Dak is the one. Not going to change

PAPPYDOG · May 18, 2020

Redball Express said:
Give me a..

D
A
L
T
O
N

Yeah.

Frankly, Dalton is a good fit for us.

He does really well for long stretches and can look unstoppable at times.

His defenses brokedown late in games and he would have to take chances on his own to get back in the game.

Intercepts and fumbles would sink his ship.

If you watch, you will see his issues.

But his 1st 5 years or so..he was much better than Dak.

Made the playoffs like 5 years in a row. Mostly becuz of him. He was their whole team much like Romo was for us.

Can he do it now?

I think so. So I do not see the panic over Dak.

There is much more to be of concern.

At least Dalton is attending the online learning sessions.

Dak?

Having house parties.

Dalton is a better QB and much cheaper than Dak.
There dreaming here if they think Jerry and Sons will give inept Dak a massive deal.
DREAMING!!!

Bullflop · May 18, 2020

Redball Express said:
Give me a..

D
A
L
T
O
N

Yeah.

Frankly, Dalton is a good fit for us.

He does really well for long stretches and can look unstoppable at times.

His defenses brokedown late in games and he would have to take chances on his own to get back in the game.

Intercepts and fumbles would sink his ship.

If you watch, you will see his issues.

But his 1st 5 years or so..he was much better than Dak.

Made the playoffs like 5 years in a row. Mostly becuz of him. He was their whole team much like Romo was for us.

Can he do it now?

I think so. So I do not see the panic over Dak.

There is much more to be of concern.

At least Dalton is attending the online learning sessions.

Dak?

Having house parties.

If Dak refuses to accept the 5-year deal for $35 mil, I can't help but wonder if the FO would dare to withdraw their offer and start Andy?!

The major preventative might quite possibly be the factor of A. Dalton's age that would cause the Cowboys FO to be hesitant to do that.

Bullflop · May 18, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
I want proof of that offer?
Ya figured all you got is the internet rumor mill.....

I saw something yesterday that I believe was posted here to that effect . . . not sure if it could considered proof or not, though.

Ranched · May 18, 2020

Rockport · May 18, 2020

Redball Express said:
There are so many threads about DAK's contract it just boggles the mind.

To me it is not about Dak. Not directly.

Why?

Becuz our team is run by a mega-wealthy family of Jerrah and Stephen Jones.

These guys think success and money and control over same is it's own means and end.

I have no quibbles with that. More power to you.

But fans who say Dak wants too much, it will ruin the team, etc. those fans are not in the Jones's position.

For those saying move on from Dak..

what you are asking the team to do is to lose a huge amount of it's reputation to disengage from Dak over analytics.

Jerrah will not do that. Stephen might, Clay might, Big Mike would..

but Jerrah owns the team and pays everybody their fat checks.

Nobody is going to jump off the cliff to oppose Jerrah.

Jimster was the only one to ever do this and we know what happened.

So your answer is not logic equals conclusion..

it's ego vs cash sales.

Jerrah knows the Cowboys are more valuable with Dak as QB. Not Dalton.

Value and worth and buzz drives Jerrah.

So it's going to be Dak. There is no other choice to Jerrah.

I have resigned myself to this a few weeks back.

It is not about football or X's and O's.

It's about $'s and increasing wealth for them.

This will enrage some of us, make some laugh, others will post snarky posts.

But the answer is clear.

So can we please just stop all the hand-wringing and attacks on each other over viewpoint?

It's just getting repetitive and uninteresting to keep doing it.

Comment is fine.

Still plenty of time to waste on this subject.

Have at it.

You’ve created most of them. At least all the troll threads.
And what analytics are you talking about? Some talking head troll?

OmerV · May 18, 2020

Section446 said:
I'm just waiting to hear the excuses when nothing changes this year under a new coaching staff and he's still average... "well, he needs multiple years in the system to get comfortable with it."

"Well, Jarwin isn't a top 10 TE, you've got to have a top 10 TE."

"Well, you have to understand, he lost his Center, it takes multiple years to adapt to a new Center."

"Well, Zeke only gained 1,500 yards this year, he needs to put up at least 1,800 to take the pressure off Dak."

I get it if you aren't completely sold on Dak. I think he needs to improve in certain areas myself, but you mostly made this stuff up.

