Twitter: Fish: Dak wants $45m in 5th year

OmerV

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Hate to stir the pot, but he might not even be a good starter in 5 years.
Hope he is, but that is not a lock.
Agreed on that, but it seems the Cowboys feel he will be since they want the longer deal.
 

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Stop thinking of it as a 5 year deal. It's their agreed upon 4 year deal with a fake 1/$45m option purely for 5th year of proration. Let me do a quick breakdown.

Let's use a 4 year $140 million base contract with a $113 million guaranteed $60 million signing bonus. As a 4 year contract, it could break down as follows:

Year 1 - $15m SB proration + $10m salary = $25m cap hit
Year 2 - $15m SB proration + $20m salary = $35m cap hit
Year 3 - $15m SB proration + $23m salary = $38m cap hit
Year 4 - $15m SB proration + $27m salary = $42m cap hit

Now if we take the same 4/140 and just add a fake year at $45 million dollars turns it to 5/185 with the same $60m bonus and $113m guaranteed. If that's the case, then the Cowboys could simply add a 5th year to their agreed upon 4 year deal that automatically voids on the first day of 2024. Dak gets his 4 year deal, Dalls gets their 5th proration year, and neither side can use the 5th year as leverage.

Year 1 - $12m SB proration + $10m salary = $22m cap hit
Year 2 - $12m SB proration + $20m salary = $32m cap hit
Year 3 - $12m SB proration + $23m salary = $35m cap hit
Year 4 - $12m SB proration + $27m salary = $39m cap hit
Year 5 - $12m SB proration + $45m salary = $57m cap hit

Dak gets the same $140 million dollars over 4 years and $113 millon guaranteed over 3 years. The only difference is the Cowboys get an additional $12 million in cap space over those 4 years with the same flexibility to exten or cut him after 3 years when his guarantees run out.

Now if he demands more guaranteed money on top of the $45 million dollar 5th year, then that's a different argument. If that's the case, the Cowboys could simply do what I've been


Someone that gets it.
 

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Just do the 4 year deal for the lowest he will accept and spend the next 4 years getting someone else ready to take over. If they are ready in 2 years, trade Dak and be done with his foolishness. The last thing I would do is let him put me through this a 2nd time which he has already signaled he intends to do. If he gets us to the superbowl in the next 4 years and is still playing at a peak level, then I'll gladly give him the going rate in 4 years. The problem right now is he isn't doing that yet wants to be paid like he is. The team is in a tough spot unless they are willing to go with Dalton. I say get it done with the intention of developing someone else and having them ready to go ASAP so that you can trade Dak or simply let him walk
some one else? like who? someone like Quincy carter? or chad Hutchinson? or a really old vinny testerverde? or really old Bledsoe?

oh, yeah, I forgot, I will just call 1-800-NEEDQB they have a list of all great starting QBs we can just order one online and get it shipped in 2 days!
 

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Correct, also known as fair
When I think of "fair" I think of Dak leaving some cap room for the team to add talent around him.

This is Dak monopolizing on his opportunity regardless of the long-term consequences to the roster.

I don't blame him, I just wouldn't call it being fair.
 

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It looks like a new demand but I don't think it is. I don't think Prescott wanted anything beyond a 4 year deal and they've been stuck with trying to get more because they don't want to be back here in 4 years. If this is true that he wants 45M, I think his agent fired back what it will take for that 5th year and it's all about the guarantee that also got adjusted.

Chris, don't get pissed at Prescott. He's not the one using the media to negotiate. Under normal circumstances and not this clown act of the Joneses, we wouldn't even know what's going on behind that curtain. It would be quiet and then a deal would be announced but they can't stop trying to dominate any NFL news they can.

But he absolutely knew who he was hiring to represent him and he fully well knew who and what he was. I have come to terms with what this meant because I knew what all of this would come down to the minute I heard it would be CAA. But I can't blame anybody for being pissed with Prescott to be honest.
 

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well, actually the cap hit will be larger, although the salary ask is 45. the cap hit will be 1/5 of bonus that's paid up front + 45.

Yea, if it's salary, which does make sense, it will be a higher cap hit. The next question is how much signing bonus to re-sign him. Wentz and Goff didn't have big signing bonuses compared to Wilson for example.
 

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Stop thinking of it as a 5 year deal. It's their agreed upon 4 year deal with a fake 1/$45m option purely for 5th year of proration. Let me do a quick breakdown.

Let's use a 4 year $140 million base contract with a $113 million guaranteed $60 million signing bonus. As a 4 year contract, it could break down as follows:

Year 1 - $15m SB proration + $10m salary = $25m cap hit
Year 2 - $15m SB proration + $20m salary = $35m cap hit
Year 3 - $15m SB proration + $23m salary = $38m cap hit
Year 4 - $15m SB proration + $27m salary = $42m cap hit

Now if we take the same 4/140 and just add a fake year at $45 million dollars turns it to 5/185 with the same $60m bonus and $113m guaranteed.

