Video: Jesse Holley totally destroys Jason Garrett and exposes him even further!

Streetwise said:

Guys, I apologize for my sarcasm.

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Bazinga.

HotDog37 said:

I think he will do the same thing in NY that he did in Dallas. He will usurp the current NYG HC within 2 years.

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I don't. I think both he and Judge will get that same two year deal that all of the recent failed Giants head coaching hires get before they're all out and the team cleans house again.

Garrett would actually have to earn the job to get it somewhere else, and that's not going to happen.

garyo1954 said:

Its actually the same logic you used to cherry picked and support your prejudice of Garrett. Had Hoo-Hoo Holley said anything positive of his almost two years with the Cowboy's coach let's just bet you wouldn't have posted anything.

Jerry could give you a different/better perspective on Garrett having known him many more years than your cherry picked idol. Assuming you realize you can't get to know a person in a short time (couple of years), the way you would if you knew them say 20 years.

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Knowing a person for 20 years is probably the reason JG lasted 5 years too long. Jerry loved Garrett and he was the one that Jerry was going to shove in the NFLs face if he won the superbowl. His handpicked, former Cowboy, first time hc, in others words his Tom Landry. Thats why he let JG last so long, it was Jerry's ego.

As a man, if former players say great things about him i'll take their word because I don't know him to say anything different.

After the results on the field I'll have to take any praise JG gets as a coach with a grain of salt. Ill listen to the Holleys of the world on that because it mirrors what i saw on Sundays.

birdwells1 said:

Knowing a person for 20 years is probably the reason JG lasted 5 years too long. Jerry loved Garrett and he was the one that Jerry was going to shove in the NFLs face if he won the superbowl. His handpicked, former Cowboy, first time hc, in others words his Tom Landry. Thats why he let JG last so long, it was Jerry's ego.

As a man, if former players say great things about him i'll take their word because I don't know him to say anything different.

After the results on the field I'll have to take any praise JG gets as a coach with a grain of salt. Ill listen to the Holleys of the world on that because it mirrors what i saw on Sundays.

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You get fluff from the players who know better than to tell the truth, you get truth from the ones who don't.

Garrett may be a joke but that would make Jesse a barnacle living on the *** of a joke.

cern said:

Most great coaches are leaders of men. Landry, Jimmy, lombardy, halas, shula, gibbs, the list is long. Garrett was never a leader of men. Not by example, not by ability.

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Welcome to that opinion.

As is, also, people who actually played for him.

Travis Frederick, for example.

That's not to pretend that #1-#53 had the same regard for JG... practically no coach ever gets something close to unanimous acclaim. You mention Landry... that maybe especially goes for Tom Landry who even today, many years since, still takes the occasional shot from former players of his.

We're fans. We have our impressions, framed by what is on public display. But we're not there for practices, we have no insight into things that are done and said at meetings or in film rooms or in the cafeteria at The Star, nor secret audio of phone calls between coaches and players.

We should talk like we have enough insight to understand our insight is limited. Far more limited than a Travis Frederick, for example.

We should. But some of us have our grinding axes, and have our need to hate on people who we think we're smarter than but that have been given coaching jobs that we are lock certain rightfully should have been offered to us. Even 5 months later, after the guy is gone. That, on its own, says everything that actually needs to be said on this topic.

A handful of us have been saying this on here for nearly a decade.

HotDog37 said:

I think he will do the same thing in NY that he did in Dallas. He will usurp the current NYG HC within 2 years.

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I agree with you 100%. I don't think he can help himself.

_sturt_ said:

Welcome to that opinion.

As is, also, people who actually played for him.

Travis Frederick, for example.

That's not to pretend that #1-#53 had the same regard for JG... practically no coach ever gets something close to unanimous acclaim. You mention Landry... that maybe especially goes for Tom Landry who even today, many years since, still takes the occasional shot from former players of his.

We're fans. We have our impressions, framed by what is on public display. But we're not there for practices, we have no insight into things that are done and said at meetings or in film rooms or in the cafeteria at The Star, nor secret audio of phone calls between coaches and players.

We should talk like we have enough insight to understand our insight is limited. Far more limited than a Travis Frederick, for example.

We should. But some of us have our grinding axes, and have our need to hate on people who we think we're smarter than but that have been given coaching jobs that we are lock certain rightfully should have been offered to us. Even 5 months later, after the guy is gone. That, on its own, says everything that actually needs to be said on this topic.

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Ooh! "5 months!"

