Will this be the First Year our GM, HC, QB are aligned?

817Gill · May 14, 2020

Typically, SB teams and organizations who can sustain years of being contenders have a GM, HC, and QB that are top 6-8ish as a group. Building and managing a roster, putting those players in the best position to succeed, and having one of the better players at the most important position must align in order to sustain high level success in this league.

This is not the NBA, players alone do not win much for any sustained period of time. Let’s take a look at the 3 previous iterations of GM, HC, QB:

*Real GM (obviously Jerry is always by title but there’s been a clear shift in who makes the calls and who rubber stamps them).
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Real GM- Jerry

HC- Jason Garrett

QB- Tony Romo

Tenure- 2010ish-2013

GM fielded three straight 8-8 rosters from 2011 to 2013 with solid starting talent but weak depth and minimal contributions from decent to less than stellar overall drafts. HC did what he did best and we saw some of the most Garrett influenced football ever. The king of 8-8 reigned. Romo did what he could but similar to Dak, without a good coach and overall roster, he wasn’t going to be able to do much.

Real GM- Stephen

HC- Garrett

QB- Tony

Tenure- 2014-preseason 2016

The selection of Z.Martin in 2014 signified the start of a new era. Believe in it or not, the player acquisition steadied tremendously and there was a clear influence from Stephen Jones and Will McClay. Drafts could now be counted on to bring in contributors. GM improved during this era. HC, same guy with better rosters and a renewed emphasis on the running game. Romo was able to use the play action and his veteran intelligence to play like a wizard. Was 2nd in MVP voting that year.

Real GM- Stephen

HC- Garrett

QB- Dak

Tenure- 2016-2019

The steadying of the GM’s roster management was supposed to benefit the final years of Romo’s career, but his body couldn’t make it. Many of the main contributors on the team now were drafted during these years. Garrett, got refreshed a few times by youth and talent but went stale quickly. Dak has climbed his way to a top ten-ish QB with a big season in 2016 and very bright spots throughout 2018/19. Still improving and has the look of a future top 6-8 QB as early as next year.

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With a look at the current GM, HC, QB combo; will this be the first year in some time where we have a top 6ish roster, coaching staff, and QB? If so, we’ll be able to compete for SB’s annually as those guys don’t go anywhere.

GORICO · May 14, 2020

817Gill said:
Typically, SB teams and organizations who can sustain years of being contenders have a GM, HC, and QB that are top 6-8ish as a group. Building and managing a roster, putting those players in the best position to succeed, and having one of the better players at the most important position must align in order to sustain high level success in this league.

This is not the NBA, players alone do not win much for any sustained period of time. Let’s take a look at the 3 previous iterations of GM, HC, QB:

*Real GM (obviously Jerry is always by title but there’s been a clear shift in who makes the calls and who rubber stamps them).
________________________________________

Real GM- Jerry

HC- Jason Garrett

QB- Tony Romo

Tenure- 2010ish-2013

GM fielded three straight 8-8 rosters from 2011 to 2013 with solid starting talent but weak depth and minimal contributions from decent to less than stellar overall drafts. HC did what he did best and we saw some of the most Garrett influenced football ever. The king of 8-8 reigned. Romo did what he could but similar to Dak, without a good coach and overall roster, he wasn’t going to be able to do much.

Real GM- Stephen

HC- Garrett

QB- Tony

Tenure- 2014-preseason 2016

The selection of Z.Martin in 2014 signified the start of a new era. Believe in it or not, the player acquisition steadied tremendously and there was a clear influence from Stephen Jones and Will McClay. Drafts could now be counted on to bring in contributors. GM improved during this era. HC, same guy with better rosters and a renewed emphasis on the running game. Romo was able to use the play action and his veteran intelligence to play like a wizard. Was 2nd in MVP voting that year.

Real GM- Stephen

HC- Garrett

QB- Dak

Tenure- 2016-2019

The steadying of the GM’s roster management was supposed to benefit the final years of Romo’s career, but his body couldn’t make it. Many of the main contributors on the team now were drafted during these years. Garrett, got refreshed a few times by youth and talent but went stale quickly. Dak has climbed his way to a top ten-ish QB with a big season in 2016 and very bright spots throughout 2018/19. Still improving and has the look of a future top 6-8 QB as early as next year.

