Video: Jesse Holley totally destroys Jason Garrett and exposes him even further!

kskboys · May 18, 2020

johneric8 said:
Football is my one hobby and cowboys have been my team for a long time.

Having to watch an incapable coach force fed to us by a stubborn and prideful owner has been beyond tough to stomach.

To suggest that we should simply stop whining about the Garrett situation is short-sighted.

This wasn't all on Garrett, in fact it was mostly on Jerry for putting this fan base in this situation, and this is what was so darn frustrating about the situation.

If you look at the amount of likes my post got and the sheer traffic that it has accumulated, I would say it was more that worthy of being a topic of discussion, but thanks for your ever so gifted and astute psychoanalysis.

To add, it's very very strange when a poster feels the need to tell others what to do. Someone wants to complain about something(Not me, like ever!!), why does it bother someone? Don't read it.

kskboys · May 18, 2020

Idgit said:
Thanks for the advice. I’ll let you know when I come across an issue I don’t consider to be manufactured. There are several of them out there, and I agree that there were issues. He was far from perfect. But that’s not really what this thread was about, right?

I agree that @Bobhaze and Beware are excellent posters. There are a ton of guys who don’t like things about the team but who still manage to discuss those issues constructively. Guys who put a ton of work into original content. Then there are also a lot more drive-by posts and emphatic opinions that just don’t hold up to any scrutiny whatsoever. I probably don’t need to tell you which types of posts are easier to make me have a lower threshold for posting.

Excellent reply. We're in agreement.

gjkoeppen · May 18, 2020

johneric8 said:
Football is my one hobby and cowboys have been my team for a long time.
Having to watch an incapable coach force fed to us by a stubborn and prideful owner has been beyond tough to stomach.
To suggest that we should simply stop whining about the Garrett situation is short-sighted.
This wasn't all on Garrett, in fact it was mostly on Jerry for putting this fan base in this situation, and this is what was so darn frustrating about the situation.
If you look at the amount of likes my post got and the sheer traffic that it has accumulated, I would say it was more that worthy of being a topic of discussion, but thanks for your ever so gifted and astute psychoanalysis.

Tell me do you still or have you ever whined about Tom Landry's last 3 years? Yes Landry was great but his last 3 years were terrible. It never ceases to amaze me how many different reasons fans here say the problems have been. Some say Jones, some say Garrett, some say Prescott. So because some fans here just can't let go of something that has no baring on the Cowboys anymore it all right to continue an obsession? Instead of dwelling on the negative why not go to positives like discussing great teams, games and plays. The Cowboys have a long history of those instead of dwelling on past negative history.
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Idgit · May 18, 2020

Bobhaze said:
He didn’t win enough of the big ones. It’s that simple. I’ve said many times that Garrett did some good things here- he influenced Jerry to make this team more focused on younger talent.

But if after 5 seasons, if you have qualified for the playoffs one time (2011-2015), it’s time to move on. Accepting his performance year after year IMO set this organization back.

I’ve always agreed with that. Although I don’t think what held us back from winning big ones was the coaching. But he didn’t deliver in a contract year and the team has stopped progressing. It was time for a change.

My issue is only that I’ve never believed he was a bad coach. I think McCarthy is similarly a good coach, and I don’t think he’s going to be able to address the actual issues in Dallas, either. But he’ll get blamed for it, too, and then replaced himself.

Stash · May 18, 2020

johneric8 said:
Football is my one hobby and cowboys have been my team for a long time.

Having to watch an incapable coach force fed to us by a stubborn and prideful owner has been beyond tough to stomach.

To suggest that we should simply stop whining about the Garrett situation is short-sighted.

This wasn't all on Garrett, in fact it was mostly on Jerry for putting this fan base in this situation, and this is what was so darn frustrating about the situation.

If you look at the amount of likes my post got and the sheer traffic that it has accumulated, I would say it was more that worthy of being a topic of discussion, but thanks for your ever so gifted and astute psychoanalysis.

Stash · May 18, 2020

OmerV said:
Short sighted? Okay, so what's the long term benefit that we are missing if we quit whining about Garrett?

Is there is something left to accomplish by whining about Garrett? Some problem that whining about Garrett will solve? Something new to say about Garrett that hasn't been said before and that will improve the current team?

