What makes someone love Dak while hating Romo, or vice versa?

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Maybe Garrett and staff just made me numb to everything. :muttley:

Probably some truth to that. I think some of the fans who pointed to this or that about Romo as flaws now realize that the primary flaws were with the coaching staff. I think it took changing quarterbacks for some to notice that. Some are doing just like was done with Romo, deflecting the blame onto the quarterback.

It is the nature of the position, but it also seems necessary for some fans to have a particular player(s) to blame for the failures. Truth is that every player fails at times because the game isn't played by perfect individuals. Our quarterbacks can't afford to have those failures, though, so they inordinately get blamed by fans for losses. (One of my favorites was when some fans got mad at Romo and blamed him for the 51-48 loss to Denver in 2013 because he threw a late-game interception ... in the same game where he threw for a franchise-record 506 yards and five TDs.)
 

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I love Dak for his leadership and mental toughness, but mostly because he still has a chance to win something. I loved Tony because he made me believe he might be able to win, but I don’t believe he was mentally tough, he tore my heart out with untimely turnovers, and I’m sick of fans who think a QB can be great without ever winning, seldom even finding the playoffs.

I don’t hate Tony. He is simply meaningless to me because he never won and now provides no hope for such. Unless Dak eventually wins a conference title or at least get to it, he and his stats will also mean nothing to me.

But for now, I have hope in Dak.
 

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I don't hate either one, I know that much.
But come on, the pockets of hate for Romo were very real.
Granted, I never said otherwise. I just think it doesn't compare to the hate I'm seeing these days toward Dak.
 
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Note: I don't want this to be the 500th edition of "Dak sucks" or "Romo sucks." Let's keep this one different - let's stay on topic, focused, and not stray into the usual same-old same-old arguments we've had elsewhere for years.




There are many Cowboys fans who love both Romo and Dak. There are also a few who, for some reason, hate both Romo and Dak. Okay, that's fine - at least they're consistent.

What puzzles me is fans who love Romo while hating Dak, or love Dak while hating Romo.

Because, from a purely objective standpoint, both players were quite similar. They both have a 1:2 ratio of playoff wins to losses, for instance. They were usually good enough to put the Cowboys in playoff contention every single December, even if not getting them in outright. They both made plays with their arms and legs, they had times when they were let down by shoddy defense or a bad O-line, they were both players of good character, etc. They both had good touchdown-to-interception ratios. They are both Pro Bowl level quarterbacks that the Cowboys were lucky to stumble into (one was a 4th-round pick, one was undrafted.)


In fact, I bet I could get some stats for both players - passing stats, win-to-loss ratio, etc. - and Cowboys Zoners wouldn't be able to readily guess which belonged to Romo and which belonged to Dak.

Yet - over the past few years - we've seen a stunning turnaround. The exact same posters here who criticized Romo, "It's wins that count, not stats" - now suddenly defend Dak by touting his stats and also saying, "A quarterback can't win by himself, it's a team game." And the exact same posters who defended Romo by saying "a quarterback can't win by himself" suddenly now criticize Dak "it's wins that count, not stats."

What gives? It's a strange, bizarre, hypocrisy.

I think there were some resentments created by the way Romo was treated on this board when Dak was given the job so quickly. As Dak continues to struggle the opposing sides get even more entrenched, it seems like the real animosity was generated between the posters and not so much how they feel about the players.
 

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You must not read much around here. There is a segment of posters that take the chance to trash Romo in almost every Dak thread. He absolutely has hit haters around here.
I've not observed Cowboys fans that hate both.
 

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Probably some truth to that. I think some of the fans who pointed to this or that about Romo as flaws now realize that the primary flaws were with the coaching staff. I think it took changing quarterbacks for some to notice that. Some are doing just like was done with Romo, deflecting the blame onto the quarterback.

It is the nature of the position, but it also seems necessary for some fans to have a particular player(s) to blame for the failures. Truth is that every player fails at times because the game isn't played by perfect individuals. Our quarterbacks can't afford to have those failures, though, so they inordinately get blamed by fans for losses. (One of my favorites was when some fans got mad at Romo and blamed him for the 51-48 loss to Denver in 2013 because he threw a late-game interception ... in the same game where he threw for a franchise-record 506 yards and five TDs.)

