False Narratives about Cowboys

Dreski said:

I’m excited to see how our new Defensive coaching staff will do. I’m sure having to coach the defensive line on top of being the defensive coordinator wasn’t an easy job, I’m sure it’ll help that they have Tomsula as the line coach and Nolan as the coordinator. Instead of having Marinelli doing both

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xwalker said:

The coaching was bad enough in 2019. We don't need false narratives to pile on and blame them for things that were not really problems.

The George Iloka comments have caused a comical narrative.

People that are quoting him don't appear to have listened to his entire interview.

Iloka said that Kris Richard told him not to disguise coverage.
- Some pseudo media think that Iloka said KR told him to stay deep regardless.
- Iloka actually ended up saying that KR wanted to show an 8 man box and tempt teams to pass.
- He said that Zimmer/Edwards wanted to show 7 in the box to tempt teams to run.

Iloka also said that Awuzie indicated he always played the same technique.
- The All-22 is available to everyone for a low cost. Awuzie didn't always play the same technique.

Iloka never made the team and was 3rd string in the preseason.
- He is probably not fond of KR regardless of what actually happened.

The coaching was beyond terrible in 2019, but not for the reasons that people are now claiming.

The #1 problem with the defense was that Marinelli refused to change the DL scheme.
- The DL scheme was outdated and exposed by the Rams in the playoff game.
- In 2019 KR was in control of the back 7 and Marinelli still in control of the DL.
- KR tried to adapt the back 7 to stop the bleeding in run defense that was caused by the DL scheme.
- KR's changed ended up making it worse but he was in a no win situation.
- When offenses can run the ball with 3 OL blocking 4 DL and the other 2 OL free to block LBs, it's a fail for defense.

KR took all the help defenders from Awuzie and moved them inside and up to defend the run.
- Offenses would put 1 WR on Awuzies side.
- The Cowboys FS would align towards the side with 2 WRs.
- That meant Awuzie had no deep help on most plays.
- In Seattle with the Legion of Boom scheme, Richard Sherman often had help both inside deep and inside short.
- In 2019 KR had the inside short coverage help (SS and LBs) up near the DL to focus on the run.
- Despite Awuzie having no help deep or short on many plays, they also required him to be strong run defender on outside runs to his side.
- Awuzie was basically playing the Deion coverage style (no help) but even Deion didn't have the same run defense duties as Awuzie.
- It was indeed moronic to put Awuzie into that situation, but the problem was not because of technique or lack of disguising coverage.

In 2018 which was KR's first season with the Cowboys, the improvement in coaching of the secondary was obvious.
- It was obvious in reviewing game footage.
- It was also supported by player comments.
- CB Brown said the previous DB coaches never told him what technique to play and didn't even coach him on the differences in technique vs various situations. He said he learned more in a few months with KR than all years previously.

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Hawkeye19 said:

Good coaches put their players in the best situation to succeed. It is clear that Marinelli is a stubborn coach that refuses to change his approach. He surely bears some blame. However, in my opinion, Garrett is the HC and had the authority and responsibility to check his coaches and make sure they perform their jobs to standard. He failed to act and hold coaches accountable-- so the greatest responsibility for the mess lies with him (and ultimately with JJ and SJ for tolerating Garrett for as long as they did)

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xwalker said:

Iloka said that Kris Richard told him not to disguise coverage..

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xwalker said:

The coaching was bad enough in 2019. We don't need false narratives to pile on and blame them for things that were not really problems.

The George Iloka comments have caused a comical narrative.

People that are quoting him don't appear to have listened to his entire interview.

Iloka said that Kris Richard told him not to disguise coverage.
- Some pseudo media think that Iloka said KR told him to stay deep regardless.
- Iloka actually ended up saying that KR wanted to show an 8 man box and tempt teams to pass.
- He said that Zimmer/Edwards wanted to show 7 in the box to tempt teams to run.

Iloka also said that Awuzie indicated he always played the same technique.
- The All-22 is available to everyone for a low cost. Awuzie didn't always play the same technique.