The Cowboys haven't had a top TE since Dak has been the QB, and that hasn't been an excuse. Nobody has said a top 10 TE is required, you just fabricated that in order to fabricate a complaint.

Same goes for Zek - nobody has said Zeke has to have 1,500 yards for Dak to be successful, much less 1,800 yards. They do say we need an effective running game, and that the failure of the running game contributes to poor games just a failure in the passing game does. How is that disputable?

And nobody has ever remotely indicated it takes years to adjust to a new center, they merely said it losing Frederick hurt the team in 2018, which was true.

ABQCOWBOY · May 18, 2020

Section446 said:
I'm just waiting to hear the excuses when nothing changes this year under a new coaching staff and he's still average... "well, he needs multiple years in the system to get comfortable with it."

"Well, Jarwin isn't a top 10 TE, you've got to have a top 10 TE."

"Well, you have to understand, he lost his Center, it takes multiple years to adapt to a new Center."

"Well, Zeke only gained 1,500 yards this year, he needs to put up at least 1,800 to take the pressure off Dak."

I don't know that we will see all of what you outline here. I mean, it wouldn't surprise me, I've seen virtually all of this stuff mentioned on this board before but still, it's not written in stone so I guess we hope for the best right?

Angus12 · May 18, 2020

Redball Express said:
There are so many threads about DAK's contract it just boggles the mind.

So, let's make one more! :laugh:

Bullflop · May 18, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
I want proof of that offer?
Ya figured all you got is the internet rumor mill.....

Wherever it was, it must have simply been a bogus tweet that was deleted. I've searched everywhere for the last hour or so and can't find it anywhere. I'm absolutely sure I actually read it and it said exactly what I relayed to you and Redball. My sincere apologies to you both for the bogus info. I had spent practically all day yesterday on many different sites and it's nowhere to be found. Gotta admit -- I'm thoroughly embarrassed.

gjkoeppen · May 18, 2020

Redball Express said:
There are so many threads about DAK's contract it just boggles the mind.
To me it is not about Dak. Not directly.
Why?
Becuz our team is run by a mega-wealthy family of Jerrah and Stephen Jones.
These guys think success and money and control over same is it's own means and end.
I have no quibbles with that. More power to you.
But fans who say Dak wants too much, it will ruin the team, etc. those fans are not in the Jones's position.
For those saying move on from Dak..
what you are asking the team to do is to lose a huge amount of it's reputation to disengage from Dak over analytics.
Jerrah will not do that. Stephen might, Clay might, Big Mike would..
but Jerrah owns the team and pays everybody their fat checks.
Nobody is going to jump off the cliff to oppose Jerrah.
Jimster was the only one to ever do this and we know what happened.
So your answer is not logic equals conclusion..
it's ego vs cash sales.
Jerrah knows the Cowboys are more valuable with Dak as QB. Not Dalton.
Value and worth and buzz drives Jerrah.
So it's going to be Dak. There is no other choice to Jerrah.
I have resigned myself to this a few weeks back.
It is not about football or X's and O's.
It's about $'s and increasing wealth for them.
This will enrage some of us, make some laugh, others will post snarky posts.
But the answer is clear.
So can we please just stop all the hand-wringing and attacks on each other over viewpoint?
It's just getting repetitive and uninteresting to keep doing it.
Comment is fine.
Still plenty of time to waste on this subject.
Have at it.

I don't understand 2 things. First why people have to have a spacer line in between every line in their comments and second who is Jimster?
.

Redball Express · May 18, 2020

Bullflop said:
If Dak refuses to accept the 5-year deal for $35 mil, I can't help but wonder if the FO would dare to withdraw their offer and start Andy?!

The major preventative might quite possibly be the factor of A. Dalton's age that would cause the Cowboys FO to be hesitant to do that.

D
R
A
F
T

Or

F
A

signing.

The FO has worked hard to put this team together. If it's betting the whole shebang on Dak they have to be crazy as a loon.

! think we need to be "Jack be nimble Jack be quick" and be prepared to change QBs as needed to find the answer.

Surely there are QBs who will come for part or all of DAKs Ransom and get us further than this guy.

