Jarwin should be a big upgrade over 2019 Witten

OmerV · May 17, 2020

jnday said:
Jarwin has had every chance to prove that he is a starting quality TE, but he has yet to prove it. I think he is a pass catching TE that doesn’t have the skills to be an all around starter. He made some big plays last year which causes him to be vastly overrated around here, even if he can’t block.

How has he had every chance when he hasn’t been given the snaps? This year it appears he will be, and if so a year from now we can discuss Jarwin in that context.

JoeKing · May 17, 2020

DeathMonkey said:
Source for this?

Witten rubbed me the wrong way when he left after the draft for a broadcasting position then came crawling back after he stunk it up in the booth. He was a fantastic TE that is definitely shoe-in for HoF, but his better days were behind him. Yes, he was still better at blocking, but every rep he got hampered the progress and learning of the guys behind him.

They talked about it during one of the Cowboys media podcasts right after we found out Witten was joining the Raiders. I don't remember which one it was. He rubbed a lot of fans the wrong way when he "retired" out of the blue. By the end of last season, he was a shell of his former pro bowl self. He didn't belong in Dallas anymore so it was a good move on his part to move on to the Raiders. But his blocking was always better than Jarwins... just for the record.

plasticman · May 17, 2020

I have seen this often here and other Cowboy forums.

Why is it that so many will love a cowboy player for what they can do when they are in their prime and then personally insult and practically despise them during their declining skills?

Witten can no longer do what he could while he was a Pro Bowl TE and criticizing his level of contribution is fair....sad, but fair. However, the level of insults, sarcasm, and overall disrespect is a poor statement regarding the loyalty and gratitude that he has rightfully earned as a Cowboy fan.

Cowboyny · May 17, 2020

jnday said:
Jarwin has had every chance to prove that he is a starting quality TE, but he has yet to prove it. I think he is a pass catching TE that doesn’t have the skills to be an all around starter. He made some big plays last year which causes him to be vastly overrated around here, even if he can’t block.

Well he will be giving the opportunity this season as there is no longer a progress stopper in front of him.

jaybird · May 17, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Quite honestly it was hard to watch Jason Witten last season. He didn't belong on the field in any aspect. The offense should dramatically improve with him now in Las Vegas:

-Opposing teams didn't fear Witten what so ever. They knew he could no longer beat teams up the seam, getting any kind of yards after the catch and more of a liability as an inline blocker.

-Jarwin maybe never become an asset as a inline blocker at the position, but has legitimate receiving skills that opposing defenses must account for. He is going to see the most favorable match-ups within the entire offense and should finally breakout this season with more opportunities. We saw a glimpse of what he can do in a larger role during the season finale two years ago against the Giants.

There will be more big plays from the TE position-no doubt, but “better” remains to be seen

Cowboyny · May 17, 2020

JoeKing said:
WRONG... make up crap up. Witten is still a better blocking TE than any TE on the Cowboys roster.

He once was a very good positional blocker, but not any longer. No, if he was on the roster this year, Bell would be the team's best run blocker. Nothing against Witten and is tremendous career as a Cowboy, but he is no longer a quality starter in this league.

OmerV · May 17, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Well he will be giving the opportunity this season as there is no longer a progress stopper in front of him.

Witten wasn’t a progress stopper, the coaches were. Witten wanted to play, but the coaches decide playing time.

Cowboyny · May 17, 2020

jaybird said:
There will be more big plays from the TE position-no doubt, but “better” remains to be seen

Teams have to account for a Jarwin, where they don't for a 2020 version of Jason Witten.

Cowboyny · May 17, 2020

OmerV said:
Witten wasn’t a progress stopper, the coaches were. Witten wanted to play, but the coaches decide playing time.

Maybe that's why MM wanted no part of him, as he had very close ties no only with the prior coaches, but also with the ownership.

OmerV · May 17, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Maybe that's why MM wanted no part of him, as he had very close ties no only with the prior coaches, but also with the ownership.

I don’t know that MM actually did want no part of him. It may well be that he would like to have had Witten, but was unwilling to commit to Witten having a prominent role, so Witten went somewhere he could get more playing time.

gimmesix · May 17, 2020

Cowboyny said:
Quite honestly it was hard to watch Jason Witten last season. He didn't belong on the field in any aspect. The offense should dramatically improve with him now in Las Vegas:

-Opposing teams didn't fear Witten what so ever. They knew he could no longer beat teams up the seam, getting any kind of yards after the catch and more of a liability as an inline blocker.

-Jarwin maybe never become an asset as a inline blocker at the position, but has legitimate receiving skills that opposing defenses must account for. He is going to see the most favorable match-ups within the entire offense and should finally breakout this season with more opportunities. We saw a glimpse of what he can do in a larger role during the season finale two years ago against the Giants.

We're kind of hanging our hat on that one game, but it's possible that that game was the aberration for him and he's just a backup receiving tight end. It's possible that Jarwin didn't really deserve a bigger role because while he can make bigger plays, he can't make the little ones consistently enough.

Teams didn't fear Witten, but he remained good at making the little plays from down to down. He just couldn't make the big plays anymore.

