Prescott or Dalton: Who do you want starting

Who do you want starting


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TheSkaven

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Look, I’d like to see Dak under McCarthy for a year under the franchise tag and postpone this decision to next season. But if you immediately disregard Dalton as being in the same league then you’re just not being objective.

Forget the stats, that’s apples to oranges. This is apples to apples (let’s just look at 2019):

Running backs
Dak had Zeke Elliott
Dalton had Joe Mixon

Wide Receivers
Dak had Cooper, Cobb and Gallup
Dalton had Boyd, Erickson (who?) and Tate
(Not the Tate of the Golden variety)

Tight Ends
Dak had Witten and Jarwin
Dalton had Uzomah and Eifert (for 4 games)

Offensive Line
Dak: T.Smith, Martin, Frederick, C.Will, Collins
Dalton; A crap show of different bodies subbed in throughout the season.

If you’re going to take the time to post here, take the time to educate yourself: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sp...e-line-bad-drafts-luck-blame-woes/3846113002/

I’ll give you the cliff notes, the first paragraph:

“Andy Dalton was bull-rushed. He was speed rushed. He was chased. He was hurried. And he was hit again and again.”

To the crowd who is dogging Dalton over his completion percentage: how do you think Dak would have done in Cincy under those circumstances?

When he essentially had the same team that he has now but without Cooper: 128 of 206 (62.1% passing) and a 3-4 record.

Now take Cooper, Cobb and Gallup away and give him Boyd and two guys off the street and let him run for his life behind that offensive line.

THAT, is apples to apples.
 

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There are several fans that had rather see Dalton starting. He is much cheaper and there is not much difference in talent. It is an easy decision if you are wanting what’s best for the team instead of Dak.
Starting a below average QB because he costs less is not what is best for a team that is in win now mode.
 

Northern_Cowboy

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dalton could wow everyone, and dak struggle, and come game 1 jones boys would say start dak.

Your probably right but there there is a chance for Dalton if Dak goes into camp playing on the franchise tag, if that happens i think all bets are off. Dak on a long term deal starts even if it's clear he was outplayed in camp because who signs a guy to a 175m deal and then doesn't start him. We will know alot about the Cowboys thoughts should they let Dak go into camp playing on the tag
 

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Doesn't matter. Either of them will take us to the same place.
 

G2

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Look, I’d like to see Dak under McCarthy for a year under the franchise tag and postpone this decision to next season. But if you immediately disregard Dalton as being in the same league then you’re just not being objective.

Forget the stats, that’s apples to oranges. This is apples to apples (let’s just look at 2019):

Running backs
Dak had Zeke Elliott
Dalton had Joe Mixon

Wide Receivers
Dak had Cooper, Cobb and Gallup
Dalton had Boyd, Erickson (who?) and Tate
(Not the Tate of the Golden variety)

Tight Ends
Dak had Witten and Jarwin
Dalton had Uzomah and Eifert (for 4 games)

Offensive Line
Dak: T.Smith, Martin, Frederick, C.Will, Collins
Dalton; A crap show of different bodies subbed in throughout the season.

If you’re going to take the time to post here, take the time to educate yourself: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sp...e-line-bad-drafts-luck-blame-woes/3846113002/

I’ll give you the cliff notes, the first paragraph:

“Andy Dalton was bull-rushed. He was speed rushed. He was chased. He was hurried. And he was hit again and again.”

To the crowd who is dogging Dalton over his completion percentage: how do you think Dak would have done in Cincy under those circumstances?

When he essentially had the same team that he has now but without Cooper: 128 of 206 (62.1% passing) and a 3-4 record.

Now take Cooper, Cobb and Gallup away and give him Boyd and two guys off the street and let him run for his life behind that offensive line.

THAT, is apples to apples.
Not really apples to apples unless you compare the first 4 seasons. Dalton is past his prime.
 

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Dalton spent his career under a coach similar to JG, and he never had a good run game or good defense.
I think Dalton might be a lot better with our offense and with MM running the show.
Also he will be more inspired to play here for cowboys than with the bengals.

About competition for the job, that will be hard with the jones boys running things.
If dak signs contract dalton will never play unless dak gets hurt.
if dak plays on franchise tag he will still start if he goes to TC.
If he doesnt go to TC or threatens to not play then dalton might get the start at beginning of season.

The jones boys have anointed dak as a great qb, and are eager to pay him 35 mil a year :omg: lol.
Dak is not thinking about winning SB's , he is at home with a calculator adding up how many millions he can make in the next 8 years. :thumbdown:
He talks about wanting to be the best cowboys qb ever, or even the best in nfl ever ! :huh: but what I see is a guy thinking more about
maximizing the amount of money he can make, not being the best or winning SB's.
I think it has all gone to his head.