Iloka never made the team and was 3rd string in the preseason.
- He is probably not fond of KR regardless of what actually happened.

The coaching was beyond terrible in 2019, but not for the reasons that people are now claiming.

The #1 problem with the defense was that Marinelli refused to change the DL scheme.
- The DL scheme was outdated and exposed by the Rams in the playoff game.
- In 2019 KR was in control of the back 7 and Marinelli still in control of the DL.
- KR tried to adapt the back 7 to stop the bleeding in run defense that was caused by the DL scheme.
- KR's changed ended up making it worse but he was in a no win situation.
- When offenses can run the ball with 3 OL blocking 4 DL and the other 2 OL free to block LBs, it's a fail for defense.

KR took all the help defenders from Awuzie and moved them inside and up to defend the run.
- Offenses would put 1 WR on Awuzies side.
- The Cowboys FS would align towards the side with 2 WRs.
- That meant Awuzie had no deep help on most plays.
- In Seattle with the Legion of Boom scheme, Richard Sherman often had help both inside deep and inside short.
- In 2019 KR had the inside short coverage help (SS and LBs) up near the DL to focus on the run.
- Despite Awuzie having no help deep or short on many plays, they also required him to be strong run defender on outside runs to his side.
- Awuzie was basically playing the Deion coverage style (no help) but even Deion didn't have the same run defense duties as Awuzie.
- It was indeed moronic to put Awuzie into that situation, but the problem was not because of technique or lack of disguising coverage.

In 2018 which was KR's first season with the Cowboys, the improvement in coaching of the secondary was obvious.
- It was obvious in reviewing game footage.
- It was also supported by player comments.
- CB Brown said the previous DB coaches never told him what technique to play and didn't even coach him on the differences in technique vs various situations. He said he learned more in a few months with KR than all years previously.

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Verdict said:

It seems like most of the prior coaching staff was very stubborn. Marinelli was a buffoon.

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xwalker said:

The coaching was bad enough in 2019. We don't need false narratives to pile on and blame them for things that were not really problems.

The George Iloka comments have caused a comical narrative.

People that are quoting him don't appear to have listened to his entire interview.

Iloka said that Kris Richard told him not to disguise coverage.
- Some pseudo media think that Iloka said KR told him to stay deep regardless.
- Iloka actually ended up saying that KR wanted to show an 8 man box and tempt teams to pass.
- He said that Zimmer/Edwards wanted to show 7 in the box to tempt teams to run.

Iloka also said that Awuzie indicated he always played the same technique.
- The All-22 is available to everyone for a low cost. Awuzie didn't always play the same technique.

Iloka never made the team and was 3rd string in the preseason.
- He is probably not fond of KR regardless of what actually happened.

The coaching was beyond terrible in 2019, but not for the reasons that people are now claiming.

The #1 problem with the defense was that Marinelli refused to change the DL scheme.
- The DL scheme was outdated and exposed by the Rams in the playoff game.
- In 2019 KR was in control of the back 7 and Marinelli still in control of the DL.
- KR tried to adapt the back 7 to stop the bleeding in run defense that was caused by the DL scheme.
- KR's changed ended up making it worse but he was in a no win situation.
- When offenses can run the ball with 3 OL blocking 4 DL and the other 2 OL free to block LBs, it's a fail for defense.

KR took all the help defenders from Awuzie and moved them inside and up to defend the run.
- Offenses would put 1 WR on Awuzies side.
- The Cowboys FS would align towards the side with 2 WRs.
- That meant Awuzie had no deep help on most plays.
- In Seattle with the Legion of Boom scheme, Richard Sherman often had help both inside deep and inside short.
- In 2019 KR had the inside short coverage help (SS and LBs) up near the DL to focus on the run.
- Despite Awuzie having no help deep or short on many plays, they also required him to be strong run defender on outside runs to his side.
- Awuzie was basically playing the Deion coverage style (no help) but even Deion didn't have the same run defense duties as Awuzie.
- It was indeed moronic to put Awuzie into that situation, but the problem was not because of technique or lack of disguising coverage.