Forget that people had to endure 10 years- plus of the guy being an anchor on this team.

But yeah, "5 months" later, some people can't handle talking about him.

Easy fix - avoid threads with his name on it before your fragile sensibilities are offended.

@stasheroo , first, let me be the first to say, we agree that anyone who tries to push the idea that people shouldn't talk about X or Y on the basis that s/he is tired of seeing X or Y discussed should receive the same response you just gave... ie, "then simply don't click on the thread that you say you're not interested to read or participate in."

But, so, that's a strawman response, though, to what I just said. Not sure if you picked up on it, but I didn't tell anyone to not discuss JG.

What I did, where it concerns your response anyhow, is that I observed that, in different but similar words, it's a not-so-flattering reflection on posters who, it's clear, are still renting space to JG in their heads five weeks... er.... no... five months... about 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.... 139, 140, 141, 142, 143, 144, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 150 days after he got gone.

But what I spent more of my time doing in that and previous posts was just encouraging a balanced approach, and some appropriate humility given that no one's ever asked me to be even a college head coach (nor you or my other peers here, I assume?), and some recognition of the limitations of what mere mortals on the outside actually are capable of knowing, and some golden rule treatment of this person... no different than I would argue for any other person.

_sturt_ said:

@stasheroo , first, let me be the first to say, we agree that anyone who tries to push the idea that people shouldn't talk about X or Y on the basis that s/he is tired of seeing X or Y discussed should receive the same response you just gave... ie, "then simply don't click on the thread that you say you're not interested to read or participate in."

But, so, that's a strawman response, though, to what I just said. Not sure if you picked up on it, but I didn't tell anyone to not discuss JG.

What I did, where it concerns your response anyhow, is that I observed that, in different but similar words, it's a not-so-flattering reflection on posters who, it's clear, are still renting space to JG in their heads five weeks... er.... no... five months... about 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15.... 139, 140, 141, 142, 143, 144, 145, 146, 147, 148, 149, 150 days after he got gone.

But what I spent more of my time doing in that and previous posts was just encouraging a balanced approach, and some appropriate humility given that no one's ever asked me to be even a college head coach (nor you or my other peers here, I assume?), and some recognition of the limitations of what mere mortals on the outside actually are capable of knowing, and some golden rule treatment of this person... no different than I would argue for any other person.

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I can appreciate your point without sharing it. After ten years of having to be 'patient' with Garrett, I can't blame anyone for wanting to vent. Certainly not as someone who was ultimately proven right about him and his staff for years. I can respect who Garrett appears to be as a person while still being highly critical of the job he did as a head coach. After ten years and countless wasted opportunities, the frustration is justified in my view. As I mentioned, fans had to put up with him for years, if they want to vent about that, I say let 'em!

johneric8 said:

I agree with you 100%. I don't think he can help himself.

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If that means he's dumber'n a toad w/ cataracts, I agree.

_sturt_ said:

Welcome to that opinion.

As is, also, people who actually played for him.

Travis Frederick, for example.

That's not to pretend that #1-#53 had the same regard for JG... practically no coach ever gets something close to unanimous acclaim. You mention Landry... that maybe especially goes for Tom Landry who even today, many years since, still takes the occasional shot from former players of his.

We're fans. We have our impressions, framed by what is on public display. But we're not there for practices, we have no insight into things that are done and said at meetings or in film rooms or in the cafeteria at The Star, nor secret audio of phone calls between coaches and players.

We should talk like we have enough insight to understand our insight is limited. Far more limited than a Travis Frederick, for example.

We should. But some of us have our grinding axes, and have our need to hate on people who we think we're smarter than but that have been given coaching jobs that we are lock certain rightfully should have been offered to us. Even 5 months later, after the guy is gone. That, on its own, says everything that actually needs to be said on this topic.

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Well, this is a rare sight in these parts.

HotDog37 said:

I think he will do the same thing in NY that he did in Dallas. He will usurp the current NYG HC within 2 years.

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johneric8 said:

I agree with you 100%. I don't think he can help himself.

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if it was just as easy as amps OC making that decision there would be a lot of OC’s doing that. That’s not how it works. Dallas was different because Jerry already had Jason earmarked as his head coach in waiting. The Giants may not have that same plan.

Just as I mentioned in the post about Witten, it is fair to criticize the coaching of Jason Garrett, i certainly had some of my own.

However, Jason is former Cowboy with 3 Super Bowl rings. He was a backup but his presense at QB meetings and practices contributed to the teams success.