If the answer to those questions is no, then where is the short sightedness?

I don't know, the horse seems pretty dead to me. I don't think he'll be hopping up and trotting around The Star anymore.

It clearly still bothers some people to see it brought up.

Stash · May 18, 2020

kskboys said:
To add, it's very very strange when a poster feels the need to tell others what to do. Someone wants to complain about something(Not me, like ever!!), why does it bother someone? Don't read it.

These are the people that want to try to control the narrative. To censor what is and isn't being talked about, because it damages their fragile sensibilities. If this was talk about great things that happened in the past for this team, they would be out in front waving their pom-poms. But because it brings up bad memories of them getting it wrong, they don't like that.

Too bad for them.

Bobhaze · May 18, 2020

Idgit said:
I’ve always agreed with that. Although I don’t think what held us back from winning big ones was the coaching. But he didn’t deliver in a contract year and the team has stopped progressing. It was time for a change.

My issue is only that I’ve never believed he was a bad coach. I think McCarthy is similarly a good coach, and I don’t think he’s going to be able to address the actual issues in Dallas, either. But he’ll get blamed for it, too, and then replaced himself.

It will be interesting how it goes with Big Mike. He should have 3-5 years. If we haven’t at least made an NFC championship, it will be time to move on.

OmerV · May 18, 2020

stasheroo said:
It clearly still bothers some people to see it brought up.

Well, there are only so many times and so many ways to say Garrett sucks, but there was at least still relevance when he was the head coach. Now there really is no point in it. He is no longer a thorn in the side of the team. Now, if we could find a way to remove the thorn that is Jerry Jones ...

Stash · May 18, 2020

OmerV said:
Well, there are only so many times and so many ways to say Garrett sucks, but there was at least still relevance when he was the head coach. Now there really is no point in it. He is no longer a thorn in the side of the team. Now, if we could find a way to remove the thorn that is Jerry Jones ...

It's clearly a topic that many still want to discuss. More power to 'em. They had to deal with the disappointment and incompetence for over a decade. They've earned the right to vent.

OmerV · May 18, 2020

stasheroo said:
It's clearly a topic that many still want to discuss. More power to 'em. They had to deal with the disappointment and incompetence for over a decade. They've earned the right to vent.

lol, I guess so, but I don't know that obsession is really a good thing for people. We all have to move on sometime.

cowboyblue22 · May 18, 2020

Bobhaze said:
It will be interesting how it goes with Big Mike. He should have 3-5 years. If we haven’t at least made an NFC championship, it will be time to move on.

i think big mike will take the team farther in the playoffs than garrett ever did and I think he will do it much quicker I think he is being given much more latitude in running the team than garrett was I just think he is a much better coach and his staff is way better than what garrett had here

Stash · May 18, 2020

OmerV said:
lol, I guess so, but I don't know that obsession is really a good thing for people. We all have to move on sometime.

It would be "obsession" if that was all they were talking about.

Dre11 · May 18, 2020

CATCH17 said:
A smart player, especially under contract, is going to give the company line.

Garrett sucked. Just admit how wrong you were.

lol....hes not here being under contract doesn't mean anything when he's gone, just admit it's not this drastic exaggerated drama you think it is.

Dre11 · May 18, 2020

birdwells1 said:
Why did he get fired if he's so good?

that means what. didn't McCarthy get fired , is he no good? he was an average coach, average to good coaches get fired all the time.

Dre11 · May 18, 2020

johneric8 said:
You simply don't get it. It was definitely an interview worth watching if your a fan of the cowboys hence the reason I posted it. we sit on these forums and talk amoungst ourselves about every facet of our team and this interview does provide some food for thought.

lol..thats always your go to, as if these players can't speak their minds, especially when he's gone, it just goes to show Holley don't have the insight into that lockeroom that he thinks he has.

In regards to current players sticking up for garrett, well what do you expect them to do? I've met Garrett myself personally and while it was brief, I thought he did indeed come off phoney and not the kind of guy you would want to have a beer with .....

Kaiser · May 18, 2020

Bobhaze said:
He didn’t win enough of the big ones. It’s that simple. I’ve said many times that Garrett did some good things here- he influenced Jerry to make this team more focused on younger talent.