In 2018 which was KR's first season with the Cowboys, the improvement in coaching of the secondary was obvious.
- It was obvious in reviewing game footage.
- It was also supported by player comments.
- CB Brown said the previous DB coaches never told him what technique to play and didn't even coach him on the differences in technique vs various situations. He said he learned more in a few months with KR than all years previously.

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Hawkeye19 said:

Also-- for the record-- Kris Richard was put into a ridiculously confusing situation. He was basically a "quasi-DC" that had no real authority to check Marinelli. To have responsibility absence of authority is a recipe for frustration and disaster. Again-- Garrett takes the blame for creating a clown-show on his coaching staff and muddling up the lanes of authority.

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texbumthelife said:

Awuzie's issues weren't/aren't schematic. His issues were/are an inability to get his head around and find the ball. Rarely was he just completely skunked and burned in his coverage, he just didn't show the ability to turn and make a play on the ball.

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CouchCoach said:

Marinelli had never been an effective DC in his career in the NFL. He had better talent on the DL in his previous jobs and a better front 7 that allowed him some leeway.

His major two problems were that he thought he was a talent evaluator of players he had not coached but the second one, his penchant for using the strength of the D to cover for the weakness, was his major flaw. All he did was neuter his strength and it really didn't help the weaknesses enough.

When Ryan was there, he just went balls to the wall with whoever he had and at times, didn't know who he had. But he wasn't going to back off his A players to cover for D players.

That was the same thing Wannstedt did with his guys and the rotation. That was the magic of having Woody back there with Roy Williams, Woody played his game, he didn't have to cover for Williams. When they rotated players in, the expectations didn't change and neither did the play calling.

When Parcells came in with the 3/4, he described it as a more "win the one on one battles" and proceeded to play a BDBD because he didn't have enough players to do that. Thatb 3/4 was a failed experiment.

We can talk about the great DC's that have been in this game Monte Kiffin, Marvin Lewis, Buddy Ryan, Bill Belichick, Dick LeBeau, Wade Phillips and a few others but let's list the players on those D's. They didn't make those players, they allowed them to play their game and put them in their best position to succeed. Belichick even admitting to changing the D when he saw what Lawrence Taylor could do.

I do have questions about Nolan as the DC but more questions about the talent on that DL. It is a new secondary that hasn't played as a unit yet, that DL is critical to not only the success of the D but of the team as a whole.

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CouchCoach said:

Marinelli had never been an effective DC in his career in the NFL. He had better talent on the DL in his previous jobs and a better front 7 that allowed him some leeway.

His major two problems were that he thought he was a talent evaluator of players he had not coached but the second one, his penchant for using the strength of the D to cover for the weakness, was his major flaw. All he did was neuter his strength and it really didn't help the weaknesses enough.

When Ryan was there, he just went balls to the wall with whoever he had and at times, didn't know who he had. But he wasn't going to back off his A players to cover for D players.

That was the same thing Wannstedt did with his guys and the rotation. That was the magic of having Woody back there with Roy Williams, Woody played his game, he didn't have to cover for Williams. When they rotated players in, the expectations didn't change and neither did the play calling.

When Parcells came in with the 3/4, he described it as a more "win the one on one battles" and proceeded to play a BDBD because he didn't have enough players to do that. Thatb 3/4 was a failed experiment.

We can talk about the great DC's that have been in this game Monte Kiffin, Marvin Lewis, Buddy Ryan, Bill Belichick, Dick LeBeau, Wade Phillips and a few others but let's list the players on those D's. They didn't make those players, they allowed them to play their game and put them in their best position to succeed. Belichick even admitting to changing the D when he saw what Lawrence Taylor could do.

I do have questions about Nolan as the DC but more questions about the talent on that DL. It is a new secondary that hasn't played as a unit yet, that DL is critical to not only the success of the D but of the team as a whole.

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