Twitter: Most completions of 30+ yards during last 2 seasons

tomsanders921 · May 17, 2020

Irvin88_4life said:
Beasley had his best year when Dak threw to him, Witten scored his first playoff TD from Dak, Cooper has played much better since getting with Dak....... how is that not elevating players around him

Beasley had better numbers last year with Buffalo than he did with dak.

Wittens first playoff td doesn't really mean anything. Big deal.

Cooper had almost 1200 yards last year. He had over a thousand in each of his first two seasons in the league with Oakland. Not all that much better. He feasted on bad teams.... And the eagles.

Irvin88_4life · May 17, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
There aren't only two. So what type of receiver was Bease when he led the team in reception yards?

What was it you said....... you said something, I corrected you but now you want me to prove it? Just admit you were wrong and move on.... that's something else you said Haha

Irvin88_4life · May 17, 2020

tomsanders921 said:
Beasley had better numbers last year with Buffalo than he did with dak.

Wittens first playoff td doesn't really mean anything. Big deal.

Cooper had almost 1200 yards last year. He had over a thousand in each of his first two seasons in the league with Oakland. Not all that much better. He feasted on bad teams.... And the eagles.

Beasley had more receptions and yards in 2016 however he did have 1 more TD with buffalo compared to 2016. I think the more receptions and yards shows the better year despite 1 less TD

SteveTheCowboy · May 17, 2020

Irvin88_4life said:
What was it you said....... you said something, I corrected you but now you want me to prove it? Just admit you were wrong and move on.... that's something else you said Haha

I said Bease was the "check down",....NOT the long range. You accused me of SAYING there are only two types of receivers. I never said there were only two types.

Being in the slot where Bease likes to be is...a check down of sorts...depending on the play called.

You keep changing the argument so you THINK you look like the winner. Have at it tough guy.

SteveTheCowboy · May 17, 2020

Irvin88_4life said:
Beasley had more receptions and yards in 2016 however he did have 1 more TD with buffalo compared to 2016. I think the more receptions and yards shows the better year despite 1 less TD

This is the foolery of stats. You can pick one to prove a point...but it doesn't really tell the real story. TD are great...but if you get yards and 1st downs.... to keep the team moving and clock running.... then those stats are more critical. Like Zeke's.

tomsanders921 · May 17, 2020

Irvin88_4life said:
Beasley had more receptions and yards in 2016 however he did have 1 more TD with buffalo compared to 2016. I think the more receptions and yards shows the better year despite 1 less TD

Everything was better in 2016. Dak was better. Zeke was better. OLine play was better. And that team won games in the clutch. Last year it seemed like everything was just stay padding at meaningless times. The whole team was awful in meaningful situations last year.

Irvin88_4life · May 17, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
I said Bease was the "check down",....NOT the long range. You accused me of SAYING there are only two types of receivers. I never said there were only two types.

Being in the slot where Bease likes to be is...a check down of sorts...depending on the play called.

You keep changing the argument so you THINK you look like the winner. Have at it tough guy.

But yet he averaged over 11 yards per catch. You said check down and long range receiver....... by the way long range receiver isn't even a correct "position"

Irvin88_4life · May 17, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
SO he wasn't the check down lower tier receiver? He was actually the long range receiver? I guess you are right....I never watched all the games you saw that happen in.

This is what you wrote......... read it again carefully

Irvin88_4life · May 17, 2020

Cowboy Lover said:
This is the foolery of stats. You can pick one to prove a point...but it doesn't really tell the real story. TD are great...but if you get yards and 1st downs.... to keep the team moving and clock running.... then those stats are more critical. Like Zeke's.

I agree with you at this point. Beasley had his best year with Dak so this myth that he doesn't elevate players is that, a myth.

Irvin88_4life · May 17, 2020

tomsanders921 said:
Everything was better in 2016. Dak was better. Zeke was better. OLine play was better. And that team won games in the clutch. Last year it seemed like everything was just stay padding at meaningless times. The whole team was awful in meaningful situations last year.

Dak elevated Beasley has nothing to do with a year he wasn't on the team or when the team quit on Garrett.

As far as stat padding at meaningless times is incorrect. Most of Daks yards came in the 2nd quarter

tomsanders921 · May 17, 2020

Irvin88_4life said:
Dak elevated Beasley has nothing to do with a year he wasn't on the team or when the team quit on Garrett.

As far as stat padding at meaningless times is incorrect. Most of Daks yards came in the 2nd quarter

Whatever you have to tell yourself. Dak was not good last year in clutch situations. Too many times the games were out of hand before he started doing anything.

Irvin88_4life · May 17, 2020

tomsanders921 said:
Whatever you have to tell yourself. Dak was not good last year in clutch situations. Too many times the games were out of hand before he started doing anything.

The entire team wasn't good because they quit on Garrett. They led the league in drops, Dak can't throw and make the catch.

He got most his yards in the second quarter, that proves you're wrong that he didn't do anything until the game was out of hand. Tons of blame on defense for not stopping a nose bleed or the terrible field position and special teams play.

Plenty of blame to go around but those that are putting Dak at the top of that blame is insane. Was the least to blame

America's Cowboy · May 17, 2020

tomsanders921 said:
He has great numbers. Nobody can dispute that. But he didn't play well against winning teams last year. He piled up stats against bad teams and also once games were already out of hand.

I think hes a good QB, but he doesn't seem to elevate anyone around him.

Any very good QB would be hard pressed to "elevate" their team to wins, especially against good teams, when your team in 2019:

Led the league in dropped passes (51)
Defense led the league in missed tackles
Kicker led the league in missed FGs
Special Teams was ranked dead last
Had Garrett & his coaches coaching that team

This is what many of you are not taking into account. Our Cowboys were lucky to finish 8-8 and be within a game win against the Eagles from winning the NFC East and making the playoffs come Week 16 of the 2019 season.