The giveaway with Romo was when he became an announcer and started talking about how great other teams' offensive systems were in detail. He understood the game at an advanced level but was handcuffed in the Cowboys system. He never called anybody out directly, but the subtext was real clear - Garrett was the dummy all along.

I think people also fail to consider that the more points the defense gives up and the less time that's left in the game, the more gambles you have to take, and sometimes those crap out. Romo could have protected his stat line in the Denver game by not taking risks down the stretch... but he was trying to win a shootout against the best offense in league history while the Cowboys were the worst in the league in total defense, and he wasn't a coward, so he kept throwing.

Tom Brady was undoubtedly better than Romo, but even he ran into this. His D gave up 32 second half points (!!!) vs. the Colts in the playoffs in 2007, and the only chance of winning was for him to keep chucking it and keep trying to convert high-risk plays. Didn't work for him that day, either.
 

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The giveaway with Romo was when he became an announcer and started talking about how great other teams' offensive systems were in detail. He understood the game at an advanced level but was handcuffed in the Cowboys system. He never called anybody out directly, but the subtext was real clear - Garrett was the dummy all along.

I think people also fail to consider that the more points the defense gives up and the less time that's left in the game, the more gambles you have to take, and sometimes those crap out. Romo could have protected his stat line in the Denver game by not taking risks down the stretch... but he was trying to win a shootout against the best offense in league history while the Cowboys were the worst in the league in total defense, and he wasn't a coward, so he kept throwing.

Tom Brady was undoubtedly better than Romo, but even he ran into this. His D gave up 32 second half points (!!!) vs. the Colts in the playoffs in 2007, and the only chance of winning was for him to keep chucking it and keep trying to convert high-risk plays. It didn't work for him that day, either.
That was an impressive post w/ real perspective.
No mudslinging, just rational analysis.
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The quarterbacks this club has had between Aikman & Romo were horrendous. What's sad? You never hear anyone talking about any of them. Seems as though the better the quarterback is, the more he's hated. o_O
 

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I feel like early career Romo would have been unstoppable if he had a head coach like Mike Holmgren in the 1990s was for Favre. Favre needed somebody to make him play within a system more and less out of control, and that evolution of the WCO actually fit his skills well (it meshed with his mobility and quick release very smoothly.) But at the same time Holmgren wasn't so overbearing that he didn't just kill his improvisational playmaking entirely in the name of the almighty system.

Garrett had no feel for finding that balance and was married to a system that was tailored for an entirely different style of player. Ironically, this persisted when Dak took over for Tony, to similar effect - the second the offensive skill positions can't out-talent the other guy, everything goes sideways. Everyone blamed this on the QBs, and each guy made his fair share of mistakes, but a huge share of the continuity of disappointment has to be borne by the coaching.

It's telling that Prescott and Romo had opposite instincts (caution vs. aggression), but the team results were essentially identical. Everybody was cheering Prescott's "taking care of the ball" and "game management" until they were looking at 9-7 in 2017 or whatever just like it was when Romo was gunslinging it.

It's almost once you got past the Quincy Carter threshold you had other problems doing more harm than the difference between the two guys under center.
 

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Dak started as a rookie and broke rookie records. Tony sat on the bench for three years and then didn't get better for seasons after.

Dak was clearly better from the start.
Only because Romo was on the sidelines being Dak's mentor in his rookie season. His game noticeably declined after Romo left.
 

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I mean, I doubt Romo himself is taking that much credit for when Dak was good lol

On the flip-side, I don't know what QB would have looked good playing on the 2004 Cowboys...it was hardly a plug-and-play roster like the 2016 one was.
 

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You sound like a fake fan who never watched a Cowboys game to me. Romo didn’t have “frequent untimely miscues”. Maybe you could look up how many career playoff interceptions Romo had, providing you can actually read.

