Are we a better team now than at season end?

MoistMayonnaise · May 12, 2020

Yes! We got better the day Red Jesus walked out the door for the last time.

Chuck 54 · May 12, 2020

I believe the front 7 will be better on defense.
I believe the offense will be better, passing more and running less often.

QuincyCarterEra · May 12, 2020

VACowboy said:
We didn't have a Pro Bowl C last year and I'm expecting Poe and McCoy to be a bigger upgrade than you evidently are. You skipped right over Lamb and I didn't mention the TE situation, the addition of Bell as a blocker, and as much as I love Witten I think we'll see some healthy addition by subtraction with Jarwin getting starter's minutes. Like I said, it's at least debatable.

You didn't mention Bell because we downgraded at the position. Bell is absolute non-factor. His blocking only gets brought up because he isn't a threat elsewhere, while the ones bringing up his blocking have never watched him block before. Bringing up Bell while downplaying the loss of our center who only allowed one sack and had one penalty last season is prime zone material. Far too many posters see everything we bring in is gold(coaches, FAs, and draft), while everyone who leaves the team was never any good. Don't take this as a direct line at you, we just see it here every single year. Addition by subtraction isn't a thing when talking about improving positions of a roster.

Lamb even as a rookie I would imagine is an improvement over Cobb. We will see.

Darkhound · May 12, 2020

I think and HOPE that the new MIX will overall result in a better TEAM and a better performance1

Captain43Crash · May 12, 2020

I’m sorry, but this is such a dumb question!
Garrett is gone AND Big Mike, a Superbowl winning HC took his place!

Of course we are a better team, much better.

rnr_honeybadger · May 12, 2020

Truth is we won’t know how good this team is until we see them perform as a team.

Sydla · May 12, 2020

Roster wise?

I'd say a wash or slightly down........... I think people are underestimating the loss of Quinn and Jones.

Coaching wise? It's hard to argue that we are not better off. So overall, I'd say we are improved, largely because of coaching.

Captain43Crash · May 12, 2020

Approximately 16% of fans, who took the pole, don’t think we are better, than at the end of last year!

Do you people realize Garrett was the HC at the end of last year, and Big Mike, a Superbowl winning coach is the HC now?
This proofs, you can’t get everyone to agree on anything, no matter what it is!

Captain43Crash · May 12, 2020

Idgit said:
I think our talent is about the same, not counting the huge upgrade at QB2 who hopefully doesn’t play at all.

I also think coaching is pretty comparable, with the notable exception of the ST staff, which is much improved.

So, I’d expect results similar to what we’ve seen in recent years where were a division contender (front-runner, really) and are a team capable of competing for the NFCCG. I do think the change in direction ought to have a positive impact this year. Things were getting stale after so many years of not breaking through.

I also think an abbreviated or disrupted camp and preseason puts us at a huge disadvantage this year that’s going to be tough to overcome, especially early. If Dak misses real time over his contract, good luck.

Hilarious! Why do you think things were getting stale, after so many years of not breaking through? I know you won’t put any blame on your favorite red head! LOL

Big_D · May 12, 2020

Captain43Crash said:
I’m sorry, but this is such a dumb question!
Garrett is gone AND Big Mike, a Superbowl winning HC took his place!

Of course we are a better team, much better.

Seems like an odd way to make an 8-8 team better than they actually were. The future is much brighter today, no doubt about that. The big picture is a million times better just for finally being rid of Garrett. Nevermind a great draft and some quality additions.

Captain43Crash · May 12, 2020

rnr_honeybadger said:
Truth is we won’t know how good this team is until we see them perform as a team.

Oh, we’re better!! With Garrett we had false hope every year. Now we actually have real hope!

QuincyCarterEra · May 12, 2020

Captain43Crash said:
I’m sorry, but this is such a dumb question!
Garrett is gone AND Big Mike, a Superbowl winning HC took his place!

Of course we are a better team, much better.

I'm sorry but this is such a dumb response!
Saying we are a much better team simply because we added a coach that was on the couch for a year, since he won a SB a decade ago with one of the best QBs of all time is so dumb.

Hell, Kubiak won a ring half as many years ago, we should have just hired him instead since that's all it takes to be a better team! It's that simple.

johneric8 · May 12, 2020

QuincyCarterEra said:
Fred allowed one sack and had one penalty last season.

He also had a way above average failure rate in his run blocking against stronger defenders. Travis was not great last season,
I believe Tyler will easily be starting first game out of the gate just watch.. I've been following him since his early days and the kid
is a beast. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I believe we got a great one here.

QuincyCarterEra · May 12, 2020

johneric8 said:
He also had a way above average failure rate in his run blocking against stronger defenders. Travis was not great last season,
I believe Tyler will easily be starting first game out of the gate just watch.. I've been following him since his early days and the kid
is a beast. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I believe we got a great one here.

Yeah, I think we can forgive him for his failure rate with the criteria of
1. Has to be run plays
2. Against stronger defenders
If you would cite your source on this one please

That's great to be excited about a player, but 95% odds are that Tyler has a better chance of being on the bench than starting all 16 games and only giving up one sack and one penalty.