I hope Jarwin proves that the coaches were wrong to play Witten ahead of him, but until he does, starting tight end remains one of the biggest question marks for me. Maybe Jarwin just needed a real chance and maybe he's a player who will at times make you think he should be starting but mostly be a non-factor or even hurt the team overall with poor blocking and the inability to make himself a consistent outlet.

starfan1 · May 17, 2020

plasticman said:
I have seen this often here and other Cowboy forums.

Why is it that so many will love a cowboy player for what they can do when they are in their prime and then personally insult and practically despise them during their declining skills?

Witten can no longer do what he could while he was a Pro Bowl TE and criticizing his level of contribution is fair....sad, but fair. However, the level of insults, sarcasm, and overall disrespect is a poor statement regarding the loyalty and gratitude that he has rightfully earned as a Cowboy fan.

Well it’s not his fault it’s the coaching staffs for sticking with him but Witten on the field was a progress stopper and his competitiveness wouldn’t allow him to see it.

Witten will always be a fav of mine but he should have retired after the 16 season

ABQCOWBOY · May 17, 2020

Well, if we go with a FB, do you see a TE even being on the field? Do you see a role for the TE with the WRs we have one? Honestly, the minute CDL was taken, I saw not big production out of the TE spot, to be honest. Heck, Jarwin might not even be the starter at TE if you really think about it. I could see the team going with a better inline blocker if we go with a 3 WR set or a FB. I can honestly see that happening.

nalam · May 17, 2020

Cowboyny said:
-Opposing teams didn't fear Witten what so ever. They knew he could no longer beat teams up the seam, getting any kind of yards after the catch and more of a liability as an inline blocker.
.

I respect Witt , but was happy to see him retire , he wasnt bringing any thing in yards after catch dept even before retirement , the play call for 4 yards when its 3&6 didnt help either , LOL.
When he came out of retirement , his blocking was also not the same. I dont know why he wants to play again and (raiders , yuck) , any how , Jarwin showed some glimpses when TE1, Lamb addition should help also , but he has to work on blocking , other wise teams will know and outscheme.

speedkilz88 · May 17, 2020

Cowboys believe in Jarwin

Blake Jarwin
CONTRACT TERMS:
4 yr(s) / $22,000,000
SIGNING BONUS$4,000,000
AVERAGE SALARY$5,500,000
GTD AT SIGN:$6,250,000
TOTAL GTD:$9,250,000
FREE AGENT:2024 / UFA

Jason Witten
CONTRACT TERMS:
1 yr(s) / $4,000,000
SIGNING BONUS-
AVERAGE SALARY$4,000,000
GTD AT SIGN:$3,500,000
TOTAL GTD:$3,500,000
FREE AGENT:2021 / UFA

TexasBoys2288 · May 17, 2020

big dog cowboy said:
JWit was The Man but he shouldn't have come back. The Cowboys have been blessed at TE through the years and I'm anxious to see what Jarwin can do being TE1 now. The potential is definitely there.

I liked Witten a lot, but he is over the hill. Jarwin I like too, but he needs to improve his blocking skills.

Blackspider214 · May 17, 2020

Section446 said:
We could have plucked a lot of guys off the street and had them be upgrades over Witten the past few years, he's the posterchild for what's wrong with our front office.

T.O. and Martellus Bennett spoke on this but many dismissed it because of their reputations. Witten was nothing but a teacher's pet. He got preferential treatment. He hamstringed this offense for some years. He retires and comes back and gets his full time job back with no competition. As long as he was here, no other TE on this roster would ever develop. Look at how much Bennett flourished after he left.

Having a TE who can stretch the field is a huge asset. Chiefs and Niners both had them in Kelce and Kittle. Patriots had Gronk for years. Look at how NE struggled in their terms without Gronk. And there's others around the league. Ravens have one. It's a mismatch and it makes the defense loosen up.Opens up so much. Witten was nothing more than a guy who ran 3-4 yard routes and does nothing after the catch. Defenses don't even need to cover him. He was no real contributor. Nothing but empty stats.

Garrett, Marinelli and Witten being gone will help us so much. And Jeff Heath. All were cancers.

JoeKing · May 17, 2020

Cowboyny said:
He once was a very good positional blocker, but not any longer. No, if he was on the roster this year, Bell would be the team's best run blocker. Nothing against Witten and is tremendous career as a Cowboy, but he is no longer a quality starter in this league.

Bell may not even make the final roster. His scouting report says, "His job security may always be tenuous."

ABQCOWBOY · May 17, 2020

Bennett was not that good though. If you look at the stats and compare the two, Witten was consistently better. Bennett had one really good year after he left dallas in Chicago. All the others were just very average, to be honest. He played 6 more years in the NFL, after leaving Dallas and in that time, he played for like 4 different teams. Truth is, a lot of people say a lot of things about Witten but he was still a very productive player in the NFL. He was certainly better then Bennett.

CalPolyTechnique · May 17, 2020

Folks need to stop hero worshipping and realize we aren’t losing Witten circa 2009-10.

Witten put up 63 rec., 529 yards, 8.4 YPC last year.

He’s numbers have consistently been trending downward the past 3-4 seasons and his supposed superior blocking is one of the biggest myths in Cowboy fandom.

I’d wager good money Schultz could have put up those same paltry numbers if given the same snaps.

Jarwin should be a big upgrade over 2019 Witten

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