14% of salary cap myth

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It's been said ad nauseam amongst those against resigning our QB1 that no QB that has taken up 14% or more of CAP wins the Super Bowl.

Firstly only one QB wins the SB every year making it very unlikely accomplishment. Now let's dive into the numbers.

Heading into 2020 there are only three players with CAP hits that represent 14% or more, those are Goff, Wilson, and the highest CAP hit being Mr. Dak Prescott. So if you believe in the 14% myth you should want us to resign him immedsitely to lower that CAP hit.

In 2019 only 3 QBs hit the 14% mark again. Those being Cousins, Rodgers, and Stafford. As we know the Packers and Vikings had no issues putting good rosters around their QBs despite the large CAP hit.

In 2018 anybody want to take a guess as to how many hit it? YES YOURE RIGHT, 3! Carr, Stafford, and Jimmy G.

How about 2017? Anybody anybody? Correct it was only 3 again those being Flacco, Palmer, and Cousins.

In 2016 that number jumped up to a whopping 5 QBs, which you'll see seems to be an anomaly. Eli, Big Ben, Ryan, Flacco, and Stafford taking those honors.

2015 had two with only Brees and Rivers.

2014 also only had two with Eli and Big Ben

2013 saw that number jump to 4 with Brees, Manning, Stafford, and Eli.

2012 only had one with Peyton Manning

2011 also only had one with Sanchez

2010 was uncapped

2009 had two with only Manning and McNabb

2008 had Manning all by himself

2007 didn't have any

2006 didn't have any

2005 None

2004 want to guess? Yes you're right

You get the point


So when someone uses the argument of "No team has won SB(very unlikely event in the first place) if they've taken up 14% or more of CAP". What they are actually saying is that over the course of the last 15+ years that these 27 players(out of 500ish starting QBs) didn't win the Super Bowl so therefore it is impossible.
 

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It's been said ad nauseam amongst those against resigning our QB1 that no QB that has taken up 14% or more of CAP wins the Super Bowl.

Firstly only one QB wins the SB every year making it very unlikely accomplishment. Now let's dive into the numbers.

Heading into 2020 there are only three players with CAP hits that represent 14% or more, those are Goff, Wilson, and the highest CAP hit being Mr. Dak Prescott. So if you believe in the 14% myth you should want us to resign him immedsitely to lower that CAP hit.

In 2019 only 3 QBs hit the 14% mark again. Those being Cousins, Rodgers, and Stafford. As we know the Packers and Vikings had no issues putting good rosters around their QBs despite the large CAP hit.

In 2018 anybody want to take a guess as to how many hit it? YES YOURE RIGHT, 3! Carr, Stafford, and Jimmy G.

How about 2017? Anybody anybody? Correct it was only 3 again those being Flacco, Palmer, and Cousins.

In 2016 that number jumped up to a whopping 5 QBs, which you'll see seems to be an anomaly. Eli, Big Ben, Ryan, Flacco, and Stafford taking those honors.

2015 had two with only Brees and Rivers.

2014 also only had two with Eli and Big Ben

2013 saw that number jump to 4 with Brees, Manning, Stafford, and Eli.

2012 only had one with Peyton Manning

2011 also only had one with Sanchez

2010 was uncapped

2009 had two with only Manning and McNabb

2008 had Manning all by himself

2007 didn't have any

2006 didn't have any

2005 None

2004 want to guess? Yes you're right

You get the point


So when someone uses the argument of "No team has won SB(very unlikely event in the first place) if they've taken up 14% or more of CAP". What they are actually saying is that over the course of the last 15+ years that these 27 players(out of 500ish starting QBs) didn't win the Super Bowl so therefore it is impossible.

Yep...……….been saying for a while. There are so few at that number that its not something you can gauge. Not to mention the fact that Brady has won half of them over that time which completely messes up the formula. Brady is an outlier.
 

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Whether those 27 players not winning a Super Bowl validates the claim is sort of irrelevant.