Year 1 - $12m SB proration + $10m salary = $22m cap hit
Year 2 - $12m SB proration + $20m salary = $32m cap hit
Year 3 - $12m SB proration + $23m salary = $35m cap hit
Year 4 - $12m SB proration + $27m salary = $39m cap hit
Year 5 - $12m SB proration + $45m salary = $57m cap hit

Dak gets the same $140 million dollars over 4 years and $113 millon guaranteed over 3 years. The only difference is the Cowboys get an additional $12 million in cap space over those 4 years with the same flexibility to exten or cut him after 3 years when his guarantees run out.

Now if he demands more guaranteed money on top of the $45 million dollar 5th year, then that's a different argument. If that's the case, the Cowboys could simply do what I've been arguing for all along; add a 5th year to their agreed upon 4 year deal that automatically voids on the first day of 2024. Dak gets his 4 year deal, Dalls gets their 5th proration year, and neither side can use the 5th year as leverage.


If this were the deal, this deal would have been done in 5 minutes. Come on now.........
 

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But by doing that, Dak is putting Dallas in a bind. If they give him that $45MM base salary in year 5 (that largely will not be guaranteed at inception), when Year 5 comes they have a dilemma.

- They could cut him to save the cap space but then would they do that if Dak is really good?

- They could restructure or extend but 1) Dak would have zero reason to extend because he's set to make $45MM in one season and then try to rake them over the coals in a new deal again 2) the Cowboys would have to drop their pants likely even more to get Dak to extend.

So the agents saying we will give you the 5th year at a ridiculous base salary (or roster bonus and base salary) is not much different than demanding a 4th year contract. Frankly, a 5th year at $45MM is even a better gig for Dak than a 4 year contract.
Dak incentive to restructure would be the next large contract, and if he has done well, then 45 is not out of the question and he gets an extension and boat load of money...if he has done well, then dallas would want to keep him anyway....
 

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Reach for the stars and you may land on the moon with more guarantee money or larger 5th year salary.

This deal is so done, it is ridiculous for the Jones' to drag the inevitable out this long. Bad look on Jerry "Dumbo GM" Jones' part dealing with a 4 year QB that was rookie of the year, 3 time pro bowler, 2 time NFC East Champion, best regular season in franchise history as a rookie, and was 5 yards short of a single season passing record that his beloved Romo took 9 seasons to get.

With the NFL making dumb minority diversity incentives like draft picks for hiring minorities, this makes you wonder still about the NFL QB position, GM position, and Head Coach position for African Americans. What is it that you do not like about a young winning QB that is the unquestioned team leader being the face of your NFL franchise for America's Team?

Nothing about this negotiation makes sense. NFL contracts are not guaranteed. In fact some guaranteed money is not guaranteed. So who cares that he wants $45M, $145M, or $45 in the 5th year. This is the biggest constipated load I have seen since 3 days in a row at the all you can eat Chinese buffet.
 

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If there are no guarantees left in that fifth year other than a portion of his signing bonus, Dallas can make it $50 million for all I care.

All either number does is iesure Dallas will either renegotiate or cut him. This is about what I've been saying the deal would look like. The total guaranteed would be the number to watch.


Which is what tell you that this is not what they are likely asking for.
 

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I see a QB who now refuses to use his legs as a weapon, and could not hit The Clapping Carrot in the hands playing catch from 15 yards. That is what this expert sees. ***Insert cocky Barney Fife sneer***
 

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When I think of "fair" I think of Dak leaving some cap room for the team to add talent around him.

This is Dak monopolizing on his opportunity regardless of the long-term consequences to the roster.

I don't blame him, I just wouldn't call it being fair.

Maybe Dak doesn't think this front office can win a championship. They've proven to be inept, he just wants to get as much as he can get and call it a day.

Fans don't think Dak can win a ring. Maybe dak doesn't think Jerry can win a ring with a cap
 

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Maybe Dak doesn't think this front office can win a championship. They've proven to be inept, he just wants to get as much as he can get and call it a day.

Fans don't think Dak can win a ring. Maybe dak doesn't think Jerry can win a ring with a cap
Possibly.


Dak seems incredibly optimistic though. I would bet against him thinking that.
 

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Dak incentive to restructure would be the next large contract, and if he has done well, then 45 is not out of the question and he gets an extension and boat load of money...if he has done well, then dallas would want to keep him anyway....

Why would Dak want to throw away what would essentially be $45MM or more in a guaranteed pay day that year? He wouldn't. Because if he gets this structure, he'd bank $45MM in cash in that 5th year and then sign a new deal the next year with a boatload in a new signing bonus. If he were to restructure in that Year 5, he would likely not come close to banking in cash, what he would in those two years if he played out the 5th year on a ridiculously high base salary.
 

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Yep, I would love to believe in Dak but he just did not pull out any games last year from the jaws of defeat. He pretty much shrunk with the opportunity. Could you win a SuperBowl with him - maybe, but I seriously doubt that it would be because of him so I would not put 100 million guaranteed in him!
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