I would rather have a cheaper qb as a bus driver, and build a great defense. It worked for denver, even though they had overpaid for manning,
who wound up a bus driver.
You guys need to give up this notion that today's players are all about the team. They are all (with few exceptions) about making as much money as they can to take care of themselves and their families for generations to come. For the most part, teams are not loyal to the players, why should the players be loyal and accept below market contracts when their employer can release them at any time? In your job do you take less than market for your position? Or do you find a job that maximizes your earnings?
 

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Look, I’d like to see Dak under McCarthy for a year under the franchise tag and postpone this decision to next season. But if you immediately disregard Dalton as being in the same league then you’re just not being objective.

Forget the stats, that’s apples to oranges. This is apples to apples (let’s just look at 2019):

Running backs
Dak had Zeke Elliott
Dalton had Joe Mixon

Wide Receivers
Dak had Cooper, Cobb and Gallup
Dalton had Boyd, Erickson (who?) and Tate
(Not the Tate of the Golden variety)

Tight Ends
Dak had Witten and Jarwin
Dalton had Uzomah and Eifert (for 4 games)

Offensive Line
Dak: T.Smith, Martin, Frederick, C.Will, Collins
Dalton; A crap show of different bodies subbed in throughout the season.

If you’re going to take the time to post here, take the time to educate yourself: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sp...e-line-bad-drafts-luck-blame-woes/3846113002/

I’ll give you the cliff notes, the first paragraph:

“Andy Dalton was bull-rushed. He was speed rushed. He was chased. He was hurried. And he was hit again and again.”

To the crowd who is dogging Dalton over his completion percentage: how do you think Dak would have done in Cincy under those circumstances?

When he essentially had the same team that he has now but without Cooper: 128 of 206 (62.1% passing) and a 3-4 record.

Now take Cooper, Cobb and Gallup away and give him Boyd and two guys off the street and let him run for his life behind that offensive line.

THAT, is apples to apples.
LOL nice try! Too bad your dishonesty got the best of you.

Dak didn’t have Witten or Cobb in 2018, and Gallup was a rookie in 2018 who made a huge leap in 2019.

“DURRRRR SAME TEAM MINUS COOPER!!”

Nope.

Dak went 3-4 with average stats until Cooper showed up. Dalton was 2-11 last season with terrible stats.

I’m so sorry that you took the time to skew reality and still fell flat on your face. Dak’s easily better than Dalton, hence their salaries.
:thumbup:
 

Super_Kazuya

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LOL nice try! Too bad your dishonesty got the best of you.

Dak didn’t have Witten or Cobb in 2018, and Gallup was a rookie in 2018 who made a huge leap in 2019.

“DURRRRR SAME TEAM MINUS COOPER!!”

Nope.

Dak went 3-4 with average stats until Cooper showed up. Dalton was 2-11 last season with terrible stats.

I’m so sorry that you took the time to skew reality and still fell flat on your face.
:thumbup:
Imagine being so demented, you thought this was a sensible reply. :laugh:
This troll is cracking up, he’s backed down from the “Dak will sign a huge deal and you will cry” rhetoric because his bottom lip is quivering in fear, everyone is laughing at him being wrong every day. That means all that’s left is for him to supply drivel like this and get banned every other day. lol
 

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Look, I’d like to see Dak under McCarthy for a year under the franchise tag and postpone this decision to next season. But if you immediately disregard Dalton as being in the same league then you’re just not being objective.

Forget the stats, that’s apples to oranges. This is apples to apples (let’s just look at 2019):

Running backs
Dak had Zeke Elliott
Dalton had Joe Mixon

Wide Receivers
Dak had Cooper, Cobb and Gallup
Dalton had Boyd, Erickson (who?) and Tate
(Not the Tate of the Golden variety)

Tight Ends
Dak had Witten and Jarwin
Dalton had Uzomah and Eifert (for 4 games)

Offensive Line
Dak: T.Smith, Martin, Frederick, C.Will, Collins
Dalton; A crap show of different bodies subbed in throughout the season.

If you’re going to take the time to post here, take the time to educate yourself: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sp...e-line-bad-drafts-luck-blame-woes/3846113002/

I’ll give you the cliff notes, the first paragraph:

“Andy Dalton was bull-rushed. He was speed rushed. He was chased. He was hurried. And he was hit again and again.”

To the crowd who is dogging Dalton over his completion percentage: how do you think Dak would have done in Cincy under those circumstances?

When he essentially had the same team that he has now but without Cooper: 128 of 206 (62.1% passing) and a 3-4 record.

Now take Cooper, Cobb and Gallup away and give him Boyd and two guys off the street and let him run for his life behind that offensive line.

