Jarwin should be a big upgrade over 2019 Witten

I love JWitten, however, he should have retired when he couldn't crack a 5.2 40 yard dash. Three or four years ago?

jrumann59 said:

That is all he has to his resume. Great guy to sneak in there when he is like the 8th option. I think people will be disappointed, his stats will go up but expecting anything remarkable is setting up for disappointment.

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With full time snaps, his numbers will greatly improve. He will not be the team's #1 option by any means, but should be a factor in the team's passing game

Should have upgraded 3 years ago.

Love JW but too long.

Cowboyny said:

With full time snaps, his numbers will greatly improve. He will not be the team's #1 option by any means, but should be a factor in the team's passing game

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He will be bottom half of the league stats wise.

CalPolyTechnique said:

No, the point was a middling talent like Schultz could probably put up the same paltry numbers Witten did last year if given the same reps that you think is irreplaceable, lol.

That’s not speaking to Schultz’s ability but rather the declining play of Witten.

Like I said, stop thinking we’re losing Witten circa 2009.

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Oh so now you want to move the goal post from what you actually said. lol

JoeKing said:

Oh so now you want to move the goal post from what you actually said. lol

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I’m not responsible for your comprehension.

Why don’t you just quote the actual post instead of treating your paraphrasing as a fact, smh.

CalPolyTechnique said:

I’m not responsible for your comprehension.

Why don’t you just quote the actual post instead of treating your paraphrasing as a fact, smh.

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Here is what you said.

CalPolyTechnique said:

I’d wager good money Schultz could have put up those same paltry numbers if given the same snaps.

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So you are claiming his inability to get on the field is holding him back? lol

Is he now the Taco of TEs? lol

Cowboyny said:

Quite honestly it was hard to watch Jason Witten last season. He didn't belong on the field in any aspect. The offense should dramatically improve with him now in Las Vegas:

-Opposing teams didn't fear Witten what so ever. They knew he could no longer beat teams up the seam, getting any kind of yards after the catch and more of a liability as an inline blocker.

-Jarwin maybe never become an asset as a inline blocker at the position, but has legitimate receiving skills that opposing defenses must account for. He is going to see the most favorable match-ups within the entire offense and should finally breakout this season with more opportunities. We saw a glimpse of what he can do in a larger role during the season finale two years ago against the Giants.

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Depends on how you look at it.

Jarwin has now been moved down the pecking order with Cee Dee Lamb arriving.

Frankly, there are not enough snaps for the TE in this offense.

If Jarwin gets in..he will get. ,3 or 4 passes max.

Schultz is going to be blocking a good bit and helping pass protection and running Zeke.

I think that is why Jarwin got a deal with out clauses after year one.

Jarwin is expendable and we all know it.

We shall see.

Jarwin should be a big upgrade over 2019 Witten

Do you mean in the MNF booth?

Cowboyny said:

Quite honestly it was hard to watch Jason Witten last season. He didn't belong on the field in any aspect. The offense should dramatically improve with him now in Las Vegas:

-Opposing teams didn't fear Witten what so ever. They knew he could no longer beat teams up the seam, getting any kind of yards after the catch and more of a liability as an inline blocker.

-Jarwin maybe never become an asset as a inline blocker at the position, but has legitimate receiving skills that opposing defenses must account for. He is going to see the most favorable match-ups within the entire offense and should finally breakout this season with more opportunities. We saw a glimpse of what he can do in a larger role during the season finale two years ago against the Giants.

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Physically and athletically Witten couldn't be a major factor anymore. impeccable route techniques and knack for pass game, he became too limited in range and speed. was far more easier to cover. his slowness prevented certain potential big plays. just having a player sitting down in a space area in a zone wasnt gonna
do it. Oh how Mccarthy himself made the big difference in moving on away from the General to try to improve this team from a personnel point.
As far as knowing the game from a mental aspect witten is a coach on the field. as being a player on the field, his physical ability is toasted and limited this
team.

Jarwin is still a work in progress. he's basically been in spots, packages and still has limited starting experience.
even when Witten retired his one year, that left departed Geoff Swaim as the starting TE, so jarwin has never really been the starting TE without injury.Now the spot light is on him. i don't think he will ever be an more than adequate in-blocker.
But i'm also thinking MM's system may not require the TE to be assigned to blocking DEs as the Garrett system was on several occasions
when it came to in-line blocking assignments and tasks. Blake is not really a TE but more so an H-Back.

i never considered HOF'er Shannon Sharpe as a true TE but more so an H-Back.
And i'm not sure Jarwin will ever be an elite TE, one that demands game-planning and scheme devising to stop for opposing teams best chance to win.
Those special TEs like Kelce, Ertz, etc.can regularly beat even the better coverage safeties and LBs in single one on one isolations.

Remains to be seen if jarwin can become that kind of TE. His best plays have been off play action or roll outs and oddly vs Giants defenses But could he
flat up beat the better coverage defenders on a regular basis ? or will he just be that B-Tier TE ?