He has caused this team to explode financially in order to support him

Jerrah has to pull his eyes off of his self-created dream of having found another diamond-in-the-rough like he did with Romo.

Stop forcing the issue and scribble a new plan other than Dak fails and we go broke as a competitive team.

gjkoeppen · May 18, 2020

Redball Express said:
Give me a..

D
A
L
T
O
N

Yeah.
Frankly, Dalton is a good fit for us.
He does really well for long stretches and can look unstoppable at times.
His defenses brokedown late in games and he would have to take chances on his own to get back in the game.
Intercepts and fumbles would sink his ship.
If you watch, you will see his issues.
But his 1st 5 years or so..he was much better than Dak.
Made the playoffs like 5 years in a row. Mostly becuz of him. He was their whole team much like Romo was for us.
Can he do it now?
I think so. So I do not see the panic over Dak.
There is much more to be of concern.
At least Dalton is attending the online learning sessions.
Dak?
Having house parties.

Let me take these one at a time. Most players were better earlier in their careers than later. Next if Dalton was still as good as you think he is then he wouldn't have been cut for a player that hasn't had a single snap in the NFL. Your statement that Dalton's first 4 years were better than Prescott's, well Dalton's best year on picks is the same as Prescott's worst year. Like I've said many times for the people that want to put all the blame on Prescott for not winning a Super Bowl, it takes more than a QB to win those, it takes a team effort. So giving Dalton all the credit for the bengals trips to the playoffs is the same thing, it's a team effort. Not to mention that your Dalton is winless in the playoffs. Lastly Dalton has even admitted that he was signed as a backup QB not as a just in case Prescott doesn't show up.
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Redball Express · May 18, 2020

Angus12 said:
So, let's make one more!

You da man.

I just got my T-shirt off eBay..

"Dak SUKS" on the front

"Jerrah is senile" on the back

Catchy eh?

Jake · May 18, 2020

Redball Express said:
There are so many threads about DAK's contract it just boggles the mind.

To me it is not about Dak. Not directly.

Why?

Becuz our team is run by a mega-wealthy family of Jerrah and Stephen Jones.

These guys think success and money and control over same is it's own means and end.

I have no quibbles with that. More power to you.

But fans who say Dak wants too much, it will ruin the team, etc. those fans are not in the Jones's position.

For those saying move on from Dak..

what you are asking the team to do is to lose a huge amount of it's reputation to disengage from Dak over analytics.

Jerrah will not do that. Stephen might, Clay might, Big Mike would..

but Jerrah owns the team and pays everybody their fat checks.

Nobody is going to jump off the cliff to oppose Jerrah.

Jimster was the only one to ever do this and we know what happened.

So your answer is not logic equals conclusion..

it's ego vs cash sales.

Jerrah knows the Cowboys are more valuable with Dak as QB. Not Dalton.

Value and worth and buzz drives Jerrah.

So it's going to be Dak. There is no other choice to Jerrah.

I have resigned myself to this a few weeks back.

It is not about football or X's and O's.

It's about $'s and increasing wealth for them.

This will enrage some of us, make some laugh, others will post snarky posts.

But the answer is clear.

So can we please just stop all the hand-wringing and attacks on each other over viewpoint?

It's just getting repetitive and uninteresting to keep doing it.

Comment is fine.

Still plenty of time to waste on this subject.

Have at it.

Then again, maybe what the Cowboys say publicly about Dak is really what they think of him as a QB?

Are you familiar with Occam's Razor?

csirl · May 18, 2020

There are a number of Things at play. Dak was very much Garrett's QB. It's very obvious, with the benefit of hindsight, that JJ decides to sweat the coaching staff contracts last year. He was seeking out MM or someone similar alll along.

In this context, I dont think there were any serious attempts to resign Dak by the Cowboys last season. GM 101 says you dont extend a QB if you know your changing coach - the new coaching staff will likely want to pick their QB.

MMs appointment was a game changer re: Dak. It's obvious he's not convinced - the tag is evidence of this. Bringing in another vet is also a sign.

Back to JJ. Again, GM 101 says you dont give a QB a huge extension to play in a system he has no history with and under a new coaching staff if you dont have to. Dallas dont have to make a decision on Dak until March 2021. Risk/reward says your more likely to have a bust than success.