Bro, I've been following them since the 70's and was response was honesty! I was always nervous Romo was going to do something stupid, even though he did a ton of great things. My point is with Dak, I just enjoy watching the game more because he doesn't have me on pins and needles.. This isn't shock value bro, this is the honest truth from my perspective.
 

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Note: I don't want this to be the 500th edition of "Dak sucks" or "Romo sucks." Let's keep this one different - let's stay on topic, focused, and not stray into the usual same-old same-old arguments we've had elsewhere for years.




There are many Cowboys fans who love both Romo and Dak. There are also a few who, for some reason, hate both Romo and Dak. Okay, that's fine - at least they're consistent.

What puzzles me is fans who love Romo while hating Dak, or love Dak while hating Romo.

Because, from a purely objective standpoint, both players were quite similar. They both have a 1:2 ratio of playoff wins to losses, for instance. They were usually good enough to put the Cowboys in playoff contention every single December, even if not getting them in outright. They both made plays with their arms and legs, they had times when they were let down by shoddy defense or a bad O-line, they were both players of good character, etc. They both had good touchdown-to-interception ratios. They are both Pro Bowl level quarterbacks that the Cowboys were lucky to stumble into (one was a 4th-round pick, one was undrafted.)


In fact, I bet I could get some stats for both players - passing stats, win-to-loss ratio, etc. - and Cowboys Zoners wouldn't be able to readily guess which belonged to Romo and which belonged to Dak.

Yet - over the past few years - we've seen a stunning turnaround. The exact same posters here who criticized Romo, "It's wins that count, not stats" - now suddenly defend Dak by touting his stats and also saying, "A quarterback can't win by himself, it's a team game." And the exact same posters who defended Romo by saying "a quarterback can't win by himself" suddenly now criticize Dak "it's wins that count, not stats."

What gives? It's a strange, bizarre, hypocrisy.

It's like someone saying my Dad can beat up your Dad. Truth is, we're just prideful, and blinded by time.
The same reason the older crowd can't believe anyone is better than/as good as Aikman, Staubach etc. or that those players make them the older crowd :p:D .
 

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Note: I don't want this to be the 500th edition of "Dak sucks" or "Romo sucks." Let's keep this one different - let's stay on topic, focused, and not stray into the usual same-old same-old arguments we've had elsewhere for years.




There are many Cowboys fans who love both Romo and Dak. There are also a few who, for some reason, hate both Romo and Dak. Okay, that's fine - at least they're consistent.

What puzzles me is fans who love Romo while hating Dak, or love Dak while hating Romo.

Because, from a purely objective standpoint, both players were quite similar. They both have a 1:2 ratio of playoff wins to losses, for instance. They were usually good enough to put the Cowboys in playoff contention every single December, even if not getting them in outright. They both made plays with their arms and legs, they had times when they were let down by shoddy defense or a bad O-line, they were both players of good character, etc. They both had good touchdown-to-interception ratios. They are both Pro Bowl level quarterbacks that the Cowboys were lucky to stumble into (one was a 4th-round pick, one was undrafted.)


In fact, I bet I could get some stats for both players - passing stats, win-to-loss ratio, etc. - and Cowboys Zoners wouldn't be able to readily guess which belonged to Romo and which belonged to Dak.

Yet - over the past few years - we've seen a stunning turnaround. The exact same posters here who criticized Romo, "It's wins that count, not stats" - now suddenly defend Dak by touting his stats and also saying, "A quarterback can't win by himself, it's a team game." And the exact same posters who defended Romo by saying "a quarterback can't win by himself" suddenly now criticize Dak "it's wins that count, not stats."

What gives? It's a strange, bizarre, hypocrisy.
I have a love/hate relationship with both. I am a fan of team first, not a particular player. One criticism I have with both is they didn't start fast enough in games. Also, neither seems to take advantage of 3 and outs by our defense. Now the statistics my prove me wrong, but it feels like it. I was ready to move on from Dak before last season. He grew by leaps and bounds last year. Hope to see the same level improvement this season, if we have one.
 
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