But if after 5 seasons, if you have qualified for the playoffs one time (2011-2015), it’s time to move on. Accepting his performance year after year IMO set this organization back.

But the team steadily improved while he was here, until they were one of the more talented (and young) teams in the league. There is certainly the argument that he didn't get over the hump in the playoffs but to me the reason to fire him was that the team quit for the Buffalo and Chicago games last year instead of playing hard throughout.

_sturt_ · May 18, 2020

cern said:
Letting Garrett leave was best for the cowboys.

I'm not sure, but it sounds like you're under the mistaken impression that I disagree with that statement. But it is most definitely mistaken. I'm among the many who said after losing to the Rams in 2018 post season that Red had to at least make the NFC championship game in 2019 to maybe keep his job.

I never walked that back, even though I also... in the interest of balance... acknowledged that if Jerry really wanted to do right by Red, he would have allowed Red to have Parcells-like control in his final year, so that there could be no argument that Red owned the success or that Red owned the failure.

Instead, as Aikman correctly observed, there's a lot of ambiguity because Red's voice and authority were so routinely confounded by what the owner was saying or doing.

But then, if Red was that disturbed by how Jerry imposed himself into the equation that last year, he had no one but himself to blame, given that he probably could have, and arguably should have, drawn a line in the sand after the Rams game loss. Everyone was excited for what 2019 would look like, given a full year of Amare, given how strong the defense had at times shown itself to be. So, after Red had just told the media he wasn't anticipating any major changes in the coaching staff, then, only to learn that same day that Jerry evidently had a different frame of mind??? Red would have been completely justified to walk in to the room and say, "Mr. Jones, I respect your reasons for not wanting to talk about an extension yet, but I must stand up for myself and demand that, in turn, you respect my reasons for expecting that I will succeed or fail mainly on the basis of decisions I make, not anyone else, and that begins with my decisions pertaining to the coaching staff for next season. If you have a problem with that, then I have to respectfully ask that we talk about a mutually-agreeable separation."

Again. Because he didn't evidently do anything like that, he has no one but himself to blame. A favorite "Dr. Phil-ism" comes to mind... we teach others how we will allow ourselves to be treated. Garrett taught Jerry how he will allow himself to be treated, and seemingly paid a price for that.

Dre11 · May 18, 2020

Qcard said:
Of course players change...dummy. But in this case Romo was changing plays because Garrett's offense VANILLA....did you even listen to podcast...if you don't understand the difference then this is an exercise in stupidity.

I don't need to listen to it, I've heard Jesse Numerous times with his Bs, I listen to the show he and Nate Newton on every week. I also listen to other former players Barry Church and McCray who was here far longer than Holley, who have a totally different view on the players lounge. Jesse's a hack .

Heath Gone - players knew he only started because Garrett's guy and not best safety

Ware loved Garrett so much he refused a team friendly extension

lol youre wrong again, just stop talking

"The question was with the salary cap stuff and everything, would you be able to maneuver some things in your contract. I said I’ll do what I need to do to help the team out. It’s nothing new to me. But pay cut and restructure are two different things. You hear what I’m saying. Clar-i-fy." - DeMarcus Ware

In fact, Dye says that the Cowboys never made any offer to Ware, instead allowing the 31-year-old to explore the open market.

“Both [Jerry and Stephen Jones] made it clear — rather than us insult you with a proposal, why don’t y’all do your due diligence and see what the rest of the world thinks your market value is.”

https://dfw.cbslocal.com/2014/03/13/agent-the-truth-behind-wares-exit-from-cowboys/

Witten Gone - Last year team ignored leadership because of average play

What does that have to do with anything...getting dummer by the post

Lee Injured, good guy but liability currently
again, what wth does that have to do with how he feel...lol

Of course the team respected Garrett as s man but Head Coach....TRASH

dummy, and change plays because it's their job, you have no proof he change anything based on the vanilla of the play, or because the defense adjusted, dummy.

OmerV · May 18, 2020

stasheroo said:
It would be "obsession" if that was all they were talking about.

Stalkers do other things when they aren't stalking. lol

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