So, based on the above, there is no reason to suggest the Cowboys will make any meaningful effort to sign Dak until they see how 2020 works out.

Then we have the JJ "PT Barnum" persona factor. JJ has talked up Dak - in the same way he's talked up every other Cowboys QB in the past. He's not going to suddenly turn around and say "we're unsure about Dak". From a PR perspective it's better to let the season play out and say "ah shucks.....didn't work out...but we've got a new QB [insert replacement for 2021] who's the best etc etc........roll up roll up and get your new #[insert number] jersey..."

Redball Express · May 18, 2020

Jake said:
Then again, maybe what the Cowboys say publicly about Dak is really what they think of him as a QB?

Are you familiar with Occam's Razor?

No I am not.

Is he a Dak Lover or Dak Hater?

Bullflop · May 18, 2020

Redball Express said:
D
R
A
F
T

Or

F
A

signing.

The FO has worked hard to put this team together. If it's betting the whole shebang on Dak they have to be crazy as a loon.

! think we need to be "Jack be nimble Jack be quick" and be prepared to change QBs as needed to find the answer.

Surely there are QBs who will come for part or all of DAKs Ransom and get us further than this guy.

He has caused this team to explode financially in order to support him

Jerrah has to pull his eyes off of his self-created dream of having found another diamond-in-the-rough like he did with Romo.

Stop forcing the issue and scribble a new plan other than Dak fails and we go broke as a competitive team.

Redball Express -- my most sincere apology is in order . . .

I got my info on that 5-year offer of $35 million from the Cowboys FO that was evidently a bogus tweet. Today, I spent over an hour looking for it.

When I tried to locate it today, it was nowhere to be found. Apologies on my part for believing that bogus tweet. I'm beyond being frustrated.

I looked everywhere I could on 4 different sites, including CZ, and three others that it might have come from and couldn't find it anywhere.

I'm 100% certain I saw it yesterday, as clear as day. Go figure . . . my bad for believing it.

Bullflop · May 19, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
Yes, I'm sure their very happy with the team results in the last 3 seasons!!!
That 8-8 was the cherry on the cake....I'm surprised they haven't offered Dak a lifetime contract???

I think he was still hurt in that game and played like it. Cowboys FO didn't want to expose Cooper Rush for being the slug that he is.

Rockport · May 19, 2020

PAPPYDOG said:
Dalton is a better QB and much cheaper than Dak.
There dreaming here if they think Jerry and Sons will give inept Dak a massive deal.
DREAMING!!!

You never disappoint with your golden nuggets of ignorance! Keep em coming!!! :lmao2:

America's Cowboy · May 19, 2020

Redball Express said:
There are so many threads about DAK's contract it just boggles the mind.

To me it is not about Dak. Not directly.

Why?

Becuz our team is run by a mega-wealthy family of Jerrah and Stephen Jones.

These guys think success and money and control over same is it's own means and end.

I have no quibbles with that. More power to you.

But fans who say Dak wants too much, it will ruin the team, etc. those fans are not in the Jones's position.

For those saying move on from Dak..

what you are asking the team to do is to lose a huge amount of it's reputation to disengage from Dak over analytics.

Jerrah will not do that. Stephen might, Clay might, Big Mike would..

but Jerrah owns the team and pays everybody their fat checks.

Nobody is going to jump off the cliff to oppose Jerrah.

Jimster was the only one to ever do this and we know what happened.

So your answer is not logic equals conclusion..

it's ego vs cash sales.

Jerrah knows the Cowboys are more valuable with Dak as QB. Not Dalton.

Value and worth and buzz drives Jerrah.

So it's going to be Dak. There is no other choice to Jerrah.

I have resigned myself to this a few weeks back.

It is not about football or X's and O's.

It's about $'s and increasing wealth for them.

This will enrage some of us, make some laugh, others will post snarky posts.

But the answer is clear.

So can we please just stop all the hand-wringing and attacks on each other over viewpoint?

It's just getting repetitive and uninteresting to keep doing it.

Comment is fine.

Still plenty of time to waste on this subject.

Have at it.

You still don't get it, Red. It is about X's and O's. Dak simply is way much better than you and the anti-Dakers refuse to believe.

Dak is the one. Not going to change

There are no Dak haters just Cowboy lovers!!!

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