QuincyCarterEra · May 12, 2020

johneric8 said:
He also had a way above average failure rate in his run blocking against stronger defenders. Travis was not great last season,
I believe Tyler will easily be starting first game out of the gate just watch.. I've been following him since his early days and the kid
is a beast. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but I believe we got a great one here.

In 2018 the offensive line ranked here in run-blocking stats:

8th in adjusted line yards
3rd in power success
11th in stuffed rate

In 2019(as of Nov 13th) with all other players on the line being the same are rushing stats were:

3rd in adjusted line yards
4th in power success
1st in stuffed rate

OmerV · May 12, 2020

Cowboy Brian said:
I think I know the answer here.

Losing T. Frederick, B. Jones, R. Quinn and many others makes it difficult to say definitively it is a "yes", but I think a lot of people will say "yes"

Of course we also had a draft that was considered by most everyone to be very successful, we have a new head coach and coaching staff, LVE will hopefully be healthy, and we have added Poe, McCoy, Dix and others. Granted it's hard to know how this all shakes out on the talent side because draft picks are unproven, but I think many expect the coaching to make a notable difference.

buybuydandavis · May 12, 2020

Cowboy Brian said:
I think I know the answer here.

Losing T. Frederick, B. Jones, R. Quinn and many others makes it difficult to say definitively it is a "yes", but I think a lot of people will say "yes"

The Frederick of last year wasn't the Frederick that we knew. PFF 69.9. He was in the mid 80s the rest of his career. For all the people hot for Looney, he's been in the 50s the last couple of seasons. I expect McGovern or Biadasz to come in around 70 at C give or take a few points. Relative to the hope that Fredbeard would come back full strength, we lost a lot, but relative to what Frederick actually was last year, it's probably a wash at C.

Biggest change: Garrett and our coaching dysfunction gone, competent coaches in.
+++Yuge! That's 3 or 4 games we didn't have to lose last year.

For Players:
Offense
+ Lamb, McGovern, Biadasz, Dalton
- Frederick, Rush
Defense
+ McCoy, Poe, Gallimore, Gregory?, Smith?, fixed Crawford?, fixed LVE?, Diggs, Dix. Worley
- Quinn, Collins, Byron, Heath

Offense, just better. Much better. Top ten talent at WR, legitimate starting QB as backup - wins us Philly game, 2 for 1 on oline.
Defense, much better at DT, much better at LB if LVE is fixed, probably better or at least as good at DE if Gregory is back, better adding Crawford and Smith to Gregory, better at S, worse at CB, but more depth.

RDE is the only position that might be a real issue. Might be much much better, might be worse if Gregory/Smith/Crawford all come up empty, but we'd probably still be better there against the run.

FLcowboy · May 12, 2020

Cowboy Brian said:
I think I know the answer here.

Losing T. Frederick, B. Jones, R. Quinn and many others makes it difficult to say definitively it is a "yes", but I think a lot of people will say "yes"

Garrett’s departure, and most of his staff’s will reap dividends

QuincyCarterEra · May 12, 2020

buybuydandavis said:
The Frederick of last year wasn't the Frederick that we knew. PFF 69.9. He was in the mid 80s the rest of his career. For all the people hot for Looney, he's been in the 50s the last couple of seasons. I expect McGovern or Biadasz to come in around 70 at C give or take a few points. Relative to the hope that Fredbeard would come back full strength, we lost a lot, but relative to what Frederick actually was last year, it's probably a wash.

Biggest change: Garrett and our coaching dysfunction gone, competent coaches in.
+++Yuge! That's 3 or 4 games we didn't have to lose last year.

For Players:
Offense
+ Lamb, McGovern, Biadasz, Dalton
- Frederick, Rush
Defense
+ McCoy, Poe, Gallimore, Gregory?, Smith?, fixed Crawford?, fixed LVE?, Diggs, Dix. Worley
- Quinn, Collins, Byron, Heath

Offense, just better. Much better. Top ten talent at WR, legitimate starting QB as backup - wins us Philly game, 2 for 1 on oline.
Defense, much better at DT, much better at LB if LVE is fixed, probably better or at least as good at DE if Gregory is back, better adding Crawford and Smith to Gregory, better at S, worse at CB, but more depth.

RDE is the only position that might be a real issue. Might be much much better, might be worse if Gregory/Smith/Crawford all come up empty, but we'd probably still be better there against the run.

Of the 32 first rounders last year 5 of them had a grade of 70 or better. Strictly 1st round talents.

You think a late 3rd rounder or late 4th rounder in their first seasons both coming off injury will have a grade around 70?

Frederick wasn't his old self(isn't saying much), but 69.6 is a good grade and we will almost definitely see worse output by our center this season.

buybuydandavis · May 12, 2020

Idgit said:
I think our talent is about the same, not counting the huge upgrade at QB2 who hopefully doesn’t play at all.

That's the Philly loss.

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