come off him too early. Bob strum does a great breakdown on it in the Athletic.
 

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Why wouldn't he be at the top of this list? He had 30 Touchdowns 5100 and 30 picks. You don't think anyone that threw it all game long would be leading this stat?
The numbers look appealing, but we all know Winston is not even a top 10 QB . Don’t you agree ? Which means these stats can be deceptive . These stats can be gotten via a team’s system of play . You must have heard the term of a System QB , where any decent QB who executes can produce great numbers . But these QBs usually fizzle when they meet top notch defenses .
 

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Shame Garrett cost them that game. Dak and Amari did some special things that game.

From Bob Strum:

4Q – 1:06 – 3rd-and-2

This one actually is an RPO, and while I am not showing you the wide view, I did not see anything that suggested the QB made a poor decision here. The Cowboys have the blocking numbers here and should be able to get three yards wide as Smith-Williams-Frederick are in a spot to take care of three Vikings, leaving Zeke to fall forward and move the chains. Unfortunately, the Cowboys blow a block on 95-Odenigbo. This is supposed to be a combo block where Williams helps Frederick get to him before Williams leaves to handle 54-Kendricks. 95 is lined up over the LG for this very reason and, as you saw on second down, he will then occupy both guys and let the linebacker run free, so there is a real game of cat and mouse here. Connor doesn’t get enough of him, and Frederick can’t recover. Therefore, nobody gets the most important man well enough, and he ends the play himself. By the way, watch 55-Barr as he is sitting on the backside slant and any ideas Prescott has on keeping it. He never even moves. Clearly, the bust here is with your center and left guard, but even if Frederick gets 95, Zeke will try to cut back right into the teeth of the linebackers. Williams has to stay with Odenigbo longer and let Zeke try to run over Kendricks himself if need be. This one is very frustrating because they have a good call here and a good look. This one leaves the biggest mark.


4Q – 0:44 – 4th-and-5

This is an interesting play and one where I would prefer Dak makes a different choice. Randall Cobb looks most appealing to me on the front side in the slot, and he was making every play the entire evening when the Vikings started focusing all of their safety help on Amari Cooper. The top highlight is Cobb, and the bottom one is Elliott. I don’t think Elliott is a very good receiver in the slot in tight spaces and doesn’t set up his route very well with any sort of leaning on his man. There is very little to throw at here, but Prescott obviously has to try something. Troy Aikman was on The Ticket Tuesday morning and appeared to agree that Cobb is a better option but then pointed out that the flow of the safeties right into Cobb and Cooper tells a quarterback to get off that and throw away from the safeties. In other words, once he sees both safeties headed in Cobb’s direction, there isn’t time to see that one is actually headed to Witten and the other to Cooper. So staying on Cobb might have been a complete guess that they were not baiting him into thinking Cobb was single-covered. If Prescott can just give it another look, it is there. But I guess that is easy to say from here.
 

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The numbers look appealing, but we all know Winston is not even a top 10 QB . Don’t you agree ? Which means these stats can be deceptive . These stats can be gotten via a team’s system of play . You must have heard the term of a System QB , where any decent QB who executes can produce great numbers . But these QBs usually fizzle when they meet top notch defenses .
System qb? Never heard of it.
 

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Wait. Mahomes didn't pass for a single yard in "garbage time"? One of the top offenses in the league never gained a yard passing in "garbage time"? A team that averaged 9 points more than their opposition never gained a passing yard in garbage time?

And how does Mahomes have more yards credited to him than he actually threw for?

PFR, ESPN, and Chiefs.com all show him having 4031 total passing yards. This graphic has him at 4249.
 

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Right. And it happens. Granted there's no correct way to tell what exactly "Garbage time" is. Even it he Packers game last year......people will say Dak boosted his stats but that game wasn't finished in the 3rd quarter.

That is true, you can change the definition of garbage time, change the narrative. Smart guys can do that.
 

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Right. And it happens. Granted there's no correct way to tell what exactly "Garbage time" is. Even it he Packers game last year......people will say Dak boosted his stats but that game wasn't finished in the 3rd quarter.

That game was over at halftime. lol That was due to whatever the reason the offense didn't show up in the 1st half of games of a lot of games. Hopefully that's fixed.
 

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If you look at what this kid has done with the head coach he had it's pretty amazing.
It will be interesting to see what happens when the entire team is motivated and prepared from the opening play
 

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I'm not gonna lie. I'm kind of looking forward to seeing the rebuttal.....because as of right now the only thing they have to lean on is the Eagles game he was playing with a hurt shoulder and his "garbage time" stats.....yet no one actually looked at his garbage time stats lol.


Only stat that matters is 2 stats:


2019 Dallas Cowboys record was 8-8 and missed the playoffs

Dak's career playoff record is 1-2 as starting Cowboys QB



Also, in 2019 there were 4 games (Saints, Jets, Patriots, Eagles) in which Dak threw 0 TD's and the result was Dallas lost ALL 4 games by a combined total of 8 points. That is 25% of the games in which Dak failed to deliver a single TD. In other words, Dak failed to deliver in those 4 games which easily could have gotten Dallas into the playoffs.


Oh, and for those celebrating Dak's passing stats, there were 7 games in 2019 where Dak attemptted 40+ passes. The result was the Cowboys had a 1-6 record in those games while Dak had 11 TD's (37% of his 2019 total) and 5 Int's (45% of his 2019 total) with 2,536 yards (52% of his 2019 total).