What is relevant, though, is the element of common sense when it comes to allocating funds in a restricted market.

Giving one player too much money will inherently make it more difficult to acquire/keep enough talent to sustain team success. Key words for those who love to argue: MORE DIFFICULT; not impossible. All-world talent like Mahomes or Brady or Favre were/are so good that they can take a bigger piece of the $$% and still have a chance to win Super Bowls, but that’s because they’re capable of putting the team on their back. In my opinion, Dak cannot do that, and that’s why he is unworthy of 14%+ of the cap.
 

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Whether those 27 players not winning a Super Bowl validates the claim is sort of irrelevant.

What is relevant, though, is the element of common sense when it comes to allocating funds in a restricted market.

Giving one player too much will inherently make it more difficult to acquire/keep enough talent to sustain success. Key words for those who love to argue: MORE DIFFICULT; not impossible.

Sure. As does every signing for every single team make it more difficult which makes this sort of irrelevant.
 

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You’re not signing every player for $35mil+ AAV. Quit arguing just for the sake of disagreement

Want to take a guess as to how many teams made the SB with bad QBs compared to the teams that made the SB with QBs on large contracts?
 

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Want to take a guess as to how many teams made the SB with bad QBs compared to the teams that made the SB with QBs on large contracts?
And again, you’re throwing out more irrelevant material. For what? I’m not here to play your games.

Your original point goes against cap management realities. Sorry that you have trouble accepting that, but that’s all I really have to say. Good day to you.
 

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And again, you’re throwing out more irrelevant material. For what? I’m not here to play your games.

Your original point goes against cap management realities. Sorry that you have trouble accepting that, but that’s all I really have to say. Good day to you.

I guess the OP just went over your head. It has been brought up many many many times about QBs accounting for 14% of CAP having never won a Super Bowl. The OP just offered perspective into why that isn't as damning a view as some like to make it out to be.

If that's not what you wanted to talk about then you shouldn't have replied.

CAP management reality is that over the last decade QBs that have set the market at the QB position have gone onto the SB and either won it or was leading the 4th quarter 5 times over the last decade. There's your reality, you gonna accept it?

The alternative to not paying him, which would leave us with a bad QB, that's why I figured I'd ask the question.

Good day to you as well, I hope I helped you out.
 

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Whether those 27 players not winning a Super Bowl validates the claim is sort of irrelevant.

What is relevant, though, is the element of common sense when it comes to allocating funds in a restricted market.

Giving one player too much money will inherently make it more difficult to acquire/keep enough talent to sustain team success. Key words for those who love to argue: MORE DIFFICULT; not impossible. All-world talent like Mahomes or Brady or Favre were/are so good that they can take a bigger piece of the $$% and still have a chance to win Super Bowls, but that’s because they’re capable of putting the team on their back. In my opinion, Dak cannot do that, and that’s why he is unworthy of 14%+ of the cap.

Either there is going to be a resetting of the QB market or there will be more good QBs taking up more and more cap space (not exponentially as cap will continue to increase). I don’t see the market being reset anytime soon.
 

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What percentage of Dak's tag taking up this year?
 

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Maybe it you! Jr college in AZ is like jr hi in Texas
I have mad respect for Texas high school football.

Their coaches are much higher paid than any Junior College coach.

We recruited a bunch of kids from Texas. I could never understand how we would get some of them when they have all of those Texas JuCo's (Blinn, Navarro, Trinity, etc.) to choose from.

My all-time favorite Texas recruit we got? Luke Laufenberg. Kid was a warrior (on and off the field).
 

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I have mad respect for Texas high school football.

Their coaches are much higher paid than any Junior College coach.

We recruited a bunch of kids from Texas. I could never understand how we would get some of them when they have all of those Texas JuCo's (Blinn, Navarro, Trinity, etc.) to choose from.

My all-time favorite Texas recruit we got? Luke Laufenberg. Kid was a warrior (on and off the field).
Those JCs are football factories for kids that don't make the grade. They can compete with some D1 schools
 
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