What did the Eagles do in the Wildcard (1st round) game of the playoffs? They stunk, lost and proved they didn't belong there. Cowboys should have been there had the many mistakes labeled above ( • ) ^^^^ been better.

Let's stop with the "he doesn't elevate anyone around him" Dak baloney already. It's a bunch of bunk. Not even Mahomes, Wilson, Brees or other top QBs could have carried their team to the playoffs if their teams led the league with so many mistakes.

CalPolyTechnique · May 17, 2020

America's Cowboy said:
Any very good QB would be hard pressed to "elevate" their team to wins, especially against good teams, when your team in 2019:

Led the league in dropped passes (51)

Defense led the league in missed tackles

Kicker led the league in missed FGs

Special Teams was ranked dead last

Had Garrett & his coaches coaching that team

This is what many of you are not taking into account. Our Cowboys were lucky to finish 8-8 and be within a game win against the Eagles from winning the NFC East and making the playoffs come Week 16 of the 2019 season.

What did the Eagles do in the Wildcard (1st round) game of the playoffs? They stunk, lost and proved they didn't belong there. Cowboys should have been there had the many mistakes labeled above ( • ) ^^^^ been better.

Let's stop with the "he doesn't elevate anyone around him" Dak baloney already. It's a bunch of bunk. Not even Mahomes, Wilson, Brees or other top QBs could have carried their team to the playoffs if their teams led the league with so many mistakes.

I see a lot of excuse making for someone that loves to trot out Dak’s supposed “QB W/L record.”

tomsanders921 · May 17, 2020

America's Cowboy said:
Any very good QB would be hard pressed to "elevate" their team to wins, especially against good teams, when your team in 2019:

Led the league in dropped passes (51)

Defense led the league in missed tackles

Kicker led the league in missed FGs

Special Teams was ranked dead last

Had Garrett & his coaches coaching that team

This is what many of you are not taking into account. Our Cowboys were lucky to finish 8-8 and be within a game win against the Eagles from winning the NFC East and making the playoffs come Week 16 of the 2019 season.

What did the Eagles do in the Wildcard (1st round) game of the playoffs? They stunk, lost and proved they didn't belong there. Cowboys should have been there had the many mistakes labeled above ( • ) ^^^^ been better.

Let's stop with the "he doesn't elevate anyone around him" Dak baloney already. It's a bunch of bunk. Not even Mahomes, Wilson, Brees or other top QBs could have carried their team to the playoffs if their teams led the league with so many mistakes.

Dak has had the luxury of playing the the NFC east as well. Not making the playoffs with that division last year is inexcusable. I get all the other variables. But in the biggest game of the season he was absolute garbage against the eagles. The defense was bad too, but if the offense scored just one td they win that game.

I get it. It's not all on Dak. But if I'm going to hand out the biggest contract in league history in terms of annual salary I want a top two or three QB. That is not dak.

OmerV · May 17, 2020

tomsanders921 said:
Dak has had the luxury of playing the the NFC east as well. Not making the playoffs with that division last year is inexcusable. I get all the other variables. But in the biggest game of the season he was absolute garbage against the eagles. The defense was bad too, but if the offense scored just one td they win that game.

I get it. It's not all on Dak. But if I'm going to hand out the biggest contract in league history in terms of annual salary I want a top two or three QB. That is not dak.

So, last year he didn’t do what was needed to get the team to the playoffs. In 2016 and 2018 he did. So, are we making decisions only on the most recent year, or on what the team feels from looking at his a career?
As for what a fan might want for the salary, your expectation isn’t reality. Garoppolo wasn’t top 2-3 (or 15-16 for that matter) when he signed his a few years ago, nor was Cousins. And the bar has been raised higher since.

I would love a top 2-3 QB too, but those aren’t available, and the rest of the NFL has to compete for the best of the rest, and that’s what drives up prices.

America's Cowboy · May 17, 2020

tomsanders921 said:
Dak has had the luxury of playing the the NFC east as well. Not making the playoffs with that division last year is inexcusable. I get all the other variables. But in the biggest game of the season he was absolute garbage against the eagles. The defense was bad too, but if the offense scored just one td they win that game.

I get it. It's not all on Dak. But if I'm going to hand out the biggest contract in league history in terms of annual salary I want a top two or three QB. That is not dak.

Did you take into account the "6" dropped passes during that Eagles game last December? Count them...6! Is that Dak's fault? What about Pollard's fumble inside the Eagles 30 yard line? Is that Dak's fault as well? That's easily 2 TD scoring opportunities thrown down the drain. Is that Dak's fault?

Some people should THINK before they post.

America's Cowboy · May 17, 2020

CalPolyTechnique said:
I see a lot of excuse making for someone that loves to trot out Dak’s supposed “QB W/L record.”

The TRUTH hurts, eh?

You can't refute those FACTS, so you come out with some junior high comment. Typical.

CalPolyTechnique · May 17, 2020

America's Cowboy said:
The TRUTH hurts, eh?

You can't refute those FACTS, so you come out with some junior high comment. Typical.

So I’ll take your strange response as a “yes,” you do a whole lotta excuse making for Dak to explain away the losses on his “QB W/L record.”

Like I’ve said previously, Dak Boyz think Dak went 8-0 last season while the Cowboys went 0-8.

America's Cowboy · May 17, 2020

CalPolyTechnique said:
So I’ll take your strange response as a “yes,” you do a whole lotta excuse making for Dak to explain away the losses on his “QB W/L record.”

They are called FACTS. The TRUTH.

Some people can handle the truth. It's obvious you can't.

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