So while Dak was running up his personal stats, the team was racking up the losses.


Then again all the Dak defenders will defend Dak until the end.
 
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Only stat that matters is 2 stats:


2019 Dallas Cowboys record was 8-8 and missed the playoffs

Dak's career playoff record is 1-2 as starting Cowboys QB



Also, in 2019 there were 4 games (Saints, Jets, Patriots, Eagles) in which Dak threw 0 TD's and the result was Dallas lost ALL 4 games by a combined total of 8 points. That is 25% of the games in which Dak failed to deliver a single TD. In other words, Dak failed to deliver in those 4 games which easily could have gotten Dallas into the playoffs.


Oh, and for those celebrating Dak's passing stats, there were 7 games in 2019 where Dak attemptted 40+ passes. The result was the Cowboys had a 1-6 record in those games while Dak had 11 TD's (37% of his 2019 total) and 5 Int's (45% of his 2019 total) with 2,536 yards (52% of his 2019 total).

So while Dak was running up his personal stats, the team was racking up the losses.


Then again all the Dak defenders will defend Dak until the end.
Most quarterbacks have bad games. Sorry to inform you. You think Pat Mahomes didn’t have bad games last year?
 

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Most quarterbacks have bad games. Sorry to inform you. You think Pat Mahomes didn’t have bad games last year?


LOL

In 2019, the Chiefs lost 4 regular season games. In those 4 losses Pat Mahomes had the following stats:

77 completions 124 attempts 62.1% Comp % 1,040 Yards 7 TD's 1 Int

Oh, and Mahomes didn't play in 1 of those losses so those stats are for 3 games where the Chiefs lost.


So not sure how you want to compare Dak with Mahomes in any way.
 

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What's the easier scenario?
A. Up 21 points with opposition teams selling out on the run to preserve the clock
B. Down 21 points with opposition teams in prevent protecting the boundary trying to burn clock

The definition of junk time is that graphic.
 

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Winston is clearly the best on that list and should get closer to $40M.
 

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I'm not gonna lie. I'm kind of looking forward to seeing the rebuttal.....because as of right now the only thing they have to lean on is the Eagles game he was playing with a hurt shoulder and his "garbage time" stats.....yet no one actually looked at his garbage time stats lol.
If folks researched, like your educated self does, they would find out most of Daks yards came in the 2nd and 3rd quarters......... not the 4th quarter and "garbage time"
 

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Don't you guys hate when people try to boost up how well a quarterback played especially when they have all those "garbage time" yards in them? Let's see what it looks like if you take out all of those garbage time yards out of it.

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Of that list, only Mahomes, Jackson and Russell made the playoffs. The other QB's led their teams to the following record:

Tampa Bay 7-9

Dallas 8-8

San Diego 5-11

LA Rams 9-7

Atlanta 7-9


So in other words a pass happy QB leads to 63% failure to make the playoffs based on your list.
 

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Oh Jesus Christ this thread isn't for you. It went completely over your head man.
Plus he forgets Mahomes missed multiple games with injury...... you would think even the slowest of people should understand that would bring the total yards passing down for him. Oh well, it's clear no matter what proof we show we will have clowns that just hate Dak personally and will refuse to look at facts.
 

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If folks researched, like your educated self does, they would find out most of Daks yards came in the 2nd and 3rd quarters......... not the 4th quarter and "garbage time"

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01/splits/2019/
#1 2nd Quarter 1,473 yards 12 TDs
#2 4th Quarter 1,356 yards 7 TDs
#3 3rd Quarter 1,268 yards 7 TDs
#4 1st Quarter 895 yards 4 TDs

Not arguing with you but here's a great breakdown of his stats in multiple scenarios.
Gotta love the breakdowns PFR does. Helps me regain brain cells after reading the extreme sides of this Dak debate.
 

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That's pretty good. Must commend the research and nuance. This took the discussion up a notch.


Darn right. Everybody is dug in.

We don't need no stinking stats, we watch the games. :thumbup:

As do I and I see a guy who has shown very good improvement over that of the guy who started in 2106. Dak avg is over 300 yards a game yet people claimed he was nothing more than a dink and dunk QB, that is false. He had issues with getting stripped and fumbling yet cut that down quite a bit this past season. He is inaccurate yet is 65.5% which compared to others is right up there with them. I'm not seeing a regression in his play I'm seeing a guy is making great strides.
 

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https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/P/PresDa01/splits/2019/
#1 2nd Quarter 1,473 yards 12 TDs
#2 4th Quarter 1,356 yards 7 TDs
#3 3rd Quarter 1,268 yards 7 TDs
#4 1st Quarter 895 yards 4 TDs

Not arguing with you but here's a great breakdown of his stats in multiple scenarios.
Gotta love the breakdowns PFR does. Helps me regain brain cells after reading the extreme sides of this Dak debate.
Its crazy how bad the first quarter was on offense, that's the quarter where coaches have a gameplan and script plays....... so happy that coaching staff is gone
 

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Its crazy how bad the first quarter was on offense, that's the quarter where coaches have a gameplan and script plays....... so happy that coaching staff is gone

Seriously. Too damn conservative early on. Hopefully, MM helps Moore create a better gameplan for the first 10-15 snaps or so.

It's like the offense had to rally in the 2nd and the 4th due to a whack start to both halves.
 
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