________________________________________

With a look at the current GM, HC, QB combo; will this be the first year in some time where we have a top 6ish roster, coaching staff, and QB? If so, we’ll be able to compete for SB’s annually as those guys don’t go anywhere.

just hope we get to play come football season....i know we will kick some serious NFL east butt

817Gill · May 14, 2020

GORICO said:
just hope we get to play come football season....i know we will kick some serious NFL east butt

For sure

Oz-of-Cowboy-Country · May 14, 2020

We all hope so but....

We will definitely find out in the next four years.

Kaiser · May 14, 2020

817Gill said:
Typically, SB teams and organizations who can sustain years of being contenders have a GM, HC, and QB that are top 6-8ish as a group. Building and managing a roster, putting those players in the best position to succeed, and having one of the better players at the most important position must align in order to sustain high level success in this league.

Great thread. I would argue that McClay is the real GM but there is no question we have upgraded with McCarthy coming in (and likely having much more say in the front office decisions). I don't think its a question of whether the pieces are better, just how quickly they gel together.

MyFairLady · May 14, 2020

haha McClay is the real GM. Too funny. The drunk old ******* is large and in charge kids. Nothing has ever changed.

DFWJC · May 14, 2020

Hope so

Kaiser · May 14, 2020

MyFairLady said:
haha McClay is the real GM. Too funny. The drunk old ******* is large and in charge kids. Nothing has ever changed.

I'll take "Posts from 2005" Alex.

Idgit · May 14, 2020

I don’t think so. But I’m not sure it’s the case that you need to be top-quartile in those specific areas anyway. For example, real contenders have to have a deep and talented roster. That doesn’t follow just because you have a talented GM. But getting to the championship game also means staying healthy, getting the right matchups, getting fair refereeing (sadly, yes, this is an issue. Ask the Saints).

I don’t think we have a top-6 staff yet. We do have a really good roster, and we’ve got offensive skill players that will be nearly impossible to match up with unless teams can exert real pressure right up the middle.

big dog cowboy · May 14, 2020

Kaiser said:
I'll take "Posts from 2005" Alex.

That's the truth. I'm not sure where people get the notion the 2020 version of Jerry is the same version as an older version. The torched has been passed. All Jerry does is rubber stamp decisions and give confusing interviews.

Dre11 · May 14, 2020

hard to tell, as much as people want to believe it's different, its really not. Jerry is still the face of the organization and the loudest voice. He's the face of every aspect except the salary cap management.
As much as I hate the skins they are doing it right for now(at least until the honeymoon is over). Ron Rivera is the loudest voice there now, He chose the GM, coaches, trainers, and personnel guys. They all answer to him. I'm sure there will be a honeymoon period here, but how long. I never had an issue before with Jerry doing his thing, but sometimes he can go overboard with the hype and I think it sometimes trickle down to the players and they feed into it.

sean10mm · May 14, 2020

I mean, it sure seems like the results of the drafts have improved from let's say 2014 on. Either Jerry got smarter, or somebody else is the brains behind the operation now and he's more of a figurehead. Take your pick I guess?

Garrett was such a pervasive handicap in everything from preparation to culture to game management that I don't now how you quantify it, other than saying it was real bad.

817Gill · May 14, 2020

Kaiser said:
I'll take "Posts from 2005" Alex.

Such a clear difference in how the FO runs now than back in the early 2000’s lol I knew someone would come with the “Jerry’s always been the GM” line.

xwalker · May 15, 2020

817Gill said:
Typically, SB teams and organizations who can sustain years of being contenders have a GM, HC, and QB that are top 6-8ish as a group. Building and managing a roster, putting those players in the best position to succeed, and having one of the better players at the most important position must align in order to sustain high level success in this league.

This is not the NBA, players alone do not win much for any sustained period of time. Let’s take a look at the 3 previous iterations of GM, HC, QB:

*Real GM (obviously Jerry is always by title but there’s been a clear shift in who makes the calls and who rubber stamps them).
________________________________________

Real GM- Jerry

HC- Jason Garrett

QB- Tony Romo

Tenure- 2010ish-2013

GM fielded three straight 8-8 rosters from 2011 to 2013 with solid starting talent but weak depth and minimal contributions from decent to less than stellar overall drafts. HC did what he did best and we saw some of the most Garrett influenced football ever. The king of 8-8 reigned. Romo did what he could but similar to Dak, without a good coach and overall roster, he wasn’t going to be able to do much.