CalPolyTechnique said:

That’s not how that works brainiac, loool.

Nearly 3/4 of Witten’s production in half the snaps.

Go become a Raiders fan so you can watch the Jason Quitten dominate the league with his gaudy 8.4 YPC.

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umm yes it does

a player goes out and gets 30 balls in year at 20 per catch and another had=s 90 catches for 15 per. who better? the higher avg no and this isnt about Witten Brainiac its about Jarwin being backup and that all hes shown so far..without witten here his numbers were almost identical as with another then bloated NYG numbers hes done NOTHING!

SMH the light will go off one day on how limited snap layers a numbers are exaggerated given they arent fulltime..most players averages go DOWN with more tiouches..

Cowboyny said:

Here in NY I seen Evan Engram improve greatly as a run blocker. When he started as a rookie, was a major liability as a blocker. It's a skill set that can be learned with proper coaching. By the way, Engram's TE Coach was hired by the Cowboys for the same position.

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Thus I don't buy into the bull that players like Jarwin can't learn how to block. Jarwin is bigger than Kittle and Engram. So there was no reason for our coaching staff not to train him on blocking mechanics.

I believe is the philosophy that Garrett brought to Dallas. He didn't really train them on blocking mechanics because he doesn't know how to coach. Worst coach in Cowboys history.

Garrett didn't have the stones to sit Witt. He should have.

Should have been replaced by Bennett

GMO415 said:

Should have been replaced by Bennett

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What did you see in Bennett that made you think he could replace Witten?

ABQCOWBOY said:

What did you see in Bennett that made you think he could replace Witten?

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Speed. We wasted a pick on him and then other teams benefitted from our training.

GMO415 said:

Speed

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OK, but that never showed up throughout his career. Lots of guys can run fast but it takes more then that right? I mean, just look at Bennett's numbers, especially after he left Dallas. One good season, that's it. Very average at best. Guy had talent but he never really put it together, and yet, I see stuff like this all the time. Go check the stats for yourself, he wasn't very good except for one year in Chicago.

With the weapons we have at WR, Jarwin is going to have a tough time duplicating the catches and yards Witten produced last season. Everyone wants to see Pollard more and the only way he’s going to get more opportunities is as a receiver unless Zeke goes down.

quickccc said:

Physically and athletically Witten couldn't be a major factor anymore. impeccable route techniques and knack for pass game, he became too limited in range and speed. was far more easier to cover. his slowness prevented certain potential big plays. just having a player sitting down in a space area in a zone wasnt gonna
do it. Oh how Mccarthy himself made the big difference in moving on away from the General to try to improve this team from a personnel point.
As far as knowing the game from a mental aspect witten is a coach on the field. as being a player on the field, his physical ability is toasted and limited this
team.

Jarwin is still a work in progress. he's basically been in spots, packages and still has limited starting experience.
even when Witten retired his one year, that left departed Geoff Swaim as the starting TE, so jarwin has never really been the starting TE without injury.Now the spot light is on him. i don't think he will ever be an more than adequate in-blocker.
But i'm also thinking MM's system may not require the TE to be assigned to blocking DEs as the Garrett system was on several occasions
when it came to in-line blocking assignments and tasks. Blake is not really a TE but more so an H-Back.

i never considered HOF'er Shannon Sharpe as a true TE but more so an H-Back.
And i'm not sure Jarwin will ever be an elite TE, one that demands game-planning and scheme devising to stop for opposing teams best chance to win.
Those special TEs like Kelce, Ertz, etc.can regularly beat even the better coverage safeties and LBs in single one on one isolations.

Remains to be seen if jarwin can become that kind of TE. His best plays have been off play action or roll outs and oddly vs Giants defenses But could he
flat up beat the better coverage defenders on a regular basis ? or will he just be that B-Tier TE ?

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-Jarwin will not be the focus of any defense the Cowboys face, due to their other highly rated skilled positional players.
-He should receive favorable match-ups, that might change if he makes some plays.
-I agree, the TE position will vary between what Garrett wanted compared to MM
-WCO is more of a quick hitting scheme that favors a player like Jarwin, more so than a 2020 version of Jason Witten
-Jarwin will be given every opportunity to succeed this season, if he fails to breakthrough, they will look to upgrade the position.
-I believe a season like 600-700 yards with 5-6 TD's would be an successful season with this talented group of offensive weapons

ConstantReboot said:

Thus I don't buy into the bull that players like Jarwin can't learn how to block. Jarwin is bigger than Kittle and Engram. So there was no reason for our coaching staff not to train him on blocking mechanics.

I believe is the philosophy that Garrett brought to Dallas. He didn't really train them on blocking mechanics because he doesn't know how to coach. Worst coach in Cowboys history.

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-Garrett and MM may use the TE position differently. Everything for Garrett was based off the ground attack, thus having a strong run blocker was a requirement.