There were times that Jason was called on to play and his participation did not detriment the Cowboys success. Perhaps he didnt play at a Pro Bowl level but he always played within his abilities and limited any negative plays. As a starter he was 5-3 for the Cowboys.

Against the Packers on Thanksgiving 1984 he passed for over 300 yards in q victory.

Again, he deserves criticism as a coach but due to his playing career, he should have earned enough respect from Cowboy fans not to be subjected to vicious personal attacks and insults. He was one of our guys.

There should be enough respect and some gratitude of the Cowboy fans to treat him with proper civility. If not, then that says far more about us a fans then it does about Garrett's tenure as HC.

birdwells1 said:

Knowing a person for 20 years is probably the reason JG lasted 5 years too long. Jerry loved Garrett and he was the one that Jerry was going to shove in the NFLs face if he won the superbowl. His handpicked, former Cowboy, first time hc, in others words his Tom Landry. Thats why he let JG last so long, it was Jerry's ego.

As a man, if former players say great things about him i'll take their word because I don't know him to say anything different.

After the results on the field I'll have to take any praise JG gets as a coach with a grain of salt. Ill listen to the Holleys of the world on that because it mirrors what i saw on Sundays.

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The other part of this equation is that Garrett was fine with being stripped of authority and power. Most coaches would have thrown a fit and demanded respect when the owner/gm removed play calling and then say in which coaches were going to be hired from time to time.

The great ones never would have tolerated that. Garrett did and that is a big part of why he stayed around so long. Jerry kept him here and tried to win with the assistant coaches doing the x and o work.

Garrett's main focus was being the spokesperson. That is a perfect fit for the Jones family.

I remember Terance Newman saying on the postgame after the loss at NY in 2011 to end the season, Jason Garrett gave the best pregame speech he had ever heard then we let him down and lost the game.

Not really sure what I think of McCarthy to be honest but I have to think that if Dallas misses the playoffs this year and next year and Jerry tells the media that he is changing the offense and bringing in new coaches and McCarthy will be a "walk around" coach going forward well McCarthy probably would not want to be here. In a sense McCarthy is that in a way already except right now he has all the power...these are his coaches and no matter what is said it will be his offense. No way he is going to lose games and just shrug his shoulders if moore is a disaster. I think that was the situation with Garrett.

OmerV said:

We all know Garrett wasn't an effective coach, but Holly was a minimally talented player that no other team even considered worthy of a practice squad spot and only barely sniffed the sidelines, much less the playing field, during his very brief stint with the Cowboys - and all he saw was the first 1 1/2 years of Garrett's time as head coach. Far and away most players have said they respect Garrett personally, even if they recognize he wasn't as effective as he needed to be as a coach.

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Part of the reason why Holley was in the league was due to Garretts poor evaluation of talent. Only thing worse for jason was using a guys talent.

Zekeats said:

Part of the reason why Holley was in the league was due to Garretts poor evaluation of talent. Only thing worse for jason was using a guys talent.

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Probably true. Holley is biting the only hand that gave him a chance in the NFL.

johneric8 said:

Yes, but many don't really understand the extent of the dysfunction. There are still tons of guys on this forum that blame the players and don't give Garrett enough credit for the failures of our team as a whole. All I'm saying is that Holley really spelled everything out in a way that I've seen no one on here do. He breaks stuff down very candidly.

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Garrett is gone and you need to let it go and move on. What Garrett did or didn't do while in Dallas has been extremely well documented here but to give any credence to what a player who's biggest accomplishment in football was winning Michael Irvin's reality game show 4th and Long and couldn't even make it on a Canadian football team and in between attempts to make an NFL team he was a security guard and sold cell phones. If this wasn't someone who wasn't looking to blame for he not having the NFL career he always dream of he would, he would be believable. Garrett is not one of my favorite coaches but to continue to whine about him now when he's not here any more is a pretty good sign of an obsession..
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johneric8 said:

Yes, but many don't really understand the extent of the dysfunction. There are still tons of guys on this forum that blame the players and don't give Garrett enough credit for the failures of our team as a whole. All I'm saying is that Holley really spelled everything out in a way that I've seen no one on here do. He breaks stuff down very candidly.

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I think most know Garrett fell short as a coach. If there is anyone that doesn't believe that he/she doesn't represent "tons" of people. As for level of dysfunction, what does it matter? Garrett is gone, and that is a fruitless debate because outside of team results almost everything else is based on speculation, and can only be presented as an opinion. Why waste time on that? The man is gone.