Real GM- Stephen

HC- Garrett

QB- Tony

Tenure- 2014-preseason 2016

The selection of Z.Martin in 2014 signified the start of a new era. Believe in it or not, the player acquisition steadied tremendously and there was a clear influence from Stephen Jones and Will McClay. Drafts could now be counted on to bring in contributors. GM improved during this era. HC, same guy with better rosters and a renewed emphasis on the running game. Romo was able to use the play action and his veteran intelligence to play like a wizard. Was 2nd in MVP voting that year.

Real GM- Stephen

HC- Garrett

QB- Dak

Tenure- 2016-2019

The steadying of the GM’s roster management was supposed to benefit the final years of Romo’s career, but his body couldn’t make it. Many of the main contributors on the team now were drafted during these years. Garrett, got refreshed a few times by youth and talent but went stale quickly. Dak has climbed his way to a top ten-ish QB with a big season in 2016 and very bright spots throughout 2018/19. Still improving and has the look of a future top 6-8 QB as early as next year.

________________________________________

With a look at the current GM, HC, QB combo; will this be the first year in some time where we have a top 6ish roster, coaching staff, and QB? If so, we’ll be able to compete for SB’s annually as those guys don’t go anywhere.

Yes, Stephen Jones was making all decisions about the football operations with the last question being if Jerry would block him from dumping Garrett.

Now that Stephen got his way and pushed Garrett out, he is in control of the football operations. Jerry just maintains 1st dibs on camera and microphone time...

It seems that Stephen's weak spot has been listening to Marinelli too much. McCoy and the new coaching staff appear to be much more open about they types of players that they like.

darthseinfeld · May 15, 2020

Dre11 said:
hard to tell, as much as people want to believe it's different, its really not. Jerry is still the face of the organization and the loudest voice. He's the face of every aspect except the salary cap management.
As much as I hate the skins they are doing it right for now(at least until the honeymoon is over). Ron Rivera is the loudest voice there now, He chose the GM, coaches, trainers, and personnel guys. They all answer to him. I'm sure there will be a honeymoon period here, but how long. I never had an issue before with Jerry doing his thing, but sometimes he can go overboard with the hype and I think it sometimes trickle down to the players and they feed into it.

All comes down to Haskins though.

I do agree that the Skins have gotten alot better. That D Line by itself should win them some games. They arent going to be an easy win. If Haskins plays well, then I think are real contenders in the NFCE

Dre11 · May 15, 2020

darthseinfeld said:
All comes down to Haskins though.

I do agree that the Skins have gotten alot better. That D Line by itself should win them some games. They arent going to be an easy win. If Haskins plays well, then I think are real contenders in the NFCE

I think they are doing the right thing by the coach, by making him the largest voice and full autonomy of the organization

Redball Express · May 16, 2020

Kaiser said:
I'll take "Posts from 2005" Alex.

Good..

Your answer must be in the form of a question..

"Who was the QB Romo replaced to become the starter in Dallas?*

Hint-He lost his job to Tom Brady in NE and then lost it again to Romo, an undrafted, unrested QB from Illinois whatever?

Answer-Drew "I am a backup so shoot me" _____.

Bledsoe.

Circle gets the Square. Oops..wrong game.

Would you be interested in some burial insurance? Remember the 3 P's.

Price..price and price. $9,95/month and you have planned for your future.

And here is Tom Selick to tell you about Reverse Mortgages..

CouchCoach · May 16, 2020

Hogwash, there is no evidence, 0, that Stuphen has taken over and if you watched the 2019 draft, you saw exactly who's in charge. He was pushing for the trade and Booger ended it with take McGovern.

This is nothing more than wishful thinking that Booger has relinquished the reins and he is still HMFIC.

Kaiser · May 16, 2020

xwalker said:
Jerry just maintains a death grip on camera and microphone time...

FIFY

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