THAT, is apples to apples.
Stop making sense.
 

Reverend Conehead

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Prescott, but that is IF they sign him for a contract where the money works. I would rather start Dalton than overpay Prescott and be salary-cap hamstrung.
 

School

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A vote for Dalton means a vote for a 32-year old qb that:

Doesn't take on tough throws.

Isn't capable of hitting tight windows consistently.

Can't throw receivers open with precision and timing.

Runs out of clean pockets instead of hanging in til the last moment.

Struggles when forced to speed up his process and decision making due to pressure.

Doesn't mitigate pressure with his movement in the pocket.

Too often throws inaccurate passes from clean pockets.

Doesn't confidently deliver the ball in condensed pockets a la Philip Rivers.

Has always had problems throwing deep despite AJ Green offering a huge margin for error.

Is constantly confused by adjustments after the snap.

Is virtually wholly reliant on his pre-snap read to diagnose a defense.

Has never had the mindset to push the ball downfield.

Has poor processing in the pocket and poor mechanics under pressure, which put him in positions where he's susceptible to dangerous throws.

Gives you the worst traits of both a game manager and a gunslinger without the benefits.

^ *Eye test approved.
 

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Look, I’d like to see Dak under McCarthy for a year under the franchise tag and postpone this decision to next season. But if you immediately disregard Dalton as being in the same league then you’re just not being objective.

Forget the stats, that’s apples to oranges. This is apples to apples (let’s just look at 2019):

Running backs
Dak had Zeke Elliott
Dalton had Joe Mixon

Wide Receivers
Dak had Cooper, Cobb and Gallup
Dalton had Boyd, Erickson (who?) and Tate
(Not the Tate of the Golden variety)

Tight Ends
Dak had Witten and Jarwin
Dalton had Uzomah and Eifert (for 4 games)

Offensive Line
Dak: T.Smith, Martin, Frederick, C.Will, Collins
Dalton; A crap show of different bodies subbed in throughout the season.

If you’re going to take the time to post here, take the time to educate yourself: https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sp...e-line-bad-drafts-luck-blame-woes/3846113002/

I’ll give you the cliff notes, the first paragraph:

“Andy Dalton was bull-rushed. He was speed rushed. He was chased. He was hurried. And he was hit again and again.”

To the crowd who is dogging Dalton over his completion percentage: how do you think Dak would have done in Cincy under those circumstances?

When he essentially had the same team that he has now but without Cooper: 128 of 206 (62.1% passing) and a 3-4 record.

Now take Cooper, Cobb and Gallup away and give him Boyd and two guys off the street and let him run for his life behind that offensive line.

THAT, is apples to apples.
Thanks for a good read, I am with you on the lets see what a year with MM on the tag brings. I do not see the 29 million dollars of difference from Dalton to Dak. 1 year or bust......
 

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Starting and paying Dak for the next four years is not going to hinder our cap as much as some think. So here's a question for those that want Dalton to start.



What's your four year plan at QB?

 

StuckMojo

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I voted for Dak, but Im betting those voting for Dalton are thinking along these lines....though it wasn't included in the question.

Straight up Dak no doubt. But I don’t believe in the next man up should be paid the most. But I’m gonna pull hard for whoever is on the field wearing the Star!
 

Brax

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A vote for Dalton means a vote for a 32-year old qb that:

Doesn't take on tough throws.

Isn't capable of hitting tight windows consistently.

Can't throw receivers open with precision and timing.

Runs out of clean pockets instead of hanging in til the last moment.

Struggles when forced to speed up his process and decision making due to pressure.

Doesn't mitigate pressure with his movement in the pocket.

Too often throws inaccurate passes from clean pockets.

Doesn't confidently deliver the ball in condensed pockets a la Philip Rivers.

Has always had problems throwing deep despite AJ Green offering a huge margin for error.

Is constantly confused by adjustments after the snap.

Is virtually wholly reliant on his pre-snap read to diagnose a defense.

Has never had the mindset to push the ball downfield.

Has poor processing in the pocket and poor mechanics under pressure, which put him in positions where he's susceptible to dangerous throws.

Gives you the worst traits of both a game manager and a gunslinger without the benefits.

^ *Eye test approved.
Take out Dalton and this could of been about Dak, I guess Dak really isn't worth 30 odd million more.
 

DFWJC

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Straight up Dak no doubt. But I don’t believe in the next man up should be paid the most. But I’m gonna pull hard for whoever is on the field wearing the Star!
If we wanted to know who voters would select if cap was taken out of the equation, I wish he would've clearly said that.
Right now, I think most of the Dalton votes are not saying they think he's better att his late stage, but that, long term cap-wise, it’s better for the team.

I took Dak anyway.
 
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